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Ban affirmative action. Support equality based on merit.

What is wrong with a merit standard?
That would be a caste system, dope.

What happened to the founding principle that all men are created equal?


What an insane answer. Those are the two opposite sides of the spectrum. Merit has the most movement, caste has the least.

You are arguing that non white/Asians are so horribly incompetent and inferior that they cannot compete on a merit standard. That is laughable and racist.

The only people who push for preferential treatment are supremacist bigots.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
You'll fit in great here, getting everything exactly ass backwards is a popular stance around here.
Did your parents have any children that weren't mentally challenged?
People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.

OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.

You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.

Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar. :)
Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.


Yes...it is. It is called racism no matter what the intent....and discriminating against people because people in the past with their same skin color did bad things is called racism....
In the past? Things are better; we are slowly convincing people that a black, a woman, a Latino, a Native American, can do an equally good job as the average white guy. But there are still plenty of people who don't see it and would still not give those people a chance to succeed or fail.
No, what people like you have done is convince people that minorities are getting ahead based upon the color of their skin or their gender, NOT their accomplishments or capabilities. There are facts to base that belief on, just look at the washout rates for minority students admitted to colleges under affirmative action programs. Scarce college slots are wasted on people who have no real chance of success. Promotions and jobs are the same way. Every woman or minority who is promoted is viewed by the other candidates as well as subordinates as getting promoted in spite of their performance not because of it. The bad ones get carried, the good ones have to work ten times as hard to disprove erroneous beliefs about their lack of competency. AA MIGHT have had a place when it was enacted, although I disagree, but when does it end? It existed my entire working life, will my great grandchildren be denied equal access to schools and jobs as well? You can’t use discrimination by further discrimination.
Whites have done what you claim here since the beginning of this country. Whites drop out of college too. Everything you say here is bullshit. When will whites like you drop the delusion? AA ends when whites stop practicing racism. White racial preference is an American tradition and it is so routine that whites like you either don't know that's what is happening or you know it and want to continue getting preferential treatment.

White and asian kids are not given an advantage getting into school. Black kids are. You think that is ok despite not taking anything else into account? A rich black kid from Beverly Hills with lesser qualifications could still benefit from AA, while a poor white kids from Arkansas could be left out. In what world is that the “right” thing to do?
Wrong. Asians are not shafted by AA. In fact as it pertains to their population, they are overrepresented. Understand this, schools take into account multiple factors in admitting students and test scores are just one. Test scores are so inconsequential that now over 900 colleges don't consider test scores or have made testing optional. Your racist argument always assumes that blacks aren't qualidied, which is wrong. What has been shown over the past few years is rampant cheating by bpth Asians and whites.

Rich black kids suffer from systemic racial discrimination and poor white kids don't. There is such a thing as unqualified whites and many of them are accepted on legacy. Ask G.W. Bush.

Test scores are so inconsequential that now over 900 colleges don't consider test scores or have made testing optional.


Idiot.....

They did this to discriminate against Asians and to a lesser extent against whites.......blacks, because they are trapped in democrat party controlled schools....do horrible on standard tests...so the left wingers, instead of fixing democrat party controlled schools, simply do their best to throw out using test scores...you idiot.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...


affirmative action is racism......that is all it is.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
No, the right can't debate this because it's an argument bereft of reality. Whites have very little based on a merit standard.
What do you do for a living?

When my law firm downsized after the crash of 2009, a I had lunch with American friend who was in Toronto visiting her college roommate from Sarah Lawrence who was married to the #3 guy Rogers Communications.

My friend told her friend, who asked her husband if he could help a friend out. The next thing I knew, I was being offered a 6 month consulting contract with a large multi-national corporation at 3 times my law firm salary! I was the ONLY candidate interviewed for the job.

This is the very essence of white privilege and the old girls network.

