Bashing Ayn Rand

[LoneLaugher]

Atlas Shrugged was all about individualism vs collectivism.

Individualism leads to peace, prosperity and growth.

Collectivism leads to death, destruction and decay.

It is all so simple.

What nation or culture can boast of having the most individualistic society?

How about least?

Is there a happy place somewhere in the middle?

America had it for about 180 years until the left started with collectivism.
It's not simple at all.
We all get together as a collective to give when needed, like during disasters. Whether here at home or around the world.
That's different than what the collective they are teaching us in our schools and the Politicians sell to the voters.

The Collectivism that they are doing and teaching is the ideology of communism, Marxism, and Socialism which always eventually collapses.
The collectivism that we are doing now promotes materialism
It teaches competition for victimhood
It stimulates envy
It teaches equality which leads to everyone being in misery. Equality has never existed and it never will. There has always been Rich and Poor since civilization began.
It eventual leads to stagnation and decay

Individualism
Is about Making Money like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates who contribute to the good for all.
From the beginning of our nation the Rich contributed for all Americans.
Railroads were for all of us, as well as bridges. Cars for all of us to use.
It teaches competition for services
It stimulates success and achievement
Individualism leads to dynamic growth
It teaches Freedom

It is about Freedom versus equality and America needs to chose.

I can tell you that equality will never be achieved because it robs from the achievers and gives to the do nothings and this will and always has led to destruction to the nation as well as civilization.
If you read history like our founders did, you would be able to see this as well as know it.
This is why this nation was created for freedom, not from any nanny government who becomes our parent and we then become enslaved .

Ask yourself what freedom you had in your parents home.
You had to live by their rules, you had to ask them for the things you wanted.
You could not do whatever you wanted to do.
Remember what it was like when you moved out and was able to do things on your own.
That is Freedom

This is what our Nation is all about
Not the nanny Government who takes care of us, but never quite does.

You did not answer the questions. Why quote them in your reply? Please answer the questions.

Thanks.

 

[Obamanation]

The left has distorted and continues to distort everything Conservatives believe in since the 1960s.

We are NOT:
hate filled
non-believers in science
racists
anti-woman
self interested
anti-environment
pro corporate swindling
haters of poor

...but they claim we are every single day!

And that's why so many people believe it.

So:

What is the GOP gonna do about it?

.

Many people believe it because it is claimed every day? There is no truth to any of it?

Nope. None at all...

Never met a conservative who would endorse ANY of those things...

The only place you hear about the right supporting any of that nonsense is from the LEFT...

 

[Obamanation]

You pick a moniker that is probably going to look very silly come 2016 and want to put Hillary Clinton in jail.

That's not hateful?

Hateful? ha, she left 4 Americans to die --- and you call ME hateful...

SMH --- they are blind in their defense of the most corrupt admin. EVER!!

Reagan left 250 American men to be blown to bits.

Not a peep out of ya about that..

...and Reagan has WHAT to do with Hilary and Benghazi? Surely you aren't suggesting that because you feel that Reagan left 250 soldiers to be "blown to bits" (even though I don't), that justifies Hilary turning her head from Americans in Benghazi?

You don't really believe that mistakes made in the past are justification to make mistakes in the future, do you?

 

[LoneLaugher]

And that's why so many people believe it.

So:

What is the GOP gonna do about it?

.

Many people believe it because it is claimed every day? There is no truth to any of it?

Nope. None at all...

Never met a conservative who would endorse ANY of those things...

The only place you hear about the right supporting any of that nonsense is from the LEFT...

You are delusional. Do you read the posts here?

 

[Dot Com]

If Paul Ryan & Alan Greenspan worshipped her thats all I need to know. One of the reasons our economy cratered is that Greenspan was an acolyte of hers and believed that markets(banks) would regulate themselves.

