Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

That's not fair to future generations. However, they do have participation trophies and helicopter parents.

What does that mean?

 

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Bull shit. First off, "expunged" means different things in different states. It's a myth that when one turns 18 all the crimes they committed just disappear. That's all a fairy tail. As for raising the age to own a rifle or shotgun, I would only be good with that if the age to vote and join the military was raised to 21.

So your against Trumps proposal, right?

 

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Lol! How about stop letting violent criminals out? Why is it none of the lib stains will address this?

My OP was strictly about Trumps proposal. Why aren’t you addressing that and why are you bringing “Libs” into it?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

That's not fair to future generations. However, they do have participation trophies and helicopter parents.

What does that mean?

It means they are not as mature and disciplined as previous generations.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How's that worked out so far?

The El Paso shooter and the Ohio shooter were both mentally disturbed. The system and laws already in effect failed ..adding more / new laws when you can't enforce the old ones don't help.

Disarm law-abiding citizens, and you create 'sheep' for the 'wolves' - criminals who don't follow those laws - to slaughter.

The Red Flag laws have already been proven to be easily used to disarm Americans, as 1 citizen was raided, his guns taken, & WHEN he gets a court date he has to try to prove he is innocent despite the cops mistaking him for a convicted criminal.

There are no such thing as an 'assault weapon' - it is a made-up term spread to cause fear / outrage and support for stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Liberals / Democrats claim they are against gun violence and want to make America safer....by ignoring record-setting daily / weekly coo.Bing murder rates in cities like Chicago and Baltimore, where g and guns are used to kill Americans in far larger numbers than the occasional mass shooting. Instead, they wait for a shooting that works for their agenda and act quickly, while dead Americans still lie where they were killed, to make the most of the tragedy by manipulating public emotion.

You libs / Dems want to make America safer? Start with Chicago & Baltimore. When you succeed THERE, come show us your success and talk to us THEN.

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How's that worked out so far?

The El Paso shooter and the Ohio shooter were both mentally disturbed. The system and laws already in effect failed ..adding more / new laws when you can't enforce the old ones don't help.

Disarm law-abiding citizens, and you create 'sheep' for the 'wolves' - criminals who don't follow those laws - to slaughter.

The Red Flag laws have already been proven to be easily used to disarm Americans, as 1 citizen was raided, his guns taken, & WHEN he gets a court date he has to try to prove he is innocent despite the cops mistaking him for a convicted criminal.

There are no such thing as an 'assault weapon' - it is a made-up term spread to cause fear / outrage and support for stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Liberals / Democrats claim they are against gun violence and want to make America safer....by ignoring record-setting daily / weekly coo.Bing murder rates in cities like Chicago and Baltimore, where g and guns are used to kill Americans in far larger numbers than the occasional mass shooting. Instead, they wait for a shooting that works for their agenda and act quickly, while dead Americans still lie where they were killed, to make the most of the tragedy by manipulating public emotion.

You libs / Dems want to make America safer? Start with Chicago & Baltimore. When you succeed THERE, come show us your success and talk to us THEN.

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

 

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How's that worked out so far?

The El Paso shooter and the Ohio shooter were both mentally disturbed. The system and laws already in effect failed ..adding more / new laws when you can't enforce the old ones don't help.

Disarm law-abiding citizens, and you create 'sheep' for the 'wolves' - criminals who don't follow those laws - to slaughter.

The Red Flag laws have already been proven to be easily used to disarm Americans, as 1 citizen was raided, his guns taken, & WHEN he gets a court date he has to try to prove he is innocent despite the cops mistaking him for a convicted criminal.

There are no such thing as an 'assault weapon' - it is a made-up term spread to cause fear / outrage and support for stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Liberals / Democrats claim they are against gun violence and want to make America safer....by ignoring record-setting daily / weekly coo.Bing murder rates in cities like Chicago and Baltimore, where g and guns are used to kill Americans in far larger numbers than the occasional mass shooting. Instead, they wait for a shooting that works for their agenda and act quickly, while dead Americans still lie where they were killed, to make the most of the tragedy by manipulating public emotion.

You libs / Dems want to make America safer? Start with Chicago & Baltimore. When you succeed THERE, come show us your success and talk to us THEN.

