Baptist Pastor from Florida rips Kim Davis a new one.

[the_human_being]

Whatever happened to government by the people, for the people, and of the people? Are five Supreme Court justices "the people"? 75% of Kentucky voters passed the Kentucky Defense of Marriage Law by majority vote. It was the will of the majority - not the few. Why bother to vote on anything? Just have five justices make law for all.

This reminds me of how pissed off Obama was when Rick Perry went down to his Texas southern border to secure it when Obama would not. Obama wouldn't uphold Federal Law forcing Rick Perry to do it.

The Supreme Court is part of our government...one third. But answer me this.....is we do not have the Supreme Court holding Judicial Review....how do you suggest we get rid of unConstitutional laws in this country?

What unconstitutional laws are you speaking of? State's rights? Majority rule of law? Voters rights? I already stated that if the votes of 75% of the people can be voided by 5 justices and the sovereignty of a state can be nullified by these same 5 justices, then simply allow these 5 justices to decided and impose all the law upon all the people and all the states and just send Congress and all the state legislatures home.

So if 75% of the people pass a law outlawing Islam...who will there be to point out and enforce the 1st Amendment? What if 75% of the people in a state pass a law outlawing hand guns...who will there be to point out and enforce the 2nd Amendment?

You're rambling on and on here. I've already said to let the 5 justices make and enforce all the laws. You sound like a stuck record needle.

5 Justices do not MAKE the law...The Congress does that. 5 Justices do not enforce the laws, that is what the Executive Branch does. I am not rambling at all, I am schooling you on how the U.S. government works and how it does not work.

I know that fool. I was humoring you who kept claiming the Supreme Court enforced the gay marriage thing. You are an idiot.

 

[bodecea]

Here he is...

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And here's a link to the church website. You can call for verification.

mccormick road baptist church | Who We Are

(407) 886-4957

Ok so he is a real preacher.
I don't think that he knows she is a new Christian or he would not have said that about her.

What was she before she was this so-called "new christian"?

A sinner just like all of us are before we accept Christ.

You don't know, do you? What if she already was a christian...but not the "right kind" of christian? I know that evangelicals do that all the time.....accusing people such as catholics of not really being christians....which is arrogant "holier than thou" crap that drives people away.

Not this one evangelical.
All who accept Christ are Christians in my book.
The Bible says all are sinners and that Christ died on the cross for our sins.
If you want to question written articles about her becoming a Christian 4 years ago then that is your right.

Evangelicals don't think Catholics are christians...Catholics don't think Protestants are christians....all don't think Mormons are christians. One of the things that is the most offensive is for one "christian" to judge whether other "christians" are really "christian" or not.

 

[bodecea]

The law is often changed. This is why we have mechanisms in the US Constitution to allow for changes in the law. Those who cannot adapt to change have no business being in the position of a Kim Davis to begin with.

75% of the voters thought so. What happened was 75% of the voters had their votes vacated while 25% had their votes validated. Gays and lesbians only make up about 6 or 7 per cent of the total population. Get real. You'll never have 100% agreement on any issue but the majority should prevail.

So...when the majority said that there should be Jim Crow laws...they should prevail?

I wouldn't have any problem with it if the majority actually supported it.

And.....................there you have it folks. The Bill of Rights and civil rights means nothing to this poster.

You feel better now? Good. The rights of the majority mean nothing to you - just so you have your way. You're just another "victim", right?

The majority most certainly has rights, exercised through their votes...but this is not a Democracy like you seem to think it is...we are a Constitutional Republic....the rule of law applies. You can get 99% of the voting public vote for something, but if it goes against the Constitution and it's amendments, it is unConstitutional and cannot become enforceable law. That's how things are in this country. Welcome to U.S. Government 101.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Are you another one of the faux christians who can't handle the truth that the OP was calling out?

 

[bodecea]

The Supreme Court is part of our government...one third. But answer me this.....is we do not have the Supreme Court holding Judicial Review....how do you suggest we get rid of unConstitutional laws in this country?

