Biden says again, “the wealthy need to pay their fair share”

[hadit]

I see Democrats are blaming the 'rich' again. Do they have any new talking point that wasn't invented in 1972?

It's too bad the Forbes' flat tax was never adopted. That's the way to go.

What I think we need is a consumption tax in this country. The money will go strictly to our over spending and debt. People on the left love things like free college, paid time off, reparations, free medical care because they know they won't have to pay for it. If we all had to pay, you'd see how fast they'd realize nothing is free, and lose interest in having the federal government provide these things.

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objections.

It won't work because it doesn't address the underlying problem. No amount of tax revenue will stop these stupid shits in Washington from spending every last dime and continuing to borrow and spend more on top of that. And I have seen that 'dedicated to...' BS pulled at the state level. Oregon promised to dedicate lottery revenue to schools, which they did. Then they took all the money for schools that had been in the general budget and spent that on other crap. Hence the lottery revenue was a net new increase in overall taxation and spending, shocker.

My state did the exact same thing with the lottery.

Politicians spend nothing without the support of the people. Economist Walter E Williams put it best when he said "I'm going to run for Congress. My platform will be that if elected, I will bring no money back to my state. Would you vote for me?"

People overwhelmingly support spending they don't have to pay for. With a consumption tax, everybody has a horse in the race. Our consumption tax will be 10% of every dollar spent. You want free college? It goes up to 11%. You want a greener country, it goes up to 12%. You want healthcare for all, it goes up to 20% and so on.

If we actually had to pay for all this spending, people would refuse to support the politicians that needlessly spend money and that would help solve our spending problem. Some people want stimulus checks and an extra 600 bucks for unemployment. If it raised our consumption tax another percent, you'd see how fast the public would turn against Piglosi on such matters.

If we made two changes, there would be immediate and strident demands for spending reform:

1. Eliminate payroll tax withholding.
2. One of the tax payment deadlines falls the week before election day.

If everyone had to make those payments personally instead of just seeing their take home pay, they would realize how much they're really paying in taxes, even at minimum wage, and then a week after being required to make one of those payments they get to vote for or against the guys who decide how much that payment is.

That might have worked at one time, but based on what I see in stores, nobody pays cash or writes checks anymore except us older people. Everything is electronic and people just take those debit receipts and throw them in the garbage can on the way out of the store. If people had to pay the IRS directly because of no deductions, they would put an automatic transfer from their checking or savings account.

True that writing the actual numbers on a check would be most effective. Seeing that transfer from your account every so often, though, would have an impact unless people completely ignore their accounts.

 

[Dick Foster]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

 

[jc456]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I see Democrats are blaming the 'rich' again. Do they have any new talking point that wasn't invented in 1972?

It's too bad the Forbes' flat tax was never adopted. That's the way to go.

What I think we need is a consumption tax in this country. The money will go strictly to our over spending and debt. People on the left love things like free college, paid time off, reparations, free medical care because they know they won't have to pay for it. If we all had to pay, you'd see how fast they'd realize nothing is free, and lose interest in having the federal government provide these things.

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objections.

It won't work because it doesn't address the underlying problem. No amount of tax revenue will stop these stupid shits in Washington from spending every last dime and continuing to borrow and spend more on top of that. And I have seen that 'dedicated to...' BS pulled at the state level. Oregon promised to dedicate lottery revenue to schools, which they did. Then they took all the money for schools that had been in the general budget and spent that on other crap. Hence the lottery revenue was a net new increase in overall taxation and spending, shocker.

My state did the exact same thing with the lottery.

Politicians spend nothing without the support of the people. Economist Walter E Williams put it best when he said "I'm going to run for Congress. My platform will be that if elected, I will bring no money back to my state. Would you vote for me?"

People overwhelmingly support spending they don't have to pay for. With a consumption tax, everybody has a horse in the race. Our consumption tax will be 10% of every dollar spent. You want free college? It goes up to 11%. You want a greener country, it goes up to 12%. You want healthcare for all, it goes up to 20% and so on.

If we actually had to pay for all this spending, people would refuse to support the politicians that needlessly spend money and that would help solve our spending problem. Some people want stimulus checks and an extra 600 bucks for unemployment. If it raised our consumption tax another percent, you'd see how fast the public would turn against Piglosi on such matters.

If we made two changes, there would be immediate and strident demands for spending reform:

1. Eliminate payroll tax withholding.
2. One of the tax payment deadlines falls the week before election day.

If everyone had to make those payments personally instead of just seeing their take home pay, they would realize how much they're really paying in taxes, even at minimum wage, and then a week after being required to make one of those payments they get to vote for or against the guys who decide how much that payment is.

That might have worked at one time, but based on what I see in stores, nobody pays cash or writes checks anymore except us older people. Everything is electronic and people just take those debit receipts and throw them in the garbage can on the way out of the store. If people had to pay the IRS directly because of no deductions, they would put an automatic transfer from their checking or savings account.

True that writing the actual numbers on a check would be most effective. Seeing that transfer from your account every so often, though, would have an impact unless people completely ignore their accounts.

