Biden demands ban on ‘assault weapons,’ high-capacity magazines in first speech to Congress

[Doc7505]

Aaaaaand he's back. How many iterations of your 5 talking points will we have to live through this time?

You're right, but you left out that "danielpalos" also tries to deflect the issues.

 

[Dagosa]

Really?
Who is licensing Law enforcement?
Is it the State or Federal government that allows LEO to carry large capacity pistols and large capacity long arms?

You’re kidding me aren’t you. The training and certification ( usually your police ID) for law Enforcement
, which is sponsored by the FBI through the state police agencies for smaller towns, allows them to carry side arms and common unregulated federally, weapons. Major cities that train themselves, do so with state certified instructors, all under FBI guildline mandates in order to receive federal grants and training funding.

Weapons beyond what civilians carry, also require special training and licensing. What, are you so uninformed as to think if a federal Reg has mandates for full autos, they don’t also have them for law enforcement ? Even the military will not allow soldiers to carry a full auto without training during basic training and definitly won’t allow you to carry one unless under orders to do so.

Off duty, depending upon the state, both military and law enforcement must have the same permits to carry as they would for civilians In the state ( or country) they reside.

 

[Rigby5]

I hope you’re just joking. Many Police departments are licensed to have weapons that civilians need to be licensed for too. It’s laughable how afraid you guys are that you have to make up shit

All gun laws are supposed to be by state and local.
Any federal gun laws are prohibited by the 2nd amendment.

If you make federal laws that ban civilian ownership, then you also have to ban local police departments.
It is illegal to discriminate against individuals compared to police departments.
And police departments can not be licensed, only individuals can be.
Nor do police need any weapons at all.
No one attacks police.
But individuals can find themselves under attack easily, such as the Korean grocers during the LA Riots.

 

[Rigby5]

Our well regulated militia are the guard units. “ well regulated” cannot exist outside of tax payer dollars. You count afford one. There are as many as 7-15 support personel for every soldier. Really, we don’t even have universal healthcare. Where would a militia person go to take care of his little boo boo’s.

it’s hilarious listening to you guys talk about the militia and proposing all you have to do is practice shooting to have an effective one. They need in depth communication, transportation, healthcare, clothing, food and lodging. Laughable. Go to a guard base and count the support personel

The "well regulated militia" is NOT the National Guard.
The National Guard did not even exist until 1913.
The Founders did not want standing military, but citizen soldiers instead.
The National Guard are paid, so then are automatically corruptible, and NOT what the Founders said they wanted.

The amount of support a military unit needs is irrelevant.
Obviously the support needed would come from the community just like the troops would, if we were ever invaded.

 

[Rigby5]

And?

It doesn't make any difference what Biden demands, only Congress can enact firearm regulatory measures such as an AWB, which isn't going to happen.

The thread is just more lies and demogogery from the right.

Even if a president does not legislate, he can interpret regulations in abusive ways.
And clearly it should be very disconcerting to everyone to have a president essentially proposing treason.
Gun control is absolutely contradictory to the whole concept of a democratic republic.

 

[Dagosa]

The "well regulated militia" is NOT the National Guard.
The National Guard did not even exist until 1913.
The Founders did not want standing military, but citizen soldiers instead.
The National Guard are paid, so then are automatically corruptible, and NOT what the Founders said they wanted.

The amount of support a military unit needs is irrelevant.
Obviously the support needed would come from the community just like the troops would, if we were ever invaded.

That’s hilarious. Guess you were never in the military. It doesn’t matter what happened in 1913, it’s what is happening now. The amount of support is irrelevant ? Geesus, you can’t be serious. An activated guard unit by the gov. , can carry weapons under orders ANY WHERE IN THE STATE. If activated by the president, ANYWHERE HE ORDERS. GUARD UNITS ARE UNDER BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE AUTHORITY.

Your dufus little militia company can’t legally carry shit if it isn’t allowed and everyone of them are permitted, EVEN BY THE LOCAL TOWNSHIP THEY SET UP CAMP. You’re non Guard militia has NO SUPPORT OUT SIDE OF THE TOWNSHIP THEY RESIDE.

 

[Dagosa]

Obviously the support needed would come from the community just like the troops would, if we were ever invaded.

Ha ha. So if the “militia“ crosses your town lines, the community follows them ? WTF are you talking about ? Militia groups you’re talking about are useless dufus bozos waiting for a town to be invaded ? Hilarious.

 

[Rigby5]

You’re kidding me aren’t you. The training and certification ( usually your police ID) for law Enforcement
, which is sponsored by the FBI through the state police agencies for smaller towns, allows them to carry side arms and common unregulated federally, weapons. Major cities that train themselves, do so with state certified instructors, all under FBI guildline mandates in order to receive federal grants and training funding.

Weapons beyond what civilians carry, also require special training and licensing. What, are you so uninformed as to think if a federal Reg has mandates for full autos, they don’t also have them for law enforcement ? Even the military will not allow soldiers to carry a full auto without training during basic training and definitly won’t allow you to carry one unless under orders to do so.