What unconstitutional laws are you speaking of? State's rights? Majority rule of law? Voters rights? I already stated that if the votes of 75% of the people can be voided by 5 justices and the sovereignty of a state can be nullified by these same 5 justices, then simply allow these 5 justices to decided and impose all the law upon all the people and all the states and just send Congress and all the state legislatures home.

So if 75% of the people pass a law outlawing Islam...who will there be to point out and enforce the 1st Amendment? What if 75% of the people in a state pass a law outlawing hand guns...who will there be to point out and enforce the 2nd Amendment?

You're rambling on and on here. I've already said to let the 5 justices make and enforce all the laws. You sound like a stuck record needle.

5 Justices do not MAKE the law...The Congress does that. 5 Justices do not enforce the laws, that is what the Executive Branch does. I am not rambling at all, I am schooling you on how the U.S. government works and how it does not work.

I know that fool. I was humoring you who kept claiming the Supreme Court enforced the gay marriage thing. You are an idiot.

Oh...I claimed the "Supreme Court enforced the gay marriage thing"? Where did I say SCOTUS enforced it? Link my post where I said that.

 

[hortysir]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

Completely agree

If it was only about her faith she wouldn't stamp/decree divorce cases or, at least, issue marriage licenses when the petitioner's ex is still alive

 

[The Rabbi]

Had no idea you were a Baptist, Herr Christfolgender. That would explain about half your stupid posts. Advanced AIDS and alcoholism would explain the other half.

This thread is not about me. Try to be an adult for once in your life and stay on topic.

No, I am not a Baptist. I am a Jew. But that doesn't mean I can't post words or opinions from people who are non-Jews. it's called debate and adult discussion.

The adults in the room understand this, Herr Schwanzlutscher-und-Schlucker. You don't.

Sorry to hear you have advanced AIDS. Godspeed to you.

LOL! Debate. You dont know the meaning of the term. You cherry-pick stories about conservatives doing negative things or conservatives saying negative things about other conservatives and then post them to stir shit.
I dont have advanced AIDS. You are projecting. So if you arent a Baptist, what? Lutheran. Makes sense. Martin Luther hated Jews just like you do.

You still missed the point, as you always do. It's because of your raw, unbridled hatred of other people that you forget to actually read an OP and digest the information before you begin to frothe at the mouth like a rabid dog. if you don't want people to throw "advanced AIDS" at you, you should not have mentioned it (as a weapon or an insult) to begin with you, you disgusting sheygetz.

And BTW, this is not a story about a Conservative doing something negative. It's about a man who has enough backbone to speak up about the rights of all people - and that issue is not a Conservative or Liberal issue, per se. You are just too stupid to realize this.

Talk about raw unbridled hatred.
Yes, you delight in posting shit conservatives say about other conservatives. You are a mere shit-stirrer. Nothing more. If you stacked your contributions to this board from the floor to the ceiling you could wipe up it with a fingertip.

 

[bodecea]

The law is often changed. This is why we have mechanisms in the US Constitution to allow for changes in the law. Those who cannot adapt to change have no business being in the position of a Kim Davis to begin with.

75% of the voters thought so. What happened was 75% of the voters had their votes vacated while 25% had their votes validated. Gays and lesbians only make up about 6 or 7 per cent of the total population. Get real. You'll never have 100% agreement on any issue but the majority should prevail.

So...when the majority said that there should be Jim Crow laws...they should prevail?

I wouldn't have any problem with it if the majority actually supported it.

And.....................there you have it folks. The Bill of Rights and civil rights means nothing to this poster.

You feel better now? Good. The rights of the majority mean nothing to you - just so you have your way. You're just another "victim", right?

I'm not a victim at all...what is it that makes you seem to get that from my posts? It is not my fault you have some knowledge gaps about how our government works.

 

[peach174]

Ok so he is a real preacher.
I don't think that he knows she is a new Christian or he would not have said that about her.

What was she before she was this so-called "new christian"?

A sinner just like all of us are before we accept Christ.