Here, read up: Ayn Rand - RationalWiki

a snippet:

Ayn Rand was a philandering, Russian atheist,[2] the author of vast doorstop-sized tomes like Atlas Shrugged and the ripped-off biography The Fountainhead, and other thick, boring books espousing, essentially, psychotic libertarian themes and ideology.

Rand claimed to be a philosopher, though preferring the title "Objectivist." In fact, her simplistic versions of philosophy were misunderstandings of Aristotelian metaphysical notions formulated thousands of years ago. Whether that makes a philosophy or an excuse for being greedy and selfish is, ironically, subjective.

The Objectivist movement is a movement based on Ayn Rand's personality cult.

I also have a multi-page thread I can find for you if you're interested

 

[Misty]

Ayn Rand had some liberal beliefs and some conservative ones. The one thing she truly believed in was individual freedom from government. Less government.

 

[Obamanation]

Many people believe it because it is claimed every day? There is no truth to any of it?

Nope. None at all...

Never met a conservative who would endorse ANY of those things...

The only place you hear about the right supporting any of that nonsense is from the LEFT...

You are delusional. Do you read the posts here?

Yup, sure do...

Who is endorsing any of the things I listed? I'll take the opposing view and show them the errors of their ways...

I'll bet you can't find a righty on this board who wants to take that up.

I'll bet you could find countless lefties who believe that us cons support those things though.

You have been lied to about conservative views by the likes of O long enough. Time to lift your heads, sheeples on the left, look around --- and see the truth!! The right is not the enemy --- the lies fed to you by your masters are the real enemy!

 

[Obamanation]

Ayn Rand had some liberal beliefs and some conservative ones. The one thing she truly believed in was individual freedom from government. Less government.

Sounds like the founding fathers to me!

Oh, I can tell you WHY it shrinks!! ;-)

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nope. None at all...

Never met a conservative who would endorse ANY of those things...

The only place you hear about the right supporting any of that nonsense is from the LEFT...

You are delusional. Do you read the posts here?

Yup, sure do...

Who is endorsing any of the things I listed? I'll take the opposing view and show them the errors of their ways...

I'll bet you can't find a righty on this board who wants to take that up.

I'll bet you could find countless lefties who believe that us cons support those things though.

You have been lied to about conservative views by the likes of O long enough. Time to lift your heads, sheeples on the left, look around --- and see the truth!! The right is not the enemy --- the lies fed to you by your masters are the real enemy!

Are Yidnar and Matthew conservatives?

 

[LoneLaugher]

By the way, "Obamanation".....you are personally representative of several off those traits. You are one of the nuttier nuts here. Don't you know that?

 

[peach174]

America was the most individualistic.
I'm not sure of the least. There are several that could be the least. Depends on how far back you want to go. Russia comes to mind.
The middle has never existed, even though some claim to have gotten to the middle.
You can't have government nanny (parent) and freedom.

Why are you deflecting and trying to bring in other Countries?
We are talking about America.

 

[LoneLaugher]

America was the most individualistic.
I'm not sure of the least. There are several that could be the least. Depends on how far back you want to go. Russia comes to mind.
The middle has never existed, even though some claim to have gotten to the middle.
You can't have government nanny (parent) and freedom.

Why are you deflecting and trying to bring in other Countries?
We are talking about America.

Shit. The questions were phrased in the present tense. As in now......2013. Please answer.

 

[Dot Com]

By the way, "Obamanation".....you are personally representative of several off those traits. You are one of the nuttier nuts here. Don't you know that?

i put that tard on ignore the 1st time I saw his am radio esque username

 

[Obamanation]

You are delusional. Do you read the posts here?

Yup, sure do...

Who is endorsing any of the things I listed? I'll take the opposing view and show them the errors of their ways...

I'll bet you can't find a righty on this board who wants to take that up.

I'll bet you could find countless lefties who believe that us cons support those things though.

You have been lied to about conservative views by the likes of O long enough. Time to lift your heads, sheeples on the left, look around --- and see the truth!! The right is not the enemy --- the lies fed to you by your masters are the real enemy!