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

 

[Marion Morrison]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How's that worked out so far?

The El Paso shooter and the Ohio shooter were both mentally disturbed. The system and laws already in effect failed ..adding more / new laws when you can't enforce the old ones don't help.

Disarm law-abiding citizens, and you create 'sheep' for the 'wolves' - criminals who don't follow those laws - to slaughter.

The Red Flag laws have already been proven to be easily used to disarm Americans, as 1 citizen was raided, his guns taken, & WHEN he gets a court date he has to try to prove he is innocent despite the cops mistaking him for a convicted criminal.

There are no such thing as an 'assault weapon' - it is a made-up term spread to cause fear / outrage and support for stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Liberals / Democrats claim they are against gun violence and want to make America safer....by ignoring record-setting daily / weekly coo.Bing murder rates in cities like Chicago and Baltimore, where g and guns are used to kill Americans in far larger numbers than the occasional mass shooting. Instead, they wait for a shooting that works for their agenda and act quickly, while dead Americans still lie where they were killed, to make the most of the tragedy by manipulating public emotion.

You libs / Dems want to make America safer? Start with Chicago & Baltimore. When you succeed THERE, come show us your success and talk to us THEN.

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How's that worked out so far?

The El Paso shooter and the Ohio shooter were both mentally disturbed. The system and laws already in effect failed ..adding more / new laws when you can't enforce the old ones don't help.

Disarm law-abiding citizens, and you create 'sheep' for the 'wolves' - criminals who don't follow those laws - to slaughter.

The Red Flag laws have already been proven to be easily used to disarm Americans, as 1 citizen was raided, his guns taken, & WHEN he gets a court date he has to try to prove he is innocent despite the cops mistaking him for a convicted criminal.

There are no such thing as an 'assault weapon' - it is a made-up term spread to cause fear / outrage and support for stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Liberals / Democrats claim they are against gun violence and want to make America safer....by ignoring record-setting daily / weekly coo.Bing murder rates in cities like Chicago and Baltimore, where g and guns are used to kill Americans in far larger numbers than the occasional mass shooting. Instead, they wait for a shooting that works for their agenda and act quickly, while dead Americans still lie where they were killed, to make the most of the tragedy by manipulating public emotion.

You libs / Dems want to make America safer? Start with Chicago & Baltimore. When you succeed THERE, come show us your success and talk to us THEN.

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

 

[Marion Morrison]

How's that worked out so far?

The El Paso shooter and the Ohio shooter were both mentally disturbed. The system and laws already in effect failed ..adding more / new laws when you can't enforce the old ones don't help.

Disarm law-abiding citizens, and you create 'sheep' for the 'wolves' - criminals who don't follow those laws - to slaughter.

The Red Flag laws have already been proven to be easily used to disarm Americans, as 1 citizen was raided, his guns taken, & WHEN he gets a court date he has to try to prove he is innocent despite the cops mistaking him for a convicted criminal.

There are no such thing as an 'assault weapon' - it is a made-up term spread to cause fear / outrage and support for stripping Americans of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Liberals / Democrats claim they are against gun violence and want to make America safer....by ignoring record-setting daily / weekly coo.Bing murder rates in cities like Chicago and Baltimore, where g and guns are used to kill Americans in far larger numbers than the occasional mass shooting. Instead, they wait for a shooting that works for their agenda and act quickly, while dead Americans still lie where they were killed, to make the most of the tragedy by manipulating public emotion.

You libs / Dems want to make America safer? Start with Chicago & Baltimore. When you succeed THERE, come show us your success and talk to us THEN.

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

 

[Slade3200]

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

So Trumps proposal = bad... right?

 

[Marion Morrison]

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

So Trumps proposal = bad... right?

That is correct.

 

[Claudette]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Damned good idea. A background check should be done on anyone buying a gun.

Wrong....criminals don't do background checks, mass shooters pass any background check...or they both steal the guns.....

Please...try to understand this issue...

Of course criminals don't do background checks or mass shooter for that matter.

A background check never hurt anyone and if it manages to catch some asshole then that's a good thing.

They catch a bunch lying on the forms, very few, if any are prosecuted. Perhaps we should enforce the laws we already have.

.

Oh I agree. They have tons of laws on the books pertaining to guns. Background checks don't hurt either.