Off duty, depending upon the state, both military and law enforcement must have the same permits to carry as they would for civilians In the state ( or country) they reside.

Wrong.
All anyone needs for a full automatic machinegun permit is to pay the huge price tag.
The license is only $250, but the manufacture is so illegally restricted that you have to pay at least an additional $5k.
It is just money.
Totally corrupt.
There are no additional classes, training, or background checks involved.

And NO, military and law enforcement are totally and illegally exempt. The do NOT have any permits at all. Permits are ONLY for individuals, and police and military do not have ANY individual weapons. For police and military, the weapons are owned by the arsenal and you request them as needed.

And no, off duty police and military are totally exempt from any permit requirement.
You really should have looked up at least some of this.
It is not hard.

Here are the most stringent requirements, which is for police wanting to carry on an airplane, according to TSA rules:
{...
To qualify to fly armed, unless otherwise authorized by TSA, federal regulation states that a law enforcement officer must meet all of the following requirements:

• Be a federal law enforcement officer or a full-time municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial law enforcement officer who is a direct government agency employee.
• Be sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal or immigration statutes.
• Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties.
• Have completed the TSA Law Enforcement Officer Flying Armed Training Course.

...}
And even the required training course is new. In the past, that was never required at all.

 

[Dagosa]

And NO, military and law enforcement are totally and illegally exempt.

Wrong buddy. They are not exempt from training and licensing and can only use them when under orders and in active duty. You can’t be serious making this shit up.

 

[Rigby5]

That’s hilarious. Guess you were never in the military. It doesn’t matter what happened in 1913, it’s what is happening now. The amount of support is irrelevant ? Geesus, you can’t be serious. An activated guard unit by the gov. , can carry weapons under orders ANY WHERE IN THE STATE. If activated by the president, ANYWHERE HE ORDERS. GUARD UNITS ARE UNDER BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE AUTHORITY.

Your dufus little militia company can’t legally carry shit if it isn’t allowed and everyone if them are permitted, EVEN BY THE LOCAL TOWNSHIP THEY SET UP CAMP. You’re non Guard militia has NO SUPPORT OUT SIDE IF THE TOWNSHIP AN$ STATE THEY RESIDE.

That is foolish because there is no such thing a federal or state authority in a democratic republic.
The ONLY legal authority that exists in a democratic republic, is that of defense of the inherent rights of individuals.
Any single individual is the source of the same rights that police and the military are borrowing delegated authority from.

Standing military are NOT supported by the Constitution and are actually totally illegal, a threat to the republic.

 

[Dagosa]

Wrong.
All anyone needs for a full automatic machinegun permit is to pay the huge price tag.
The license is only $250, but the manufacture is so illegally restricted that you have to pay at least an additional $5k.
It is just money.
Totally corrupt.
There are no additional classes, training, or background checks involved.

And NO, military and law enforcement are totally and illegally exempt. The do NOT have any permits at all. Permits are ONLY for individuals, and police and military do not have ANY individual weapons. For police and military, the weapons are owned by the arsenal and you request them as needed.

And no, off duty police and military are totally exempt from any permit requirement.
You really should have looked up at least some of this.
It is not hard.

Here are the most stringent requirements, which is for police wanting to carry on an airplane, according to TSA rules:
{...
To qualify to fly armed, unless otherwise authorized by TSA, federal regulation states that a law enforcement officer must meet all of the following requirements:

• Be a federal law enforcement officer or a full-time municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial law enforcement officer who is a direct government agency employee.
• Be sworn and commissioned to enforce criminal or immigration statutes.
• Be authorized by the employing agency to have the weapon in connection with assigned duties.
• Have completed the TSA Law Enforcement Officer Flying Armed Training Course.

...}
And even the required training course is new. In the past, that was never required at all.

Oh, now you’re making up shit for carrying weapons on a plane. First you say law enforcemen5 is totally exempt, then you say they have to be qualified to carry in a plane by the TSA.
You’re all over the place.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong buddy. They are not exempt from training and licensing and can only use them when under orders and in active duty. You can’t be serious making this shit up.

No soldier ever fills out and pays for a class III license when handed a full auto M4A1.
That is illegal, but that is what the US military does.
If you claim the military and police follow the laws imposed on everyone else, you are lying.
They do not pay the additional $5k extortion civilians have to pay, for example.
Their gun makers are exempt from that charge.

 

[Dagosa]

That is foolish because there is no such thing a federal or state authority in a democratic republic.
The ONLY legal authority that exists in a democratic republic, is that of defense of the inherent rights of individuals.
Any single individual is the source of the same rights that police and the military are borrowing delegated authority from.

Standing military are NOT supported by the Constitution and are actually totally illegal, a threat to the republic.

Where do you live ? In Ethiopia ?

You’re posting to someone who was a cop for ten years and in the military for ten years.
The guard units are under both federal and state control and there is no such thing as a militia with any innate rights outside if a municipality.

When the gov or president activated me, if I refused, I was going to prison while in the service. Tell me now there is no federal or state authority.

You NEVER SERVED YOUR COUNTRY DID YOU ?