And they do, trust me, I see it on a consistent bases. As for myself, I always use cash for two reasons: one is nobody can steal my identity that way, and two is I have several tenants who pay rent in cash, and I don't like going to the ATM to deposit cash unless I have to. So I use that for spending money.

When I did use a debit card in the past, the receipt went into my wallet. When it got annoying enough, I would pull it out and deduct the debit from my checking account. I don't see people doing that today.

 

[ColonelAngus]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Isnt it funny how no left wingers will define what theor so called leaders are saying?

Its a simple fucking question....WHO IS WEALTHY AND WHAT IS THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES?

Crickets from the lying left.

 

[jc456]

Yep, they all disappeared from here, that's for sure. You know you're right when the crickets hit.

 

[hadit]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Isnt it funny how no left wingers will define what theor so called leaders are saying?

Its a simple fucking question....WHO IS WEALTHY AND WHAT IS THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES?

Crickets from the lying left.

They don't want to set a target for several reasons:

1. Because then they would have no credible reason to continue complaining when the target is hit. Basically, the answers are, "Anyone who has more then I do", and "More".
2. They haven't thought that far. They're coasting on feelz, and they FEEL that somebody needs to pay more, and since math is hard, that's as far as they go.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Fair is defined by who you ask. It's subjective.

Two people walk into a room with nobody there and see a cake on a table. A Republican would consider it fair if each of those people took half of the cake.

A Democrat would want to know how much money each one makes. They would want to know where they live. They would take note of their race. They'd want to know what kind of vehicle they drive.

Depending on how those two people answer the question, one might get the entire cake and the other one, nothing at all. That's what a Democrat thinks is fair.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Biden has pledged he will only serve one term.

so in 4 years, he will end racism, end covid, enact the green new deal, end climate change, and pass medicare for all? HA! HA!

He will die.

 

[jc456]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Fair is defined by who you ask. It's subjective.

Two people walk into a room with nobody there and see a cake on a table. A Republican would consider it fair if each of those people took half of the cake.

A Democrat would want to know how much money each one makes. They would want to know where they live. They would take note of their race. They'd want to know what kind of vehicle they drive.

Depending on how those two people answer the question, one might get the entire cake and the other one, nothing at all. That's what a Democrat thinks is fair.

technically, there is no such thing as fair. again, they know this. That's why they just blurt it out like ice cream trucks rolling down the road ringing a bell. They are just very stupid people. no one listens to that phrase anymore.

 

[initforme]

Should I care what the Uber wealthy pay? Why should I be concerned? They live separately from average folk and live by different rules. Not a complaint as we are a nation divided by economic classes first and foremost. That's the way it works.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Fair is defined by who you ask. It's subjective.

Two people walk into a room with nobody there and see a cake on a table. A Republican would consider it fair if each of those people took half of the cake.

A Democrat would want to know how much money each one makes. They would want to know where they live. They would take note of their race. They'd want to know what kind of vehicle they drive.

Depending on how those two people answer the question, one might get the entire cake and the other one, nothing at all. That's what a Democrat thinks is fair.

technically, there is no such thing as fair. again, they know this. That's why they just blurt it out like ice cream trucks rolling down the road ringing a bell. They are just very stupid people. no one listens to that phrase anymore.

Correct, only their fellow commies pay attention. Fair is equal for everybody. That's what fair actually means like my cake scenario.

If I go to McDonald's for a Big Mac combo, and Bill Gates is behind me in line doing the same. We both pay $5.99 for the Combo. He doesn't pay $100.00 and me $2.50 because of the drastic income difference. We both pay the same price. That's fair.

 

[ColonelAngus]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Fair is defined by who you ask. It's subjective.

Two people walk into a room with nobody there and see a cake on a table. A Republican would consider it fair if each of those people took half of the cake.

A Democrat would want to know how much money each one makes. They would want to know where they live. They would take note of their race. They'd want to know what kind of vehicle they drive.

Depending on how those two people answer the question, one might get the entire cake and the other one, nothing at all. That's what a Democrat thinks is fair.

And this is why the Dims call for “fair” taxes to be paid by the “wealthy”....its amorphous virtue signaling bullshit.

The useful idiot sheep of the left interpret this as: “If I vote for the Democrat, I will get more free shit.”

The left should just admit it. Just admit you are going to vote for the politician offering you the most free shit.

 

[jc456]

Should I care what the Uber wealthy pay? Why should I be concerned? They live separately from average folk and live by different rules. Not a complaint as we are a nation divided by economic classes first and foremost. That's the way it works.

so why use phrases like 'fair share' explain the technique to me.

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

Under socialism, wealthy is anyone who is working and pays taxes! Take a look at the tax rate in socialized European countries, in some cases the payroll tax rate is 70% or more. The taxes don't end with payroll deductions, they have many other ways of sticking it to the working class. For example, In England you must buy a TV license annually for every TV in your home. The government has an entire department whose sole job is to monitor the number of TV's turned on in your home and issue/collect fines.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Should I care what the Uber wealthy pay? Why should I be concerned? They live separately from average folk and live by different rules. Not a complaint as we are a nation divided by economic classes first and foremost. That's the way it works.

