Bernie Sanders, the Democratic Party, Trump & November

[justoffal]

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
.

Ahh.... Great point..... I have some thoughts on this.
When it comes to household interest in the political process you are quite right....the average household is far too distracted by Dancing with the Stars and Tom Brady's dispute with Roger Goodell. I strongly believe that the elements for a third party are there and not the AOC brand either...but a middle of the road party composed of sane, compromising and reasonable people from all walks and avenues of life. I think the problem is that the money support has been neatly cleaved into to lumps that are definitively controlled by the two parties. For a while I though Pelosi and company were going to get steam rolled by the AOC branch of the party....but no the old Sea Hag still has sharp claws and she put the upstarts back in their place....THAT WAS NOT EASY.....
So the old party is still hanging onto control of the money and the influence without which no upstart party can survive I'm afraid. The only remedy would be to rally support from the small people in large numbers. Similar to what Bernie has done....the Dems really don't see Bernie as a Dem...that's why they keep stabbing him in the back when he starts to get off the ground. If he's smart he'll run as a write in this time if they screw him again.
Hey It worked for Murkowski. Don't get me wrong...I despise Bernie's politics but I admire his stamina and his
Trueness to his own positions. Some of the DC Troglodytes could take a lesson from him on that.

JO

I think that's at the root of it. A small number of maniacs who control the parties also then control the system. The rest of the country either (a) doesn't care enough or (b) doesn't want to join the shit show, and just stays out of it. They may vote for their party on a regular basis, but they're not engaged in the insane mechanics of it.

I no longer hold out much hope for a viable third party, so I'll just hope that some sanity will return. Ya never know.
.

Mac, I have a reasonable question I would like you to consider, and before shrugging it off, please read it carefully-------->

Most all conservatives and GOP have put forth a synopsis of what happened, and you also have asked what if it is correct what they said, about the start of this Russian collusion/delusion. For the most part as of this writing, more and more revelations are appearing that conservatives were on the correct track, even as the Democrats tried to insist none that happened and laughed, only to so far, be proven wrong.

IF, and yes that is an IF the rest of the story is true, you and I both know that Biden is a post toasty politically as of the Durham release if it is, and this no doubt will happen AFTER the Democrats Super Tuesday; meaning that even if Biden is in the lead, the number 2 contender will instantly take his place.

What will the Democrats do?

It is my humble contention (and at the very least Conservatives who support the fact that the Obama/Biden administration were the father and mother to the collusion/delusion) that if the revelations pull down a large part of the DNC, the Democrats will nominate Bernie for 2 reasons-------->

1. The young and every socialist in America voting will give them a punchers chance.

2. If and when they lose, they can blame it on Bernie and the Socialists, and Obama would parrot that also.

But what if the revelations do not pull down the DNC? What if the facts only encompass the former administration, and a few others so as the rest of the DNC can claim ignorance on the matter while showing outrage at what was pulled off, keeping them within striking distance of Trump?

Then it is my supposition that-------------> Their standard bearer is not at the current time running. They will invoke some sort of "special measures" for the good of the party, and the country. They will choose someone seen as a moderate, and may in fact choose some sort of Republican as his/her Vice-Presidential running mate. (maybe a stretch to far, but with special measures invoked, anything is possible)

It is my belief that the GOP and Trump actually have something, as if they did not, they would not be riding this horse so long. At some point they know they have to deliver, or their base will do what the Democratic base did and deflate.

We must all understand that contrary to popular belief, Trump and friends knew exactly what Mueller had, so there was no reason to deflect. They also have seen what evidence the Democrats had/have on the impeachment, so no reason to continue on with a big lie that could blow up in their face. Mac, they got something!

So, what are the Democrats going to do when it drops? It may actually be the BEST thing for the Democrats IF they can point to only a select few people like Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and Mcabe.

Why?

Because that will then give the Democratic center the ability for at least this cycle by using special measure because of the revelations, the ability to forth a candidate that might actually be able to beat Trump, without having to show themselves moving Left to kiss the a**es of the radicals in the party, creating soundbites for the GOP to paint them negatively!

If I understand your question -- I think it's "what are the Democrats going to do when some assumed revelations drop?" -- I guess it would depend on the severity of the facts. If they think they can spin their way out of it, that's what they'll do. If Biden clearly has to go, I don't know what that process looks like. Maybe the person who was #2 in the primaries gets it.
.

