Winston
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What difference does that make? Are we taxing wealth in addition to income now?Actually according to the IRS says they pay more than their "share"...And the IRS says they do.
High Income Earners (over $250K a year)
Earn approximately 28% of the total AGI
Pay 55% of the total federal income tax burden
All other earners earn 72% of the total AGI
Pay 45% of the total federal income tax burden
What percent of the wealth do they own?
It makes a huge difference.
Look, I agree, the wealthy pay too much of the total tax burden. But the rich, they LOVE IT LIKE THIS. They pay most of the tax burden, but they own DAMN NEAR ALL THE INCOME PRODUCING ASSETS.
We can fix the problem. We just increase the marginal tax rate on the wealthy.
You appear to be contradicting yourself, if they already "pay to much" of the total income tax burden then why does it matter if they own "damn near all" (which isn't true btw) of the income producing assets since those assets produce INCOME which is taxed as you put it "too much".
The current tax system was designed by the "rich", to protect the "rich", if you don't like the results the answer probably isn't to be found by tinkering with the rate structure under the current tax code (which frankly is a national embarrassment).
Unearned income is already taxed at a higher rate than earned income, just ask anybody that's bought a winning lottery ticket what rate they paid.Hell, all we really have to do is tax unearned income the same as earned income
..and pay higher earners larger SS payouts? If you don't do that you're suggesting eliminating the veneer of entitlement that remains for SS and turning into just another welfare program.and eliminate the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes.
That's because the tax code is designed to favor those who can afford legions of attorneys and accountants as is our banking and monetary system.But when marginal tax rates were significantly higher the wealthy paid a significantly lower percentage of the total tax burden. There are very real, and very concrete reasons for this.
What part of your argument is "really fundamental economics"? and what "fundamental" economic principles does it entail?It really is fundamental economics. And when I say fundamental, well there hasn't been any "new" viable economic concept introduced in more than a hundred years.
I would be happy to explain the economic principals to you but first we need to establish a baseline of your own understanding of economics. The first thing we need to do is explain the difference between earned and unearned income. Lottery winnings are taxed, and considered, EARNED INCOME. In fact, on the federal level, lottery winnings are taxed exactly like the income you earn from your job.
In fact,much of unearned income is taxed at the same marginal tax rate as earned income. Annuity payments, pension distributions, interest income, dividends, and passive real estate earnings are all taxed at the marginal tax rate. It is the special treatment of capital gains and unqualified dividends that is the problem.
It is really pretty simple. If you dig ditches you pay a higher tax rate than if you rent out shovels. When that happens, well pretty soon nobody wants to dig any ditches and everyone wants to rent out shovels. Hello howdy, that is the modern American economy. You know supply and demand.
I mean conservatives are all about, when you tax something more than something else, well people DEMAND more of that which is taxed lower. WORK IS TAXED HIGHER THAN SPECULATION. What the hell do you think is going to happen.
I mean let's suppose you are a lawyer. A damn good lawyer. You make good money in your field. You also play the market. Why, with Social security and state income taxes, you probably pay almost fifty cents on the dollar in taxes from your lawyer work. But your investments, well you only pay fifteen cents on the dollar. You are encouraged, by the tax system, to speculate in an area you have no expertise instead of INVESTING in your own expertise. It is FUBARED.
Look, all this is really simple. Back in the old days, when marginal tax rates were much higher on the wealthy and capital gains were taxed the same as earned income, the Federal government was able to finance itself with taxes. But the wealthy figured out rather quick, it was much better to LOAN THE GOVERNMENT MONEY AT INTEREST, than pay the government taxes. That is all that has happened. The Reagan revolution PURPOSELY cut taxes knowing full well it would devastate the federal budget. But Reagan also implemented the most massive tax increase in history on the poor and middle class. Before he took office the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes was less than thirty grand. He increased the cap significantly, and to this day his built in inflationary adjustment increases that amount each and every year.