The job was boring and there was little to do. I did manage to earn my keep by auditing invoices, payments and holdbacks on a $25 million dollar 2 year construction contract which indicated that the GC was overcharging the client by nearly 10% on the final invoice. I saved the client $350,000. Any good consultant pays their own salary. The client got a 500% ROI.

In my heart I’m just a kid from small town Ontario and that’s where I’ve retired. But I have worked for and among the Masters of the Universe and I know how power and money work in the real world.

To say that we don’t all benefit from our white privilege, or that there is no such thing, is to deny reality.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
No, the right can't debate this because it's an argument bereft of reality. Whites have very little based on a merit standard.
What do you do for a living?

When my law firm downsized after the crash of 2009, a I had lunch with American friend who was in Toronto visiting her college roommate from Sarah Lawrence who was married to the #3 guy Rogers Communications.

My friend told her friend, who asked her husband if he could help a friend out. The next thing I knew, I was being offered a 6 month consulting contract with a large multi-national corporation at 3 times my law firm salary! I was the ONLY candidate interviewed for the job.

This is the very essence of white privilege and the old girls network.

The job was boring and there was little to do. I did manage to earn my keep by auditing invoices, payments and holdbacks on a $25 million dollar 2 year construction contract which indicated that the GC was overcharging the client by nearly 10% on the final invoice. I saved the client $350,000. Any good consultant pays their own salary. The client got a 500% ROI.

In my heart I’m just a kid from small town Ontario and that’s where I’ve retired. But I have worked for and among the Masters of the Universe and I know how power and money work in the real world.

To say that we don’t all benefit from our white privilege, or that there is no such thing, is to deny reality.
my guess is youre lying again,,
 
#3 guy Rogers Communications
the very essence of white privilege and the old girls network
I know. My grandmother was a telephone operator in the bad old days. They listened in the old boys' phone calls, so the old boys went golfing when they had to do business.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
No, the right can't debate this because it's an argument bereft of reality. Whites have very little based on a merit standard.
What do you do for a living?

When my law firm downsized after the crash of 2009, a I had lunch with American friend who was in Toronto visiting her college roommate from Sarah Lawrence who was married to the #3 guy Rogers Communications.

My friend told her friend, who asked her husband if he could help a friend out. The next thing I knew, I was being offered a 6 month consulting contract with a large multi-national corporation at 3 times my law firm salary! I was the ONLY candidate interviewed for the job.

This is the very essence of white privilege and the old girls network.

The job was boring and there was little to do. I did manage to earn my keep by auditing invoices, payments and holdbacks on a $25 million dollar 2 year construction contract which indicated that the GC was overcharging the client by nearly 10% on the final invoice. I saved the client $350,000. Any good consultant pays their own salary. The client got a 500% ROI.

In my heart I’m just a kid from small town Ontario and that’s where I’ve retired. But I have worked for and among the Masters of the Universe and I know how power and money work in the real world.

To say that we don’t all benefit from our white privilege, or that there is no such thing, is to deny reality.
In my entire life I never viewed benefits of civilization and progress as "white privilege". I doubt you did either until you were indoctrinated. Not buying.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
No, the right can't debate this because it's an argument bereft of reality. Whites have very little based on a merit standard.
What do you do for a living?

When my law firm downsized after the crash of 2009, a I had lunch with American friend who was in Toronto visiting her college roommate from Sarah Lawrence who was married to the #3 guy Rogers Communications.

My friend told her friend, who asked her husband if he could help a friend out. The next thing I knew, I was being offered a 6 month consulting contract with a large multi-national corporation at 3 times my law firm salary! I was the ONLY candidate interviewed for the job.

This is the very essence of white privilege and the old girls network.

The job was boring and there was little to do. I did manage to earn my keep by auditing invoices, payments and holdbacks on a $25 million dollar 2 year construction contract which indicated that the GC was overcharging the client by nearly 10% on the final invoice. I saved the client $350,000. Any good consultant pays their own salary. The client got a 500% ROI.