Biden will survive...DC is far too dirty throughout to allow him to go down on the level of charge being brought against him. Nobody want's a real system of laws down there....they would all be in jail.

JO

 

[Mac1958]

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
.

Ahh.... Great point..... I have some thoughts on this.
When it comes to household interest in the political process you are quite right....the average household is far too distracted by Dancing with the Stars and Tom Brady's dispute with Roger Goodell. I strongly believe that the elements for a third party are there and not the AOC brand either...but a middle of the road party composed of sane, compromising and reasonable people from all walks and avenues of life. I think the problem is that the money support has been neatly cleaved into to lumps that are definitively controlled by the two parties. For a while I though Pelosi and company were going to get steam rolled by the AOC branch of the party....but no the old Sea Hag still has sharp claws and she put the upstarts back in their place....THAT WAS NOT EASY.....
So the old party is still hanging onto control of the money and the influence without which no upstart party can survive I'm afraid. The only remedy would be to rally support from the small people in large numbers. Similar to what Bernie has done....the Dems really don't see Bernie as a Dem...that's why they keep stabbing him in the back when he starts to get off the ground. If he's smart he'll run as a write in this time if they screw him again.
Hey It worked for Murkowski. Don't get me wrong...I despise Bernie's politics but I admire his stamina and his
Trueness to his own positions. Some of the DC Troglodytes could take a lesson from him on that.

JO

I think that's at the root of it. A small number of maniacs who control the parties also then control the system. The rest of the country either (a) doesn't care enough or (b) doesn't want to join the shit show, and just stays out of it. They may vote for their party on a regular basis, but they're not engaged in the insane mechanics of it.

I no longer hold out much hope for a viable third party, so I'll just hope that some sanity will return. Ya never know.
.

Mac, I have a reasonable question I would like you to consider, and before shrugging it off, please read it carefully-------->

Most all conservatives and GOP have put forth a synopsis of what happened, and you also have asked what if it is correct what they said, about the start of this Russian collusion/delusion. For the most part as of this writing, more and more revelations are appearing that conservatives were on the correct track, even as the Democrats tried to insist none that happened and laughed, only to so far, be proven wrong.

IF, and yes that is an IF the rest of the story is true, you and I both know that Biden is a post toasty politically as of the Durham release if it is, and this no doubt will happen AFTER the Democrats Super Tuesday; meaning that even if Biden is in the lead, the number 2 contender will instantly take his place.

What will the Democrats do?

It is my humble contention (and at the very least Conservatives who support the fact that the Obama/Biden administration were the father and mother to the collusion/delusion) that if the revelations pull down a large part of the DNC, the Democrats will nominate Bernie for 2 reasons-------->

1. The young and every socialist in America voting will give them a punchers chance.

2. If and when they lose, they can blame it on Bernie and the Socialists, and Obama would parrot that also.

But what if the revelations do not pull down the DNC? What if the facts only encompass the former administration, and a few others so as the rest of the DNC can claim ignorance on the matter while showing outrage at what was pulled off, keeping them within striking distance of Trump?

Then it is my supposition that-------------> Their standard bearer is not at the current time running. They will invoke some sort of "special measures" for the good of the party, and the country. They will choose someone seen as a moderate, and may in fact choose some sort of Republican as his/her Vice-Presidential running mate. (maybe a stretch to far, but with special measures invoked, anything is possible)

It is my belief that the GOP and Trump actually have something, as if they did not, they would not be riding this horse so long. At some point they know they have to deliver, or their base will do what the Democratic base did and deflate.

We must all understand that contrary to popular belief, Trump and friends knew exactly what Mueller had, so there was no reason to deflect. They also have seen what evidence the Democrats had/have on the impeachment, so no reason to continue on with a big lie that could blow up in their face. Mac, they got something!

So, what are the Democrats going to do when it drops? It may actually be the BEST thing for the Democrats IF they can point to only a select few people like Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and Mcabe.

Why?

Because that will then give the Democratic center the ability for at least this cycle by using special measure because of the revelations, the ability to forth a candidate that might actually be able to beat Trump, without having to show themselves moving Left to kiss the a**es of the radicals in the party, creating soundbites for the GOP to paint them negatively!