Are Yidnar and Matthew conservatives?

I dunno....

Refer them to my post and lets get their take??

Remember, around here, a lot of people say abrasive things for their reaction factor. I am guilty of it as I am sure you are too. But to ask somebody to state their actual belief on a topic is going to be different than statements made in the heat of an argument... are you married? If so, you know exactly what I mean!

 

[Obamanation]

By the way, "Obamanation".....you are personally representative of several off those traits. You are one of the nuttier nuts here. Don't you know that?

lol --- really?

you will have to share my nutty views with me. Maybe you could show me how crazy I am...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yup, sure do...

Who is endorsing any of the things I listed? I'll take the opposing view and show them the errors of their ways...

I'll bet you can't find a righty on this board who wants to take that up.

I'll bet you could find countless lefties who believe that us cons support those things though.

You have been lied to about conservative views by the likes of O long enough. Time to lift your heads, sheeples on the left, look around --- and see the truth!! The right is not the enemy --- the lies fed to you by your masters are the real enemy!

Are Yidnar and Matthew conservatives?

I dunno....

Refer them to my post and lets get their take??

Remember, around here, a lot of people say abrasive things for their reaction factor. I am guilty of it as I am sure you are too. But to ask somebody to state their actual belief on a topic is going to be different than statements made in the heat of an argument... are you married? If so, you know exactly what I mean!

You do not know if Yidnar and Matthew are "conservatives"?

Shameless liar. How can anyone have a discussion with you if you refuse to be honest?

 

[Obamanation]

Are Yidnar and Matthew conservatives?

I dunno....

Refer them to my post and lets get their take??

Remember, around here, a lot of people say abrasive things for their reaction factor. I am guilty of it as I am sure you are too. But to ask somebody to state their actual belief on a topic is going to be different than statements made in the heat of an argument... are you married? If so, you know exactly what I mean!

You do not know if Yidnar and Matthew are "conservatives"?

Shameless liar. How can anyone have a discussion with you if you refuse to be honest?

Now hold on a second --- O claims to know nothing about things that happen inside his admin. --- and that is OK...

I tell you that I don't know the specific political views of two people I have never met, and you call me a liar???

hahahahahaha!!!!

You can't be serious!!!

 

[LoneLaugher]

I dunno....

Refer them to my post and lets get their take??

Remember, around here, a lot of people say abrasive things for their reaction factor. I am guilty of it as I am sure you are too. But to ask somebody to state their actual belief on a topic is going to be different than statements made in the heat of an argument... are you married? If so, you know exactly what I mean!

You do not know if Yidnar and Matthew are "conservatives"?

Shameless liar. How can anyone have a discussion with you if you refuse to be honest?

Now hold on a second --- O claims to know nothing about things that happen inside his admin. --- and that is OK...

I tell you that I don't know the specific political views of two people I have never met, and you call me a liar???

hahahahahaha!!!!

You can't be serious!!!

Have you read any of the posts that Yidnar and Matthew have submitted?

If you answer no, I will apologize. If you answer yes....you are a liar.

 

[Obamanation]

You do not know if Yidnar and Matthew are "conservatives"?

Shameless liar. How can anyone have a discussion with you if you refuse to be honest?

Now hold on a second --- O claims to know nothing about things that happen inside his admin. --- and that is OK...

I tell you that I don't know the specific political views of two people I have never met, and you call me a liar???

hahahahahaha!!!!

You can't be serious!!!

Have you read any of the posts that Yidnar and Matthew have submitted?

If you answer no, I will apologize. If you answer yes....you are a liar.

Well, I'm certain I have read posts by both --- but to suggest that I am familiar with their political views based on their names alone, I am not...

There are a lot of "Paulians" around here that I confuse for being conservative - then I learn that they are socially, as wacked out as a Colorado college student.

 

[Political Junky]

It's just so odd that cons embrace Ayn Rand who was pro-choice and an avowed atheist.