In my heart I’m just a kid from small town Ontario and that’s where I’ve retired. But I have worked for and among the Masters of the Universe and I know how power and money work in the real world.

To say that we don’t all benefit from our white privilege, or that there is no such thing, is to deny reality.


We don't, we all benefit from people we know privilege you idiot. You knew someone who knew someone, just like rich black people know other black people and get them jobs....you moron...

Try becoming a police officer or firefighter in the states, regardless of color without having friends or family on the job...you dope.......

Do you think a wealthy black guy isn't going to help out a friend like your friend helped you...

You actually are a racist.....you see skin color, not people....you are a racist.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
No, the right can't debate this because it's an argument bereft of reality. Whites have very little based on a merit standard.
What do you do for a living?

When my law firm downsized after the crash of 2009, a I had lunch with American friend who was in Toronto visiting her college roommate from Sarah Lawrence who was married to the #3 guy Rogers Communications.

My friend told her friend, who asked her husband if he could help a friend out. The next thing I knew, I was being offered a 6 month consulting contract with a large multi-national corporation at 3 times my law firm salary! I was the ONLY candidate interviewed for the job.

This is the very essence of white privilege and the old girls network.

The job was boring and there was little to do. I did manage to earn my keep by auditing invoices, payments and holdbacks on a $25 million dollar 2 year construction contract which indicated that the GC was overcharging the client by nearly 10% on the final invoice. I saved the client $350,000. Any good consultant pays their own salary. The client got a 500% ROI.

In my heart I’m just a kid from small town Ontario and that’s where I’ve retired. But I have worked for and among the Masters of the Universe and I know how power and money work in the real world.

To say that we don’t all benefit from our white privilege, or that there is no such thing, is to deny reality.
...You're a Canadian.....?

This explains so much

No wonder you are always so confused lol

You don't even fucking live here. Sometimes I wonder what the fuck is wrong with you. Now I know why, you're busy worrying about Canadian shit in your off time haha

And neptosim is not racism. Networking is not racism either.

Black America eschews the powerful whites and self segregates....They pay for it. We can't fix nepotism, just gotta all be friends
 
The good idea of a helping hand up was altered by libbies into perpetuating a failed lifestyle.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
You'll fit in great here, getting everything exactly ass backwards is a popular stance around here.
Did your parents have any children that weren't mentally challenged?
People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.

OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.

You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.

Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar. :)
Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.


Yes...it is. It is called racism no matter what the intent....and discriminating against people because people in the past with their same skin color did bad things is called racism....
In the past? Things are better; we are slowly convincing people that a black, a woman, a Latino, a Native American, can do an equally good job as the average white guy. But there are still plenty of people who don't see it and would still not give those people a chance to succeed or fail.
No, what people like you have done is convince people that minorities are getting ahead based upon the color of their skin or their gender, NOT their accomplishments or capabilities. There are facts to base that belief on, just look at the washout rates for minority students admitted to colleges under affirmative action programs. Scarce college slots are wasted on people who have no real chance of success. Promotions and jobs are the same way. Every woman or minority who is promoted is viewed by the other candidates as well as subordinates as getting promoted in spite of their performance not because of it. The bad ones get carried, the good ones have to work ten times as hard to disprove erroneous beliefs about their lack of competency. AA MIGHT have had a place when it was enacted, although I disagree, but when does it end? It existed my entire working life, will my great grandchildren be denied equal access to schools and jobs as well? You can’t use discrimination by further discrimination.
Whites have done what you claim here since the beginning of this country. Whites drop out of college too. Everything you say here is bullshit. When will whites like you drop the delusion? AA ends when whites stop practicing racism. White racial preference is an American tradition and it is so routine that whites like you either don't know that's what is happening or you know it and want to continue getting preferential treatment.