If I understand your question -- I think it's "what are the Democrats going to do when some assumed revelations drop?" -- I guess it would depend on the severity of the facts. If they think they can spin their way out of it, that's what they'll do. If Biden clearly has to go, I don't know what that process looks like. Maybe the person who was #2 in the primaries gets it.
.

Biden will survive...DC is far too dirty throughout to allow him to go down on the level of charge being brought against him. Nobody want's a real system of laws down there....they would all be in jail.

JO

Yeah, very possible.
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[candycorn]

It does highlight that in our system, two very small states hold unimaginable sway over the choices the rest of the nation gets to make. Let alone the racial demographics of Iowa and New Hampshire, their combined population is smaller than many metropolitan areas. The old saying that there are "3 tickets out of Iowa" and "2 tickets out of New Hampshire" usually holds.

I'm not sure why the Parties allow this to continue. It is the Parties who can allow for a changing of the calendar. It really doesn't seem to benefit the parties to have these people, every four years, trudge through Iowa, to county fairs, etc... or go from hamlet to hamlet in New Hampshire and pretend they are interested in problems Washington really cannot solve. Most of what Washington does (when it works) is do the most good for the most people. One million people in New Hampshire are usually not the "most people" in any case.

Anyway, this should be changed to having 4-5 regional contests where a near equal number of delegates are up for grabs.

Hmmm.....that's an interesting thought.....I wish there was a way to explore that more but you know as well as I do it would get slapped down and stomped on....but still.....perhaps that idea should be given some daylight.

JO

Yeah, that's just it... I don't see why the Parties allow it to continue? If the Democrats wanted to have their Iowa Caucus in March instead of February, they could do that. If they wanted to have their Florida Primary on a Wednesday in April, they could do that too.

There are local races, state-wide races, referendums, ballot measures etc... all being on the ballot at the same time. The Democratic Party Caucus is just the most visible thing happening in Iowa next week. And in 4 years, win, lose, or draw in 2020, the Republicans will be held to the same silly structure.

Just start it on March 1. Have 10 elections in the upper Mid-west, on April 1, have 10 elections in the South East. On May 1, have 10 elections in the Southwest, etc... Mid July/Early August, have your conventions and be done with it.

It makes perfect sense.....I can only surmise that it would interrupt the current pay to play systems used by both parties and therefore would be in an uphill battle from the onset. But yes....it looks like a solid idea.

JO

I equate it to baseball. The product had grown pretty stale. Cincinnati used to have the first game every year. That changed about 10 years ago. They had re-alignment. There used to be no wild-card teams. That changed about 15 years ago. There used to be no inter-league play. That changed too. Yankee Stadium went Bye-Bye....by the time someone who is in elementary school today graduates high school, Wrigley, Dodger Stadium, and Fenway will likely be gone. Things change and life goes on. Usually for the better.

Institutions change. I (sad to say) think that it will take some prominent candidate's campaign bus sliding off an ice-covered highway in Keokuk resulting in mass fatalities to get the parties to pull the trigger on changing the order of the primaries. Much like the bridge that bypasses the Hoover Dam. The 9/11 attack necessitated the building of the massive bridge in the middle of nowhere. It was done relatively quickly given it's locale and the scope of the project.

Governor Walker commented that he simply didn't have the money to continue his campaign four years ago. Not so much the advertising and the events but the hotel rooms, the meals, the gas money to travel. While it is true that if you expand the arena to 10 states, those costs multiply, it is also true that there are larger pools of money and support to draw from over 10 states than one state. So given the model I layed out (subject to change of course), Walker could have found far greener-pastures (pun intended) in Wisconsin rather than Iowa.

So I think it will take some tragedy to get movement on this. In baseball, the "tragedy" was diminishing revenues--two teams were basically at death's door when the owners voted to contract the league!!! One of those teams won the world series this past year and the other team got a new stadium and was a playoff team recently (Twins and Expos).

 

[candycorn]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Seems like a wash between 4 years of 100% crazy from the blob or 85% crazy from Sanders. I vote for Sanders if hes on the ballot in November. Easy choice.

I'll write in Porky Pig

So you're voting for a Democrat then. (Pork) (pig)

(Pork) (pig)

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

True enough. I'll deal with the pork if the alternative is black reparations, high taxes and illegals getting social/medical services

Bernie is a "no" on reparations--just so you know.