 

[Dagosa]

No soldier ever fills out and pays for a class III license when handed a full auto M4A1.
That is illegal, but that is what the US military does.
If you claim the military and police follow the laws imposed on everyone else, you are lying.
They do not pay the additional $5k extortion civilians have to pay, for example.
Their gun makers are exempt from that charge.

You’re struggling reading the written word aren’t you. The military has federal regs it follows, local law enforcement has both state, local and federal regs. A local cop still needs to abide by federal regs to carry a full auto….,fool.

Military soldiers can’t carry full autos when not under orders. They can only carry their personal side arms under civilian permit laws when off duty and not under orders.

You are really struggling to read aren’t you.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong buddy. They are not exempt from training and licensing and can only use them when under orders and in active duty. You can’t be serious making this shit up.

Wrong. You totally miss the point. Of course the ranking police and military tell the low level police if, when, and how they can use weapons. But the POINT is that the ranking police and military do NOT at all follow the regulations and burdens places upon average citizens, and they essentially do what ever they want. Which is inherently illegal. The source of all legal authority comes from the bottom up in a democratic republic, NOT from the top down. You can not have police and military with any advantages as they have now.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh, now you’re making up shit for carrying weapons on a plane. First you say law enforcemen5 is totally exempt, then you say they have to be qualified to carry in a plane by the TSA.
You’re all over the place.

Wrong.
I said that in general, the police and military do not have to follow the same rules, restrictions, and costs that individuals do.
I used the TSA example to show the MOST stringent possible situation, and it is just 1 minor class.
There is no cost, license, or training.
I was trying to help you make your point for you, but it still obviously is not at all like ordinary citizens, and that is illegal.
No one can have additional legal authority above that of ordinary people, in a democratic republic.
In a democratic republic, government can NOT be the source of any legal authority, because the whole population is supposed to be the only source of all legal authority, the defense of their own inherent individual rights.

 

[Rigby5]

Where do you live ? In Ethiopia ?

You’re posting to someone who was a cop for ten years and in the military for ten years.
The guard units are under both federal and state control and there is no such thing as a militia with any innate rights outside if a municipality.

When the gov or president activated me, if I refused, I was going to prison while in the service. Tell me now there is no federal or state authority.

You NEVER SERVED YOUR COUNTRY DID YOU ?

I am NOT referring to the illegal way it is NOW.
I am referring to how it was the first 100 years of the US democratic republic, and how we no longer are a democratic republic, and that federal government has usurped authority they do not legally or originally have.

Just think back over history a bit.
Consider why troops from each state wore different uniforms in the Civil War?

The reason for these variances is that the troops were owned, uniformed, supplied, and trained by the states, not the federal government.
There is NOT supposed to be a standing federal military.
The current standing federal military is ILLEGAL.
Read what Founders like Jefferson say about it.
There is no question the democratic republic is under siege by an abusive federal government.
And that corruption has lead to dozens of illegal wars the US had no legal authority to be involved in.
Like the Spanish American war, WWI, Vietnam, the invasion of Panama, the invasion of Grenada, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

You’re struggling reading the written word aren’t you. The military has federal regs it follows, local law enforcement has both state, local and federal regs. A local cop still needs to abide by federal regs to carry a full auto….,fool.

Military soldiers can’t carry full autos when not under orders. They can only carry their personal side arms under civilian permit laws when off duty and not under orders.

You are really struggling to read aren’t you.

Wrong.
Local cops follow no federal regs, and there are not supposed to even be any federal regs.
When the military does not carry full auto, it is NOT under BATF regs.
It is under military regs that are not legal.

 

[Dagosa]

I am NOT referring to the illegal way it is NOW.
I am referring to how it was the first 100 years of the US democratic republic, and how we no longer are a democratic republic, and that federal government has usurped authority they do not legally or originally have.

Just think back over history a bit.
Consider why troops from each state wore different uniforms in the Civil War?

The reason for these variances is that the troops were owned, uniformed, supplied, and trained by the states, not the federal government.
There is NOT supposed to be a standing federal military.
The current standing federal military is ILLEGAL.
Read what Founders like Jefferson say about it.
There is no question the democratic republic is under siege by an abusive federal government.
And that corruption has lead to dozens of illegal wars the US had no legal authority to be involved in.
Like the Spanish American war, WWI, Vietnam, the invasion of Panama, the invasion of Grenada, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.

I don’t give a shit how it was 100 years ago. This is way it’s been. Just you thinking something is illegal, doesn’t make it illegal. You need to get a degree and get yourself appointed to the Supreme Court. Really, if think the way our military is funded and managed all over the world, you need to move to a non democrat society and out of here. We haven’t had a militia that was worth shit for hundreds of years, other then what we have now.

 

[Dagosa]

Wrong.
Local cops follow no federal regs, and there are not supposed to even be any federal regs.
When the military does not carry full auto, it is NOT under BATF regs.
It is under military regs that are not legal.

Ha ha
Hilarious. It’s turned into an incoherent babble on both sides of the fence. I have no idea what your point is. Move somewhere else then.