 

[iceberg]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

mostly "because something must be done" and if he doesn't more people scream.

i'm down for changes. i honestly am. but we need to look deeply into what we're changing and will it have the effect we're after. if not, it makes zero sense to change it.

background checks for all! great. only *at least* 3 shooters in the last several years all got through background checks that should not have. extrapolate that out to people buying guns and only shooting a few people at a time in chicago. so wheee - we did something and now all will be ok.

only it won't be. someone will buy a gun this way and abuse it and we go back to looking for ways to stop them from getting guns again. that doesn't work so we rinse, repeat. how many times do we pass new laws or get more strict? chicago and LA are the most stringent against guns and they have the worst problems.

we need to figure out why people are so angry and work on that. stop worrying about what tool they choose to use to express that anger and address the anger. right now in our society the left and right extremes have people so worked up both sides go out on shooting sprees in the name of their side. *this* is why i feel we're already at a form of a modern day civil war. wars don't have to just use guns to kill. they can use media and lies to morph things into what they want. google is looking to see how they can alter elections. while gun violence is way too much these days, that to me is a much bigger issue. but it's also why people are so angry. if it's NOT happening as the left says and it's all just a lot of conspiracy theories, then why the huge pushback and their own attack on the right? the left is wanting to change everything up and the right says stop it.

and it's gotten WAY out of hand thanks to technology around us we're not mature enough to use properly.

we need to bolster our background checks and make sure all data that should be there in fact is there. then we need to look for profiles of what all these shooters have in common and much like the FBI in the 70s, work to understand why it's happening and learn to predict behaviors and patterns to help us understand the problem.

i've never known too many effective solutions to problems we didn't identify and understand first. gun control has become a political issue and not many problems get fixed at this point but a lot of useless "compromises" are made to appease the masses.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Background checks blatantly violate the First, Fifth and Tenth Amendments.

The only thing meaningful about turning the constitution upside down in such a manner is a distaste for American freedom as well as contempt for the constitution.

I didn't vote for the statist son of a bitch anyway. I've never liked him. And th NRA has done more against gun rights than they've ever done for them. It's manufactured opposition.

 

[easyt65]

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

Sure...Notice the 'S' at the end of 'libS/demS'? That means 'PLURAL', as in 'MORE THAN 1'. I was not talking to you personally but addressing the 'libS/demS' in this sentence....but if the shoe fits, as they say....

 

[miketx]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Lol! How about stop letting violent criminals out? Why is it none of the lib stains will address this?

My OP was strictly about Trumps proposal. Why aren’t you addressing that and why are you bringing “Libs” into it?

Clearly, because it will not stop crime, lib.

 

[Crixus]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Bull shit. First off, "expunged" means different things in different states. It's a myth that when one turns 18 all the crimes they committed just disappear. That's all a fairy tail. As for raising the age to own a rifle or shotgun, I would only be good with that if the age to vote and join the military was raised to 21.

So your against Trumps proposal, right?

Yes. Violant felonies are never "expunged" from ones record, even if they are committed when they are minors. All that was was Trump following the advice of some RINO that thinks the voting public is retarded.


Raising the age to own guns? I gave my boys their first guns when they were 15. No, I didn't hand them a gun and box of ammo and say "there it is". This was just Trump taking bad advice, likely from the same RINO who thinks the voting public is retarded and lazy. So no, I don't agree with Trump on this and I think he is being badly advised.

 

[2aguy]

Libs still don't get it. More guns make us safer.

And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier

With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.

According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:

In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.

The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."

However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police

Wow.....great point...till the police take one minute to look up the person carrying the gun, and determine whether they are doing so legally or not......yeah, you have a dumb point....

And at the point the individual draws the gun, points it at another human and makes a criminal demand.....yeah, the police are all over that....as would be the clerk....

This made up situation doesn't happen in all of the states where concealed and open carry are already allowed........and as more people now carry guns, the gun crime rate went down, not up, the gun murder rate went down, not up....showing that you have no point...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Libs still don't get it. More guns make us safer.

And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier

With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.

According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:

In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.

The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."

The only problem with your theory? Is that over the last 26 years more guns have been added to this society....and a lot more people now carry guns for self defense.....which means? Your theory is wrong...

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...