 

[Polishprince]

Seems like a wash between 4 years of 100% crazy from the blob or 85% crazy from Sanders. I vote for Sanders if hes on the ballot in November. Easy choice.

I'll write in Porky Pig

So you're voting for a Democrat then. (Pork) (pig)

(Pork) (pig)

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

True enough. I'll deal with the pork if the alternative is black reparations, high taxes and illegals getting social/medical services

Bernie is a "no" on reparations--just so you know.

Bernie also used to be a "no" on Draconian Style Gun Control too, being from a state that has Sane gun laws. But now he is a full bore gun control freak.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I think it is funny that there are Trump supporters eagerly awaiting the "Durham" drop as a means to kill a Biden candidacy
while they ignore the evidence of Trump's corrupt acts which stares them directly in the face.

 

[imawhosure]

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
.

Ahh.... Great point..... I have some thoughts on this.
When it comes to household interest in the political process you are quite right....the average household is far too distracted by Dancing with the Stars and Tom Brady's dispute with Roger Goodell. I strongly believe that the elements for a third party are there and not the AOC brand either...but a middle of the road party composed of sane, compromising and reasonable people from all walks and avenues of life. I think the problem is that the money support has been neatly cleaved into to lumps that are definitively controlled by the two parties. For a while I though Pelosi and company were going to get steam rolled by the AOC branch of the party....but no the old Sea Hag still has sharp claws and she put the upstarts back in their place....THAT WAS NOT EASY.....
So the old party is still hanging onto control of the money and the influence without which no upstart party can survive I'm afraid. The only remedy would be to rally support from the small people in large numbers. Similar to what Bernie has done....the Dems really don't see Bernie as a Dem...that's why they keep stabbing him in the back when he starts to get off the ground. If he's smart he'll run as a write in this time if they screw him again.
Hey It worked for Murkowski. Don't get me wrong...I despise Bernie's politics but I admire his stamina and his
Trueness to his own positions. Some of the DC Troglodytes could take a lesson from him on that.

JO

I think that's at the root of it. A small number of maniacs who control the parties also then control the system. The rest of the country either (a) doesn't care enough or (b) doesn't want to join the shit show, and just stays out of it. They may vote for their party on a regular basis, but they're not engaged in the insane mechanics of it.

I no longer hold out much hope for a viable third party, so I'll just hope that some sanity will return. Ya never know.
.

Mac, I have a reasonable question I would like you to consider, and before shrugging it off, please read it carefully-------->

Most all conservatives and GOP have put forth a synopsis of what happened, and you also have asked what if it is correct what they said, about the start of this Russian collusion/delusion. For the most part as of this writing, more and more revelations are appearing that conservatives were on the correct track, even as the Democrats tried to insist none that happened and laughed, only to so far, be proven wrong.

IF, and yes that is an IF the rest of the story is true, you and I both know that Biden is a post toasty politically as of the Durham release if it is, and this no doubt will happen AFTER the Democrats Super Tuesday; meaning that even if Biden is in the lead, the number 2 contender will instantly take his place.

What will the Democrats do?

It is my humble contention (and at the very least Conservatives who support the fact that the Obama/Biden administration were the father and mother to the collusion/delusion) that if the revelations pull down a large part of the DNC, the Democrats will nominate Bernie for 2 reasons-------->

1. The young and every socialist in America voting will give them a punchers chance.

2. If and when they lose, they can blame it on Bernie and the Socialists, and Obama would parrot that also.

But what if the revelations do not pull down the DNC? What if the facts only encompass the former administration, and a few others so as the rest of the DNC can claim ignorance on the matter while showing outrage at what was pulled off, keeping them within striking distance of Trump?

Then it is my supposition that-------------> Their standard bearer is not at the current time running. They will invoke some sort of "special measures" for the good of the party, and the country. They will choose someone seen as a moderate, and may in fact choose some sort of Republican as his/her Vice-Presidential running mate. (maybe a stretch to far, but with special measures invoked, anything is possible)

It is my belief that the GOP and Trump actually have something, as if they did not, they would not be riding this horse so long. At some point they know they have to deliver, or their base will do what the Democratic base did and deflate.

We must all understand that contrary to popular belief, Trump and friends knew exactly what Mueller had, so there was no reason to deflect. They also have seen what evidence the Democrats had/have on the impeachment, so no reason to continue on with a big lie that could blow up in their face. Mac, they got something!

