Bernie Sanders, the Democratic Party, Trump & November

[iamwhatiseem]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

But it is exactly what the American people deserve.
The vast-vast-vast-vast number of American people are living under a rock. And when they occasionally look to see what is going on elsewhere, what they get is a corporate sponsored, agenda driven media that only misinforms. There entire purpose is to divide the public into two camps:
1) Those that support Democrats, and blame everything on Republicans so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
2) Those that support Republicans, and blame everything on Democrats so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
And the result of that is perfection. No one is actually critiquing the people they vote for, therefore the same people get voted in over and over no matter how much people are dissatisfied. As long as everyone always blames the other side - neither side ever changes.

Absolutely. We get the "leaders" we deserve. Not a good sign, huh?
.

It is bitterly disappointing for those of us stuck in the middle.
All we can do is sit back in exasperation bewildered that no one else can see what is going on.
It is soul crushing to see how America is transforming. How much we have lost due to the corporatism/globalism/elitism.
The Washington Democrat Party is two camps - The majority corporate Democrats, and the minority progressive lunatics that are actually driving the train into oblivion.
The Washington Republicans are united. United in status quo. Change nothing. Continue to prop up madness and whittle away at the middle class in the process.

 

[Mac1958]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

But it is exactly what the American people deserve.
The vast-vast-vast-vast number of American people are living under a rock. And when they occasionally look to see what is going on elsewhere, what they get is a corporate sponsored, agenda driven media that only misinforms. There entire purpose is to divide the public into two camps:
1) Those that support Democrats, and blame everything on Republicans so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
2) Those that support Republicans, and blame everything on Democrats so they never pay any attention to the people they actually vote for.
And the result of that is perfection. No one is actually critiquing the people they vote for, therefore the same people get voted in over and over no matter how much people are dissatisfied. As long as everyone always blames the other side - neither side ever changes.

Absolutely. We get the "leaders" we deserve. Not a good sign, huh?
.

It is bitterly disappointing for those of us stuck in the middle.
All we can do is sit back in exasperation bewildered that no one else can see what is going on.
It is soul crushing to see how America is transforming. How much we have lost due to the corporatism/globalism/elitism.
The Washington Democrat Party is two camps - The majority corporate Democrats, and the minority progressive lunatics that are actually driving the train into oblivion.
The Washington Republicans are united. United in status quo. Change nothing. Continue to prop up madness and whittle away at the middle class in the process.

We're just the kids in the cafeteria, trying to eat their damn lunch during a food fight.

Wondering how much cleanup will be needed when and if it ever ends.
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

You keep saying that and it’s sounds super cool and all...but tell us, what Republican policies are those framed by “MANIACS”?
Why do you refuse to talk policy?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

And the fault for that is the 24/7 media that cover the funny farm mental rejects...

The media is like a bad parent that gives attention to that one kid that should be knocked in the head but instead the coddled them and tell them it is fine and society is at fault for their bad behavior...

Of course if the public would also turn off the media then maybe the media will focus on the more sane politicians and not the nutters...

 

[Mac1958]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

You keep saying that and it’s sounds super cool and all...but tell us, what Republican policies are those framed by “MANIACS”?
Why do you refuse to talk policy?

I'm just tired of asymmetrical online conversations with nutters.

They bore me.

If you don't like that, tough shit.
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

You keep saying that and it’s sounds super cool and all...but tell us, what Republican policies are those framed by “MANIACS”?
Why do you refuse to talk policy?

I'm just tired of asymmetrical online conversations with nutters.

They bore me.

If you don't like that, tough shit.
.

Cool...so what Republican policies are framed by maniacs?

 

[Lewdog]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Here's the thing. People NEVER take into account that his Medicare for all costs that will raise a person's income taxes, will be offset by the fact they will NO LONGER have medical insurance costs coming out of their paychecks. It is just rerouted to a different place and it means companies, including a LOT of small businesses will then no longer pay to give their employees insurance and can pass that savings down to their employees in their wages, or they will be able to afford to hire more workers with the money. Then the Medicare for all will also lower prescription prices which saves people more there as well.

Sadly so many people just scream out the costs, but then doesn't break it down farther.

 

[Polishprince]

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

The Democrats and the media buried the "sane Republicans". The attacks on Mitt Romney and McCain as well as the Bush Family, calling them "hitler" and everything else, have made all of them basically unelectable.

OTOH, the Democrats have also buried the "sane Democrats". Guys like Joe Lieberman are routinely attacked as being "out of touch" with the party and worse, merely for TALKING in a civil way to GOP'ers.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Here's the thing. People NEVER take into account that his Medicare for all costs that will raise a person's income taxes, will be offset by the fact they will NO LONGER have medical insurance costs coming out of their paychecks. It is just rerouted to a different place and it means companies, including a LOT of small businesses will then no longer pay to give their employees insurance and can pass that savings down to their employees in their wages, or they will be able to afford to hire more workers with the money. Then the Medicare for all will also lower prescription prices which saves people more there as well.