You don't know, do you? What if she already was a christian...but not the "right kind" of christian? I know that evangelicals do that all the time.....accusing people such as catholics of not really being christians....which is arrogant "holier than thou" crap that drives people away.

Not this one evangelical.
All who accept Christ are Christians in my book.
The Bible says all are sinners and that Christ died on the cross for our sins.
If you want to question written articles about her becoming a Christian 4 years ago then that is your right.

Evangelicals don't think Catholics are christians...Catholics don't think Protestants are christians....all don't think Mormons are christians. One of the things that is the most offensive is for one "christian" to judge whether other "christians" are really "christian" or not.

Not this Christian.
All who accept Christ are Christian.
And no- not all Christians think that way.

 

[bodecea]

Had no idea you were a Baptist, Herr Christfolgender. That would explain about half your stupid posts. Advanced AIDS and alcoholism would explain the other half.

This thread is not about me. Try to be an adult for once in your life and stay on topic.

No, I am not a Baptist. I am a Jew. But that doesn't mean I can't post words or opinions from people who are non-Jews. it's called debate and adult discussion.

The adults in the room understand this, Herr Schwanzlutscher-und-Schlucker. You don't.

Sorry to hear you have advanced AIDS. Godspeed to you.

LOL! Debate. You dont know the meaning of the term. You cherry-pick stories about conservatives doing negative things or conservatives saying negative things about other conservatives and then post them to stir shit.
I dont have advanced AIDS. You are projecting. So if you arent a Baptist, what? Lutheran. Makes sense. Martin Luther hated Jews just like you do.

You still missed the point, as you always do. It's because of your raw, unbridled hatred of other people that you forget to actually read an OP and digest the information before you begin to frothe at the mouth like a rabid dog. if you don't want people to throw "advanced AIDS" at you, you should not have mentioned it (as a weapon or an insult) to begin with you, you disgusting sheygetz.

And BTW, this is not a story about a Conservative doing something negative. It's about a man who has enough backbone to speak up about the rights of all people - and that issue is not a Conservative or Liberal issue, per se. You are just too stupid to realize this.

Talk about raw unbridled hatred.
Yes, you delight in posting shit conservatives say about other conservatives. You are a mere shit-stirrer. Nothing more. If you stacked your contributions to this board from the floor to the ceiling you could wipe up it with a fingertip.

Oh dear....need a tissue?

 

[bodecea]

What was she before she was this so-called "new christian"?

A sinner just like all of us are before we accept Christ.

You don't know, do you? What if she already was a christian...but not the "right kind" of christian? I know that evangelicals do that all the time.....accusing people such as catholics of not really being christians....which is arrogant "holier than thou" crap that drives people away.

Not this one evangelical.
All who accept Christ are Christians in my book.
The Bible says all are sinners and that Christ died on the cross for our sins.
If you want to question written articles about her becoming a Christian 4 years ago then that is your right.

Evangelicals don't think Catholics are christians...Catholics don't think Protestants are christians....all don't think Mormons are christians. One of the things that is the most offensive is for one "christian" to judge whether other "christians" are really "christian" or not.

Not this Christian.
All who accept Christ are Christian.
And no- not all Christians think that way.

Do you deny that there are people like I describe? Remember, it was just 2012 when Billy Graham felt it necessary to declare that Mormons were not of the devil.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Why? Because he is not bigoted enough for you?

Talk about hate. whew- eee !
NO because he did not know that she is a new Christian and that her past was forgiven when she took Christ as her savior and her sins were forgiven.

On what basis are you making that claim?

 

[The Rabbi]

Wrong.
KY state constitution, among many many others, defined marriage as "between one man and one woman." The USSC threw out that defintiion. T hat is called redefining marriage.
You are a dunce.

And he's a liar as well. The Supreme Court trotted out there and changed the definition of Kentucky's marriage law as well as some other states and then turned around and went off to dine on lobster tail leaving a lot of local and state governmental officials subject to jail and lawsuits instead of even making a minor attempt at staving off the collateral damages stemming from their decision. That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this. The state of Kentucky should have gone to jail if anyone needed to - not that little county clerk.