So, what are the Democrats going to do when it drops? It may actually be the BEST thing for the Democrats IF they can point to only a select few people like Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and Mcabe.

Why?

Because that will then give the Democratic center the ability for at least this cycle by using special measure because of the revelations, the ability to forth a candidate that might actually be able to beat Trump, without having to show themselves moving Left to kiss the a**es of the radicals in the party, creating soundbites for the GOP to paint them negatively!

If I understand your question -- I think it's "what are the Democrats going to do when some assumed revelations drop?" -- I guess it would depend on the severity of the facts. If they think they can spin their way out of it, that's what they'll do. If Biden clearly has to go, I don't know what that process looks like. Maybe the person who was #2 in the primaries gets it.
.

Biden will survive...DC is far too dirty throughout to allow him to go down on the level of charge being brought against him. Nobody want's a real system of laws down there....they would all be in jail.

JO

See, now I disagree with you!

Besides being a Socialist which is no crime at all, Bernie and Warren would have no problem holding Biden accountable. Neither would the far Left wing of the Democratic party such as AOC, Talib, etc. This would push one of their candidates so it seems, to the nomination.

We must ALL remember----------------> Neither moderate Democrats nor the GOP, want Warren or Sanders anywhere near the Presidency...……...and lets not forget Obama.

The hope is Biden, period! But if his past screws him/them, then what?

I have a personal belief that tells me to "never say never." but the fact of the matter is------->Bernie and Warren are UNELECTABLE! The Dems know this, so if revelations knock out Biden with THEIR HELP no doubt, then what?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Who here believes that if Bernie Sanders becomes our President, he will easily
enact all of his policy proposals?

How stupid do you have to be to STILL treat campaign promises
like they are going to be realised?

Sanders is an intelligent man who has integrity and knows
how to conduct himself. Trump is none of those things.

Sanders' policy proposals are aimed at making life for the least
among better. His entire focus is on making sure that power is
taken back from the wealthy donor class.

Trump is focused on dividing Americans.

The choice is clear.

He won't be able to. But if he does end up winning and the Democrats are able to take back the Senate, my hope is that we'll at least start discussing and seriously considering some of his proposals. While I raise my eyebrows at his answers of how he'd pay for his proposals, he's at least been consistent in what he's been talking about for almost his
political life. Hell, I'd settle for some serious Congressional hearings and debate, not just Mitch, Lindsay, and Ted spiking the ball and kicking the can down the road because it would anger their corporate masters and donors. Aging Baby boomers have too firm of a vice lock on the political process right now.

Trump on the other hand wouldn't know a policy position if it ran up to him and stole his nightly Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

I never liked Trump....but you do yourself no favors by trying to construct your own reality. Not liking a person does not render them all of a sudden stupid and inept.....you harm your own prospects by blurring your vision and very probably help the prospects of that which you misrepresent.
JO

Has nothing to do with like or dislike. I have no respect for Trump because he has no interest in being President of the United States and displays his ineptness and incompetence on almost a daily basis. If he made the slightest attempt to appear presidential, especially to our allies worldwide, became somewhat well read and knowledgeable about policy, and put his bloody phone down, I might start taking him seriously. This is just a popularity contest to him in addition to being a way to enrich his current holdings.

Republicans had multiple choices in 2016. Yet they chose the lying, grifting, corrupt fraud of a reality show host who backed into the office because of an unpopular opponent and a last minute assist from our own FBI director. GW might have been a bonehead who made lousy decisions as president, but I never once questioned the mans ability and his credentials to sit in the chair. And if this were Rubio, Cruz, or (Jeb) Bush, we'd be talking and arguing about policy differences...not whether or not they were competent.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Seems like a wash between 4 years of 100% crazy from the blob or 85% crazy from Sanders. I vote for Sanders if hes on the ballot in November. Easy choice.

I'll write in Porky Pig

So you're voting for a Democrat then. (Pork) (pig)

(Pork) (pig)

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
.

Stop it...Be honest Mac...one party is fucked up and one party doesn’t talk nice enough for you...right?

 

[Polishprince]

I think it is funny that there are Trump supporters eagerly awaiting the "Durham" drop as a means to kill a Biden candidacy
while they ignore the evidence of Trump's corrupt acts which stares them directly in the face.