Sadly so many people just scream out the costs, but then doesn't break it down farther.

That is fine if the system would not end up like the V.A. which it will...

 

[Mac1958]

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

The Democrats and the media buried the "sane Republicans". The attacks on Mitt Romney and McCain as well as the Bush Family, calling them "hitler" and everything else, have made all of them basically unelectable.

OTOH, the Democrats have also buried the "sane Democrats". Guys like Joe Lieberman are routinely attacked as being "out of touch" with the party and worse, merely for TALKING in a civil way to GOP'ers.

You seriously don't see Romney and McCain being attacked by the GOP?

Do you remember the celebration over "I prefer people who aren't captured"?
.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Here's the thing. People NEVER take into account that his Medicare for all costs that will raise a person's income taxes, will be offset by the fact they will NO LONGER have medical insurance costs coming out of their paychecks. It is just rerouted to a different place and it means companies, including a LOT of small businesses will then no longer pay to give their employees insurance and can pass that savings down to their employees in their wages, or they will be able to afford to hire more workers with the money. Then the Medicare for all will also lower prescription prices which saves people more there as well.

Sadly so many people just scream out the costs, but then doesn't break it down farther.

Govt is a;rdy stealing us blind from the giant pot of money we send em and not making an effort to account for it. Yeah lets increase their haul so they can feel bolder cause no one will miss just a "little"

 

[Correll]

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
.

The Democrats and the media buried the "sane Republicans". The attacks on Mitt Romney and McCain as well as the Bush Family, calling them "hitler" and everything else, have made all of them basically unelectable.

OTOH, the Democrats have also buried the "sane Democrats". Guys like Joe Lieberman are routinely attacked as being "out of touch" with the party and worse, merely for TALKING in a civil way to GOP'ers.

You seriously don't see Romney and McCain being attacked by the GOP?

Do you remember the celebration over "I prefer people who aren't captured"?
.

Romney and McCain were being assholes, joining in the attempt to control the primaries.


They deserved to be attacked, though saying they were attacked "by the gop" overstates the unity of the GOP.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Romney and McCain were part of the good ol boys club …..if that was your hope of salvation I dont see it

 

[candycorn]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

AOC, Talib....first term congresswomen from Democratic strongholds.

Sanders? A do-nothing senator from Vermont who has zero signature legislation.

I don't think that qualifies as examples of a political party going off the rails. You'd do better to point out the looney ideas to sieze guns, pay reparations, support every moronic "green new deal" policy that comes up. While the basis of these programs are set in good intentions---

We have to do something about guns
We have to do something about the environment

The conflation of the good intentions veers wildly to the left.

I always point it out when talking about the left...but the first thing you do when you get shot at in a school is call the police...guys with guns...to take out the guy with a gun shooting up your school. But when asked if they favor having an armed security officer on campus...the idiots say no. Its crazy.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
.

Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

AOC, Talib....first term congresswomen from Democratic strongholds.

Sanders? A do-nothing senator from Vermont who has zero signature legislation.

I don't think that qualifies as examples of a political party going off the rails. You'd do better to point out the looney ideas to sieze guns, pay reparations, support every moronic "green new deal" policy that comes up. While the basis of these programs are set in good intentions---

We have to do something about guns
We have to do something about the environment

The conflation of the good intentions veers wildly to the left.

I always point it out when talking about the left...but the first thing you do when you get shot at in a school is call the police...guys with guns...to take out the guy with a gun shooting up your school. But when asked if they favor having an armed security officer on campus...the idiots say no. Its crazy.

I am not against armed security at the Schools or metal detectors either...

Sanders is most likely winning New Hampshire and Iowa which mean he is a real candidate for the left.

Also stop using Hillary Clinton talking points please or is that you Hillary?

 

[Lewdog]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Here's the thing. People NEVER take into account that his Medicare for all costs that will raise a person's income taxes, will be offset by the fact they will NO LONGER have medical insurance costs coming out of their paychecks. It is just rerouted to a different place and it means companies, including a LOT of small businesses will then no longer pay to give their employees insurance and can pass that savings down to their employees in their wages, or they will be able to afford to hire more workers with the money. Then the Medicare for all will also lower prescription prices which saves people more there as well.

Sadly so many people just scream out the costs, but then doesn't break it down farther.

That is fine if the system would not end up like the V.A. which it will...

We don't know that for sure, but my point is that everyone yells about the cost to shut it down, and do not talk about the costs that will disappear to offset it.