White and asian kids are not given an advantage getting into school. Black kids are. You think that is ok despite not taking anything else into account? A rich black kid from Beverly Hills with lesser qualifications could still benefit from AA, while a poor white kids from Arkansas could be left out. In what world is that the “right” thing to do?
Wrong. Asians are not shafted by AA. In fact as it pertains to their population, they are overrepresented. Understand this, schools take into account multiple factors in admitting students and test scores are just one. Test scores are so inconsequential that now over 900 colleges don't consider test scores or have made testing optional. Your racist argument always assumes that blacks aren't qualidied, which is wrong. What has been shown over the past few years is rampant cheating by bpth Asians and whites.

Rich black kids suffer from systemic racial discrimination and poor white kids don't. There is such a thing as unqualified whites and many of them are accepted on legacy. Ask G.W. Bush.

Test scores are so inconsequential that now over 900 colleges don't consider test scores or have made testing optional.


Idiot.....

They did this to discriminate against Asians and to a lesser extent against whites.......blacks, because they are trapped in democrat party controlled schools....do horrible on standard tests...so the left wingers, instead of fixing democrat party controlled schools, simply do their best to throw out using test scores...you idiot.

They threw out test scores because of rampant cheating. An entire industry had grown up around coaching applicants for the SATS, or cheating on the SATS, that the scores themselves were meaningless and in no ways indicative of a candidate’s abilities or intellect.

American families current spend more money on their children’s education than any parents in the first world. Such a system gives much advantage to the children of the rich.
 
The good idea of a helping hand up was altered by libbies into perpetuating a failed lifestyle.

No it was not.

It was perverted by Republicans who refused to pass increases to the federal minimum wage for 40 years, into wage subsidies for large, highly profitable multinational corporations, so they could book record profits and pay records dividends their shareholders.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
You'll fit in great here, getting everything exactly ass backwards is a popular stance around here.
Did your parents have any children that weren't mentally challenged?
People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.

OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.

You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.

Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar. :)
Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.


Yes...it is. It is called racism no matter what the intent....and discriminating against people because people in the past with their same skin color did bad things is called racism....
In the past? Things are better; we are slowly convincing people that a black, a woman, a Latino, a Native American, can do an equally good job as the average white guy. But there are still plenty of people who don't see it and would still not give those people a chance to succeed or fail.
No, what people like you have done is convince people that minorities are getting ahead based upon the color of their skin or their gender, NOT their accomplishments or capabilities. There are facts to base that belief on, just look at the washout rates for minority students admitted to colleges under affirmative action programs. Scarce college slots are wasted on people who have no real chance of success. Promotions and jobs are the same way. Every woman or minority who is promoted is viewed by the other candidates as well as subordinates as getting promoted in spite of their performance not because of it. The bad ones get carried, the good ones have to work ten times as hard to disprove erroneous beliefs about their lack of competency. AA MIGHT have had a place when it was enacted, although I disagree, but when does it end? It existed my entire working life, will my great grandchildren be denied equal access to schools and jobs as well? You can’t use discrimination by further discrimination.
Whites have done what you claim here since the beginning of this country. Whites drop out of college too. Everything you say here is bullshit. When will whites like you drop the delusion? AA ends when whites stop practicing racism. White racial preference is an American tradition and it is so routine that whites like you either don't know that's what is happening or you know it and want to continue getting preferential treatment.

White and asian kids are not given an advantage getting into school. Black kids are. You think that is ok despite not taking anything else into account? A rich black kid from Beverly Hills with lesser qualifications could still benefit from AA, while a poor white kids from Arkansas could be left out. In what world is that the “right” thing to do?
Wrong. Asians are not shafted by AA. In fact as it pertains to their population, they are overrepresented. Understand this, schools take into account multiple factors in admitting students and test scores are just one. Test scores are so inconsequential that now over 900 colleges don't consider test scores or have made testing optional. Your racist argument always assumes that blacks aren't qualidied, which is wrong. What has been shown over the past few years is rampant cheating by bpth Asians and whites.

Rich black kids suffer from systemic racial discrimination and poor white kids don't. There is such a thing as unqualified whites and many of them are accepted on legacy. Ask G.W. Bush.