Who wants to kill Sleepy Joe's candidacy?

Certainly not President Trump who has publicly stated he actually LIKES to compete against the slow and mentally deficient, guys like Biden.

And that's the major defect in the whole Democrat impeachment case. Its based upon the stupid theory that Trump is somehow "scared " of Biden, yet there isn't a scintilla of proof to assert that is true in the least.

 

[Mac1958]

Seems like a wash between 4 years of 100% crazy from the blob or 85% crazy from Sanders. I vote for Sanders if hes on the ballot in November. Easy choice.

I'll write in Porky Pig

So you're voting for a Democrat then. (Pork) (pig)

(Pork) (pig)

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
.

Stop it...Be honest Mac...one party is fucked up and one party doesn’t talk nice enough for you...right?

I think you really nailed it there!
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Seems like a wash between 4 years of 100% crazy from the blob or 85% crazy from Sanders. I vote for Sanders if hes on the ballot in November. Easy choice.

(Watch the retards squirm)
So Candy...which Trump policies are “crazy”?

 

[Manonthestreet]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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[Polishprince]

Republicans had multiple choices in 2016. Yet they chose the lying, grifting, corrupt fraud of a reality show host who backed into the office because of an unpopular opponent and a last minute assist from our own FBI director. GW might have been a bonehead who made lousy decisions as president, but I never once questioned the mans ability and his credentials to sit in the chair. And if this were Rubio, Cruz, or (Jeb) Bush, we'd be talking and arguing about policy differences...not whether or not they were competent.

And there is where you are wrong. The Republicans had only one choice in 2016, if they wanted to win, and that was Donald J. Trump.

If one of the others had been nominated, Mrs. Clinton would be President today.

And any of those men, had they been elected against all odds, would have been crucified as Literally Hitler. You forget how Dubya was demonized as Chimpus Khan? How Mitt Romney was going to supposedly put the blacks "back in chains" and return slavery to America?

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'll write in Porky Pig

So you're voting for a Democrat then. (Pork) (pig)

(Pork) (pig)

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
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Stop it...Be honest Mac...one party is fucked up and one party doesn’t talk nice enough for you...right?

I think you really nailed it there!
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I’m not trying to make you look stupid...I just think you should be clear.
You believe one parties policies are fucked up and one parties platform is clearly effective but they are mean...right?

 

[Mac1958]

So you're voting for a Democrat then. (Pork) (pig)

(Pork) (pig)

Both parties love their (Pork) and both sides are (pig)s.

It wasn't long ago that I would have told you that if things ever got this fucked up and both parties had completely lost their shit like this, a strong and viable third party would have emerged.

Wrong. Clearly we just don't care enough.
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Stop it...Be honest Mac...one party is fucked up and one party doesn’t talk nice enough for you...right?

I think you really nailed it there!
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I’m not trying to make you look stupid...I just think you should be clear.
You believe one parties policies are fucked up and one parties platform is clearly effective but they are mean...right?

No.

There. I gave you some attention.
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[iamwhatiseem]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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But it is exactly what the American people deserve.
The vast-vast-vast-vast number of American people are living under a rock. And when they occasionally look to see what is going on elsewhere, what they get is a corporate sponsored, agenda driven media that only misinforms. There entire purpose is to divide the public into two camps:
1) Those that support Democrats, and blame everything on Republicans so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
2) Those that support Republicans, and blame everything on Democrats so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
And the result of that is perfection. No one is actually critiquing the people they vote for, therefore the same people get voted in over and over no matter how much people are dissatisfied. As long as everyone always blames the other side - neither side ever changes.

 

[Mac1958]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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But it is exactly what the American people deserve.
The vast-vast-vast-vast number of American people are living under a rock. And when they occasionally look to see what is going on elsewhere, what they get is a corporate sponsored, agenda driven media that only misinforms. There entire purpose is to divide the public into two camps:
1) Those that support Democrats, and blame everything on Republicans so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
2) Those that support Republicans, and blame everything on Democrats so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
And the result of that is perfection. No one is actually critiquing the people they vote for, therefore the same people get voted in over and over no matter how much people are dissatisfied. As long as everyone always blames the other side - neither side ever changes.

Absolutely. We get the "leaders" we deserve. Not a good sign, huh?
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[Bruce_T_Laney]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

 

[Mac1958]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
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