 

[Lewdog]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Here's the thing. People NEVER take into account that his Medicare for all costs that will raise a person's income taxes, will be offset by the fact they will NO LONGER have medical insurance costs coming out of their paychecks. It is just rerouted to a different place and it means companies, including a LOT of small businesses will then no longer pay to give their employees insurance and can pass that savings down to their employees in their wages, or they will be able to afford to hire more workers with the money. Then the Medicare for all will also lower prescription prices which saves people more there as well.

Sadly so many people just scream out the costs, but then doesn't break it down farther.

Govt is a;rdy stealing us blind from the giant pot of money we send em and not making an effort to account for it. Yeah lets increase their haul so they can feel bolder cause no one will miss just a "little"

They wouldn't be taking more money from most of the people that pay taxes now... the new taxes would be offset by the high costs of private insurances premiums already coming out of paychecks, and as I said, when small businesses no longer have to also pay for their employees which helps them stay afloat, give raises, and higher more employees.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Here's the thing. People NEVER take into account that his Medicare for all costs that will raise a person's income taxes, will be offset by the fact they will NO LONGER have medical insurance costs coming out of their paychecks. It is just rerouted to a different place and it means companies, including a LOT of small businesses will then no longer pay to give their employees insurance and can pass that savings down to their employees in their wages, or they will be able to afford to hire more workers with the money. Then the Medicare for all will also lower prescription prices which saves people more there as well.

Sadly so many people just scream out the costs, but then doesn't break it down farther.

Govt is a;rdy stealing us blind from the giant pot of money we send em and not making an effort to account for it. Yeah lets increase their haul so they can feel bolder cause no one will miss just a "little"

They wouldn't be taking more money from most of the people that pay taxes now... the new taxes would be offset by the high costs of private insurances premiums already coming out of paychecks, and as I said, when small businesses no longer have to also pay for their employees which helps them stay afloat, give raises, and higher more employees.

Dont lie......if you actually believe that seek help

 

[eagle1462010]

I was listening to a short interview with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and the interviewer asked him how he was going to come up with the $60 TRILLION over ten years that he has promised out.

Anyway, to make a long story short, his answer was something less than clear or compelling. It did include raising taxes on Those Evil Corporations. As with some other Democrats, Sanders appears to be stuck in the 60's, before we were operating in a hyper-competitive global economy. Anyway, that stuff is for a different thread.

Taking a general look at the polls, and a look at the current crop of Democratic candidates, and the base of the Democratic party, those of us who aren't exactly fans of Trump or Trumpism might be getting a little nervous right about now. The Democratic party pretty much lost its shit when Trump won (that's also for another thread) and it does not appear to have located its shit in the interim.

The potential effects of Trump's actions in the subsequent four years pale in comparison (probably) to what happens in our Supreme Court and lower courts. I probably don't have to expand on that. But that's looming out there, pretty clearly.

These are serious times. If the Democrat party doesn't shit-can its loonier elements pretty quickly and clearly, it's possible that this November ain't gonna be good for non-Trumpsters.

There's today's rant. You're nuts for getting this far.
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Why Mac I appreciate the fact you noticed the insanity of finish reading any threads on this wonderful site...

Now with that written just remember when Reagan won he was Radical and now is considered moderate in today time to a RINO for those that worship at the altar of Trump...

Back when William Jefferson Blythe III won against George H.W. Bush many called Slick a communist nutter, and today he would be consider a blue dog Democrat...

So my point?

Simple, gone are the moderate voter for the Democratic Party and what is replacing them are the Cortez, Talib and Sanders and yes you should be scared to death!

BUT

On the flipside Trump and those like Trump should also scare the shit out of many but when you have lunatics like Cortez, Schiff and Waters leading the charge for the left, well shit Mac you then realize the crazies have taken over the mental ward!

Sooner or later America will add Socialist to it United States of America which will make it the United Socialist States of America... Right about when Cortez is elected as President...

I think there are plenty of sane Democrats out there, just as there are plenty of sane Republicans.

The problem is that they're being buried by the maniacs, because it's the maniacs who get virtually all the attention.
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You keep saying that and it’s sounds super cool and all...but tell us, what Republican policies are those framed by “MANIACS”?
Why do you refuse to talk policy?

I'm just tired of asymmetrical online conversations with nutters.

They bore me.

If you don't like that, tough shit.
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aka you don't want to go there as usual..............You continually try to label 2 tribes trying DESPERATELY to shift some of the blame for The Far left onto the other side......

There is NO COMPARISON there...............Which is exactly why you will never try to go head to head with examples of the right versus left in this country..............Eventually, you will say they are WORSE............and to some credit you admit they are destroying the DEM PARTY in this VERY THREAD...........

But ALWAYS..........ALWAYS you attempt to change the Narrative to the Right is SIMILAR to the Far Left...........Not by a Long Shot..........and you KNOW IT..........You aren't in the Middle........You are on the left trying to SHIFT BLAME.

 

[Mac1958]

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