Test scores are so inconsequential that now over 900 colleges don't consider test scores or have made testing optional.


Idiot.....

They did this to discriminate against Asians and to a lesser extent against whites.......blacks, because they are trapped in democrat party controlled schools....do horrible on standard tests...so the left wingers, instead of fixing democrat party controlled schools, simply do their best to throw out using test scores...you idiot.

They threw out test scores because of rampant cheating. An entire industry had grown up around coaching applicants for the SATS, or cheating on the SATS, that the scores themselves were meaningless and in no ways indicative of a candidate’s abilities or intellect.

American families current spend more money on their children’s education than any parents in the first world. Such a system gives much advantage to the children of the rich.

So is this a war on the "rich" or a war on white people? You act as if all white people are rich and that all black people are poor. In every post, you mention "rich" when trying to make an argument in favor of AA. If you want to make it about income vs race, that is another argument entirely.
 
We wouldn't want to miss a generation of snivelling losers; it just wouldn't be the same if by then everyone had figured out that we're equally capable when given a chance.

I guess I fail to see how a person who went to the same college but had lower grades and lower test scores is just as capable of becoming a doctor as their academic peer who just happens to be a different color. In fact, the non-minority may have come from a less affluent household as well and may have had to work through college while the minority student is on a minority only scholarship. One may get into medical school while the other is forced to change their plans despite being more qualified by every meaningful measurement. That is the very definition of racism and that is exactly what AA does. You can spin it all you would like and talk about how diversity makes us better, yada, yada, yada, but the bottom line is that a person’s race is the prevailing factor in some of these decisions and that is flat out wrong.
AA is working. Minorities are getting educated and getting decent jobs, and in another generation you'll see the difference it makes. These things take time. Everyone deserves to contribute.

A poor kid from Arkansas is going to get into college, too, btw. It isn't just minority poor that the government is pushing toward college.

No, the poor kid from Arkansas will not benefit from AA. He may get some other assistance due to his economic situation, but not his race. The issue with AA is that it is race/gender based, which is flat out wrong. Just because someone is black doesn't mean they should get an extra benefit. I have a hard time seeing how a black kid of a wealthy business owner who attended a private school should get the added benefit of AA over the poor white kid from Arkansas. The same goes in reverse. Race and gender should NOT be a factor...not one bit.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses...
You'll fit in great here, getting everything exactly ass backwards is a popular stance around here.
Did your parents have any children that weren't mentally challenged?
People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.
> People fighting bigotry with programs that encourage minority hiring are not racist; they are trying to combat it, shortbus.

OldLady, you just said that hiring based upon race is not racist. Literally.

You don't fight racism by instituting racist policies.

Instead of an insult you deserve, I'll give you a compliment... Cute avatar. :)
Racism involves believing other groups are inferior to yours. It's not a racist policy to break centuries of bigotry by encouraging minorities get a chance.


Yes...it is. It is called racism no matter what the intent....and discriminating against people because people in the past with their same skin color did bad things is called racism....
In the past? Things are better; we are slowly convincing people that a black, a woman, a Latino, a Native American, can do an equally good job as the average white guy. But there are still plenty of people who don't see it and would still not give those people a chance to succeed or fail.
No, what people like you have done is convince people that minorities are getting ahead based upon the color of their skin or their gender, NOT their accomplishments or capabilities. There are facts to base that belief on, just look at the washout rates for minority students admitted to colleges under affirmative action programs. Scarce college slots are wasted on people who have no real chance of success. Promotions and jobs are the same way. Every woman or minority who is promoted is viewed by the other candidates as well as subordinates as getting promoted in spite of their performance not because of it. The bad ones get carried, the good ones have to work ten times as hard to disprove erroneous beliefs about their lack of competency. AA MIGHT have had a place when it was enacted, although I disagree, but when does it end? It existed my entire working life, will my great grandchildren be denied equal access to schools and jobs as well? You can’t use discrimination by further discrimination.
Whites have done what you claim here since the beginning of this country. Whites drop out of college too. Everything you say here is bullshit. When will whites like you drop the delusion? AA ends when whites stop practicing racism. White racial preference is an American tradition and it is so routine that whites like you either don't know that's what is happening or you know it and want to continue getting preferential treatment.

