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Nice strawman you're building there.
When the US starts applying electrical shock to testicles you may have a point. But until then you have nothing.
My, you really do set the bar pretty low don't you?
Anything less than electric shock to the testicles is not torture. As long as there are no marks afterwards, we can do what we want. These are not really people that we torture.....they are terrorists and they deserve it. If we can save lives, torture is justified
The same excuses have been used by those committing torture for centuries
America should be above all that......we used to be
Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
Would you consider any one of the following torture.
- Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
- The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.
Bachmann? she's the one that god told her to run?
You're not going to erase your shame by lashing out, Swallow (although you might consider spitting out once in a while). Go and educate yourself if you want to avoid further embarrassment.
Have you ever been waterboarded? It really does feel like you are going to drown but its not that bad...at least after there are no lasting physical effects is what I mean by not that bad.
Whether waterboarding "is" torture or not really is not the important question. At the very least, it's meant to simulate torture, right? So then, the fact remains that such methods are NOT effective for obtaining information. Torture, nor anything designed to simulate it, is most likely to get a person to say whatever they think you want to hear in order to get you to stop. The Pope would "confess" to being an atheist if you waterboarded him enough.
Yep...the defining moment to me was when John McCain flat declared that it is torture. That man should know what he's talking about. A war hero in the Republican party these days is as rare as a 30 ct diamond. Come to think of it war heroes in either party have gotten to be as rare as hen's teeth. I guess when the rich folks stopped going to war the picture changed.
Yes i've been hit in the head with a bat along with waterboarded.
I would consider hitting someone with a bat to get information far more torture than waterboarding.....cracked skull, bruising, cuts, concussion, death all can/do result from batting someone in the head, waterboarding on the other hand leaves no physical damage.
I'm sure getting hit in the eye with a tire iron and being stabbed are just as bad if not worse than the bat thing.
^^^^^ to this post. I agree with Bachmann and only if there is a strongly suspected reason to do so.
I do not take issue with our military using waterboarding on enemy combatants. I personally volunteered to be waterboarded in the past, to find out what it was like....
^^^^^ to this post. I agree with Bachmann and only if there is a strongly suspected reason to do so.
I do not take issue with our military using waterboarding on enemy combatants. I personally volunteered to be waterboarded in the past, to find out what it was like, and it is some seriously scary stuff....but it doesn't do any physical damage so I'm not as against it as I would be against say beating someone to get some info.
Bullshit.
Why hasn't Hannity followed through with his promise to be water boarded?I wonder if YOU would volunteer to prove she's wrong.That insane bitch. I wonder if she would volunteer for it to show her committment.
If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk.
Oh, wait, you're a liberal, never mind.
I loved how the audience cheered in support of water boarding
Only Paul and Huntsman had the guts to call it what it is......torture
Torture is subjective.
It sure is......those committing torture always find a way to claim the victim deserves it
"A decision by the University of Wyoming to name a new center for international students for former Vice President Dick Cheney is drawing criticism from people who say Cheney's support for the Iraq war and harsh interrogation techniques should disqualify him from the distinction."
My, you really do set the bar pretty low don't you?
Anything less than electric shock to the testicles is not torture. As long as there are no marks afterwards, we can do what we want. These are not really people that we torture.....they are terrorists and they deserve it. If we can save lives, torture is justified
The same excuses have been used by those committing torture for centuries
America should be above all that......we used to be
Nice try at putting words in my mouth.
Would you consider any one of the following torture.
- Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
- The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.
As a kid, I once saw a movie "Stalag 17"
In that movie, an American officer accused of espionage was forced to stand indefinitely and deprived of sleep by the wicked Nazis. American audiences were appalled that one of our soldiers would be treated that way.
Torture is subjective.
It sure is......those committing torture always find a way to claim the victim deserves it
Good liberal answer. Mere opinion and no evidence.
It sure is......those committing torture always find a way to claim the victim deserves it
Good liberal answer. Mere opinion and no evidence.That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh??
How unfortunate/inconvenient (actual) interrogators say....people, like him, are FULL O' SHIT!!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFO6velBOM]Countdown: "Matthew Alexander" on Torture - YouTube[/ame]
Torture is subjective.
It sure is......those committing torture always find a way to claim the victim deserves it....Especially if their home-state is legendary for it.....
"A decision by the University of Wyoming to name a new center for international students for former Vice President Dick Cheney is drawing criticism from people who say Cheney's support for the Iraq war and harsh interrogation techniques should disqualify him from the distinction."
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You ever been hit in the head with a bat? You ever been clocked in the eye with a tire iron? Ever been stabbed?
None of that really hurts all that much when it initially happens. So basically it's not effective torture.
Once again you condescendingly tell blacks they are incapable of knowing what is in their best interests
I guess Liberals are more concerned with the torture of Islamic terrorists than American troops, because I never heard them complaining when we were waterboarding our troops.
Liberals are so devout to their liberal religion, that they're willing to put themselves and other Americans at risk, if it makes for an opportunity to tells us how evil America is.
You are, of course, being deliberately illogical and dishonest. Typical.
Seems logical to me. This is the current US policy towards water boarding ..
"Waterboarding is torture. Its contrary to Americas traditions, its contrary to our ideals, its not who we are, its not how we operate, Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique."
The fact that candidates for the presidency of the united states would believe otherwise is an embarrassment to this great nation
Obama said it so it must be true.
And what case is that? That waterbaording is scary stuff but doesn't leave any physical damage? How does the video hurt that case?
Also, you need to phrase the question with a different premise if you want me to answer it, i'll help:
"Do the men we are interrogating have the same option?" I would hope not, if they did it wouldn't actually work.
Where do Conservatives get this definition of torture being "if you don't leave physical damage it is not torture"?
Does electric shock to the testicles leave physical damage? Does psychological damage mean anything?
Water boarding is against the principles that made this country a great nation. We should be ashamed that we actually have presidential candidates who support it
First off I'm a libertarian and by no means a social conservative.
Secondly, in my opinion, after having personally experienced waterboarding...
And yes, interrogations are supposed to psychologically drain people to a point that weakens their mind into releasing information.
Bachmann? she's the one that god told her to run?