You claim;
"That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this." [Emphasis Added]

The Supremacy clause, Article V, Clause 2, of the Constitution made the Kentucky statute in question MOOT the moment the Supremes released their decision in Obergefell v. Hodges last June 26th. There would have been no jeopardy what so ever attached to Kim Davis if she had just done her sworn duty and issued those licenses to any same sex couples requesting one.

You claim. I submit she fulfilled her sworn duty as pertaining to the law she swore to uphold when she took office. The law in effect in Kentucky at the time she took office was the law she took an oath to uphold. The law was changed dummox.

The law is often changed. This is why we have mechanisms in the US Constitution to allow for changes in the law. Those who cannot adapt to change have no business being in the position of a Kim Davis to begin with.

75% of the voters thought so. What happened was 75% of the voters had their votes vacated while 25% had their votes validated. Gays and lesbians only make up about 6 or 7 per cent of the total population. Get real. You'll never have 100% agreement on any issue but the majority should prevail.

The decision was the worst in history. Worse than Plessy v Ferguson. Worse than Roe v Wade. The Supreme Court threw out:
1) 2000 years of Western tradition, which holds marriage is one man, one woman
2) 200 years of American Jurisprudence, which holds judges interpret laws
3) the 10th Amendment, which holds powers not specifically granted to the federal government are retained by the states
4) 200 years of tradition that holds states primarily define marriage and similar laws within their borders
5) Over 200 years of tradition that holds the Will of the People is the ultimate arbiter of standards
6) The principle of one man, one vote
7) The principle of limited government

Now the Supreme Court can invent anything, call it a right, and declare that it is protected under the 14th A. There is no limiting principle to it.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Why? Because he is not bigoted enough for you?

Talk about hate. whew- eee !
NO because he did not know that she is a new Christian and that her past was forgiven when she took Christ as her savior and her sins were forgiven.

She's a new christian? What was she beforehand?

I read that she was a Baptist before joining the ACC

 

[bodecea]

And he's a liar as well. The Supreme Court trotted out there and changed the definition of Kentucky's marriage law as well as some other states and then turned around and went off to dine on lobster tail leaving a lot of local and state governmental officials subject to jail and lawsuits instead of even making a minor attempt at staving off the collateral damages stemming from their decision. That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this. The state of Kentucky should have gone to jail if anyone needed to - not that little county clerk.

You claim;
"That clerk could have been sued by some other party for issuing the licenses in violation of Kentucky law. The state attorney general could have arrested her for issuing the licenses to same-sex couples. She was caught in the crosshairs. She was doomed to violate either one law or another. It should be the Court's responsibility to foresee things like this." [Emphasis Added]

The Supremacy clause, Article V, Clause 2, of the Constitution made the Kentucky statute in question MOOT the moment the Supremes released their decision in Obergefell v. Hodges last June 26th. There would have been no jeopardy what so ever attached to Kim Davis if she had just done her sworn duty and issued those licenses to any same sex couples requesting one.

You claim. I submit she fulfilled her sworn duty as pertaining to the law she swore to uphold when she took office. The law in effect in Kentucky at the time she took office was the law she took an oath to uphold. The law was changed dummox.

The law is often changed. This is why we have mechanisms in the US Constitution to allow for changes in the law. Those who cannot adapt to change have no business being in the position of a Kim Davis to begin with.

75% of the voters thought so. What happened was 75% of the voters had their votes vacated while 25% had their votes validated. Gays and lesbians only make up about 6 or 7 per cent of the total population. Get real. You'll never have 100% agreement on any issue but the majority should prevail.

The decision was the worst in history. Worse than Plessy v Ferguson. Worse than Roe v Wade. The Supreme Court threw out:
1) 2000 years of Western tradition, which holds marriage is one man, one woman
2) 200 years of American Jurisprudence, which holds judges interpret laws
3) the 10th Amendment, which holds powers not specifically granted to the federal government are retained by the states
4) 200 years of tradition that holds states primarily define marriage and similar laws within their borders
5) Over 200 years of tradition that holds the Will of the People is the ultimate arbiter of standards
6) The principle of one man, one vote
7) The principle of limited government

Now the Supreme Court can invent anything, call it a right, and declare that it is protected under the 14th A. There is no limiting principle to it.