White and asian kids are not given an advantage getting into school. Black kids are. You think that is ok despite not taking anything else into account? A rich black kid from Beverly Hills with lesser qualifications could still benefit from AA, while a poor white kids from Arkansas could be left out. In what world is that the “right” thing to do?

30% of Ivy League College admissions go to “legacy students” - the children of the rich white people who graduated from Harvard, Princeton and Yale. This is the very definition of “affirmative action” for rich white kids.

In terms of “athletic scholarships”, there are, on average, 12 scholarship track athletic programs at suburban middle class high schools versus 9 at inner city schools, so rich white kifs have the advantage there as well. There are few hockey, swimming, fencing or rowing programs in inner city schools. This makes the competition for basketball, track and field, baseball and football scholarships among minority students, that much tougher.

You had a lengthy post about the Bell Curve and the lower IQ and test scores to justify keeping minorities out of Ivy League schools.

The authors of the Bell Curve theorized that the USA would become stratified by IQ with the smartest people having the highest income, so education should go to the smartest, and black IQ’s are lower than whites and Asians so AA is wasted on blacks.

But the ignored the stats which showed that IQ has limited effects on income and success. That basically 1 point higher of IQ above the average of 100, will only result in an average 1% income increase. While rich people with Average IQ’s have an income 200% higher than the American average.

The Brookings Institute points out that the every addional year of education which the average individual receives increases the annual income by $700 per year (as at the year the study was first published)

This means 2 years of ECE pre-school, would increase average IQ of particants by 3%, and their average annual earning, making the investment in the 2 extra years of ECS well worth the investment.

Extrapolating the incone data from the bell curve research, provides ample proof that the investment and increased educational opportunities provided by AA for CB inner city minorities have been well worth the investment.

Between the start of Johnson’s War on Poverty which pushed access for minorities to higher education, black poverty was cut by 2/3 and black unemployment was substantially reduced as well.

Republicans stoked white fear and grievance around affirmative action and its impact on white opportunities. Republicans claimed it was no longer needed that and that the playing field was now leveled. Such claims were completely false but they have been an effective wedge issue for Republicans.
your quoting 1980's statistics. it's now 2021 buddy.
 
What is wrong with a merit standard?
That would be a caste system, dope.

What happened to the founding principle that all men are created equal?
we are created equal,, after that its up to us to fend for ourselves,,,
At what point does the equality cease?
I just told you,,
No. What you posted was nonsense.
 
We should do away with preferences for skin color, gender, sexuality. That is discrimination. Those who support affirmative action support discrimination. Those who support discrimination are bigots and supremacists.

Hence, the supporters of affirmative action are bigots and supremacists, as if that isn't the most obvious insight since someone said the sun is hot..

Why are the Democrats so afraid of equality? The democrat party has never supported equality. It has supported


Slavery
Segregation
Affirmative action


What is wrong with a merit standard?

If you believe your own demographic is too inferior to stand up in an equal merit based society, does that not make you a bigot and supremacist?

The left cannot debate this issue.

They rather will respond with hate and card tosses..

Then why is the florida governor using quotas at public universities? Shouldn't it just be merit?
 
What is wrong with a merit standard?
That would be a caste system, dope.

What happened to the founding principle that all men are created equal?
we are created equal,, after that its up to us to fend for ourselves,,,
At what point does the equality cease?
When the government imposes favor by skin color, you know, like the segregation of the past and now affirmative action. Intelligent patriotic Americans learn from the past and MLK. Ignorant Democrat racists want to prolong their racist past.
Utter nonsense.
 

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