Tell the politicans on the left to stop saying “The wealthy mist pay their fair share.” You claim its no relevant to you, so maybe ask them to stop talking about it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Should I care what the Uber wealthy pay? Why should I be concerned? They live separately from average folk and live by different rules. Not a complaint as we are a nation divided by economic classes first and foremost. That's the way it works.

so why use phrases like 'fair share' explain the technique to me.

His first two sentences made the most sense: Should I care what the uber wealthy pay? No you shouldn't, and neither should I. Why should I be concerned? You shouldn't be. Worry about your own finances, not somebody else's.

 

[BluesLegend]

I see Democrats are blaming the 'rich' again. Do they have any new talking point that wasn't invented in 1972?

It's too bad the Forbes' flat tax was never adopted. That's the way to go.

What I think we need is a consumption tax in this country. The money will go strictly to our over spending and debt. People on the left love things like free college, paid time off, reparations, free medical care because they know they won't have to pay for it. If we all had to pay, you'd see how fast they'd realize nothing is free, and lose interest in having the federal government provide these things.

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objections.

It won't work because it doesn't address the underlying problem. No amount of tax revenue will stop these stupid shits in Washington from spending every last dime and continuing to borrow and spend more on top of that. And I have seen that 'dedicated to...' BS pulled at the state level. Oregon promised to dedicate lottery revenue to schools, which they did. Then they took all the money for schools that had been in the general budget and spent that on other crap. Hence the lottery revenue was a net new increase in overall taxation and spending, shocker.

My state did the exact same thing with the lottery.

Politicians spend nothing without the support of the people. Economist Walter E Williams put it best when he said "I'm going to run for Congress. My platform will be that if elected, I will bring no money back to my state. Would you vote for me?"

People overwhelmingly support spending they don't have to pay for. With a consumption tax, everybody has a horse in the race. Our consumption tax will be 10% of every dollar spent. You want free college? It goes up to 11%. You want a greener country, it goes up to 12%. You want healthcare for all, it goes up to 20% and so on.

If we actually had to pay for all this spending, people would refuse to support the politicians that needlessly spend money and that would help solve our spending problem. Some people want stimulus checks and an extra 600 bucks for unemployment. If it raised our consumption tax another percent, you'd see how fast the public would turn against Piglosi on such matters.

If they whacked people with a 24% consumption tax like other countries do that would put some major breaks on the spending. But I predict Washington would start wailing and crying and in short order we'd have all the old taxes at the old levels plus the 24% consumption tax on top of it. If they abolished the income tax and property taxes and amended the Constitution to chisel that in stone so politicians couldn't re-implement those taxes then I'd talk a consumption tax.

 

[BluesLegend]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

Except they don't pay 60%. The pay anywhere from 19 to zero.

Funny how the rich pay the vast
majority of income taxes without paying taxes.

How does that work?

Dems keeping demonizing the 'rich' because it works. Millions of dumb ass rank and file Dems actually believe the 'rich' don't pay their fair share, what idiots.

It is funny how idiots always buy the richest elites telling them that rich people are evil.

Somehow they forgot to ask Burisma Biden what his net worth is - and how is it possibly tenable that a public servant ended up with so much pork.

So he''s rich. But not nearly as loaded as the Rump kids or even the Walmart Kids. There is point here.

The Rich DON'T pay their fair share and it doesn't matter their partisan backing. They are Capitalist first an everything else second. And unchecked Capitalism is not a good thing.

well the point genius is if he felt as if he wasn't paying his fair share, he should have been giving more at tax time. it's really that simple. so the question is, why hasn't he?

I bring this up timeafter time after time.

WHY DONT RICH LIBERALS GO AHEAD AND PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE????

There is no maximum tax, only a minimum tax. Lead by example and pay what you think is fair! I am talking to Hillary, Joe,and every other liberal politician.

They arent lying frauds, are they? Why not lead by example?

I've been on that same page for years now in here. As of this moment, not one demofk on here has explained 'fair share' Not a fking one of em. They know it's a bullshit line. means absolutely nothing except to wip up hate at people who make money. I challenge again, any mther fking demofk on here to explain 'fair share'?

BTW, there will be a mass exodus of them commenting in here due to that challenge. happens every time. they have no fking guts to take on a subject.

When I already pay umpteen times as much as the average taxpayer for the exact same government services it chaps me when these Dems accuse me of not paying my fair share.

 

[BluesLegend]

What the hell does that mean? Is that actionable legislation?

Who is WEALTHY? What is their FAIR SHARE?

Millionaires living in California and New York pay nearly 60% of their earnings in taxes.

If thats not enough...what is enough?

Who is wealthy and what should they be taxed?

What Joe is saying is fucking meaningless drivel.

I'll tell you what I'll bet that most rich people would be more than happy, estatic even to pay their fair share and stop having to pay everyone else's too.

LOL, that's why a demofk in here will not touch that definition with a fking ten foot pole. They know they pay far and above their share. Fair or whatever they wish to call it.

Hell ask a Dem how much tax revenue would be enough, they never give an answer, just MORE.