Riiiiiiight. Make sure you occasionally wash out your con-federate flag crying towel so it doesn't get too crusty with the salt of your tears.

 

[bodecea]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Why? Because he is not bigoted enough for you?

Talk about hate. whew- eee !
NO because he did not know that she is a new Christian and that her past was forgiven when she took Christ as her savior and her sins were forgiven.

She's a new christian? What was she beforehand?

I read that she was a Baptist before joining the ACC

I would like to see if that is indeed true....if it is...all this claiming she just became a "christian" would be amusing to say the least.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter


The letter:

"Since I am a pastor of a southern Baptist church please allow me to weigh in on the case of Kim Davis, the lady in Kentucky who refuses to issue a marriage licenses to a same sex couple.

First: This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.

Second: This is not a case of someone trying to uphold the sanctity of marriage. If she wanted to uphold the sanctity of marriage she should not have been married four different times. If she is worried about her name being affixed to a marriage license that goes against a biblical definition of marriage, she should not have her name on the last three marriage licenses given to her.

Third: This seems to be a case of someone looking to cash in on the religious right. Churches all across the south will throw money at her to come and tell congregations how the evil American government put her in jail because of her faith in Jesus.

This is why we are losing.

This is why people have such disdain for evangelicals.

Not because we disagree but because we don’t take the bible seriously. If ever there was a case of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, this is it. If ever there was a “take the log out of your eye” moment, this is it.

We must stop looking to the government to make America a Christian utopia. Our kingdom is not of this world.

We must abandon all thoughts of fixing others and let Jesus fix us.

If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces. That is the way for the church to stand up for the biblical definition of marriage, not by someone martyring their self-righteous self."

(non-copyright material, can be published in its entirety)

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. He's a Christian and a Pastor. She is not a Pastor. So, who is right, here?

Hmmmm???

My husband said she is making Christian's look bad.
Either way, I don't think it's appropriate for Pastor's to be weighing in on issues like this.
I hate when the Pastor's and teacher's bring these issues up in Church. Not appropriate.

Faux christians always get embarrassed when one of their kind is exposed.

Fortunately this pastor has enough integrity to call out faux christians. More power to him because Christianity could use more of his kind IMO.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Why? Because he is not bigoted enough for you?

Talk about hate. whew- eee !
NO because he did not know that she is a new Christian and that her past was forgiven when she took Christ as her savior and her sins were forgiven.

And this red herring fallacy also in no way mitigates the accuracy of the pastor's observations.

Whomever posted the letter on Facebook, the critique is accurate, appropriate, and on-target concerning the arrogance and failings of the Christian right.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Anyone can go on facebook or any where else on-line and claim to be a pastor or what ever else they want to claim. It does not make it true.
This guy does not sound like any pastor or true Christian let alone a Baptist.
He sounds more like an activist.

Why? Because he is not bigoted enough for you?

Talk about hate. whew- eee !
NO because he did not know that she is a new Christian and that her past was forgiven when she took Christ as her savior and her sins were forgiven.

She's a new christian? What was she beforehand?

I read that she was a Baptist before joining the ACC

I would like to see if that is indeed true....if it is...all this claiming she just became a "christian" would be amusing to say the least.

...and completely irrelevant.

 

[bodecea]

Why? Because he is not bigoted enough for you?

Talk about hate. whew- eee !
NO because he did not know that she is a new Christian and that her past was forgiven when she took Christ as her savior and her sins were forgiven.

She's a new christian? What was she beforehand?

I read that she was a Baptist before joining the ACC

I would like to see if that is indeed true....if it is...all this claiming she just became a "christian" would be amusing to say the least.

...and completely irrelevant.

It would further explain why a Baptist minister would be upset over a person being called "not christian" while they were a Baptist.