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The Logan Act requires that specific policies be discussed by people not yet sworn into elected positions or employed by people sworn in. It doesn't matter whether they are prosecuted or not, so long as they are fired. I really doubt they'll be able to trace if back directly to Trump.First, show where the Logan act requires harm against the country to make it prosecutable...But not in office yet. There is only one president at a time. But fear not, no one will be charged with violating the Logan act... no one ever is.Stop with the freaking Logan Act. It only applies to unauthorized individuals. And last time I looked Trump and his team were elected.
Piss off. They were the official transition team and just as every other transition team forever were making contacts with global leaders and businesses.
Five calls to the Russian ambassador on the very same day as the president announced new sanctions and expelled diplomats.
Looks more like damage control and reassurance rather than standard transition contacts.
I want to know which of you libs are going to man up and tell us what the harm was in telling the Russians not to retaliate because Obozo's policy was not going to carried over into the new administration.
He mentioned sanctions and he was fired for getting caught. LOLHe didn't. He never mentioned sanctions.What happened here is what happens in police states.
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.
"In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports).
John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term.
The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern.
"There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said.
"From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
Get the fucking bastards!
The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn
So you're saying that Flynn didn't try to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russia?
So, he was fired for what then?
They're not going to prosecute him for lying to the FBI. And I find it a little strange Comey and not the DOJ makes that call.But wait. There's more. The FBI aren't going to file any charges against Flynn.
the perception of impropriety.He didn't. He never mentioned sanctions.What happened here is what happens in police states.
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.
"In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports).
John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term.
The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern.
"There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said.
"From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
Get the fucking bastards!
The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn
So you're saying that Flynn didn't try to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russia?
So, he was fired for what then?
irrelevant; he was an associate of a Person making a bid for political office.He mentioned sanctions and he was fired for getting caught. LOLHe didn't. He never mentioned sanctions.What happened here is what happens in police states.
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.
"In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports).
John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term.
The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern.
"There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said.
"From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
Get the fucking bastards!
The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn
So you're saying that Flynn didn't try to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russia?
So, he was fired for what then?
so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.actually, it was the whole campaign season, 3 Trump campaign people, Roger Stone, paul manafort, and gen flynn, kept in constant contact with Russian operatives the whole campaign... excessive contact.... beyond reason contact....during the campaign.Flynn's conversations were NOT "during the campaign season".. It was end of December or early January.
Yeah, and if a frog could fly, he wouldn't bump his ass!
I am sure you have absolute documentation of every one of their alleged conversations.
No, but I am sure there is documentation--LOL The Russian phone lines were wire tapped.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Logan Act - Wikipedia
It looks like there were a few of Trump's campaign aids that were in contact with high level Russian officials during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. They were unauthorized and in violation of the Logan Act.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
General Flynn was unauthorized to contact Russian officials because Trump had not been sworn into office yet. Then he lied about it.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
no one really knows. maybe just to get him out of the spot light. again, only trump can answer that, everything else is pure speculation. And right now, there is no investigation and there ought to be. let's get it going. right?the perception of impropriety.He didn't. He never mentioned sanctions.What happened here is what happens in police states.
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.
"In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports).
John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term.
The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern.
"There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said.
"From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
Get the fucking bastards!
The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn
So you're saying that Flynn didn't try to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russia?
So, he was fired for what then?
you have no idea he lied.WHY did Flynn feel it was necessary to lie to VP Pence about his discussions on sanctions with the Russian Ambassador? Why did Flynn LIE to the FBI about it if that too is true? Did he KNOW he was breaking the law, thus the lie to cover it up? Or did his boss tell him to lie to VP Pence so Pence could tell the lie to all of the American people on all the Sunday news shows?First, show where the Logan act requires harm against the country to make it prosecutable...But not in office yet. There is only one president at a time. But fear not, no one will be charged with violating the Logan act... no one ever is.
Piss off. They were the official transition team and just as every other transition team forever were making contacts with global leaders and businesses.
Five calls to the Russian ambassador on the very same day as the president announced new sanctions and expelled diplomats.
Looks more like damage control and reassurance rather than standard transition contacts.
I want to know which of you libs are going to man up and tell us what the harm was in telling the Russians not to retaliate because Obozo's policy was not going to carried over into the new administration.
you have no idea about anything. but hey, you keep thinking you do it makes you feel impotentThe obvious answer is that they were monitoring the Russian ambassador's calls, and Flynn got caught.
There are transcripts from the conversations. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots, and the O/P is as far from genius as one can get: if Flynn has nothing to hide then he wouldn't have had to resign and/or Trump wouldn't have fired him.
Was there some policy that was in place that amercans couldn't talk to russia?He didn't. He never mentioned sanctions.What happened here is what happens in police states.
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.
"In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports).
John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term.
The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern.
"There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said.
"From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."
Get the fucking bastards!
The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn
So you're saying that Flynn didn't try to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russia?
At FIRST Flynn denied he had spoken about Sanctions, that's what threw Pence under the bus during the weekend interview because Pence repeated that on National T.V. The very next day up pops the audio recording--Flynn had to apologize to Pence for throwing him under the bus (basically making him look like a fool on National T.V.) and then he resigned the very next day for misleading Mike Pence.
Then this comes out:
Flynn has denied that he spoke about the sanctions during his dialogue with the ambassador, but a senior administration official appeared to back off that denial late last week, saying Flynn doesn't recall discussing the sanctions but "isn't completely certain." Now either Flynn had the Russians on speed dial, and talked to them sooooo much that he can't remember a single conversation, or he's lying through his teeth, take your pick.
Right now we have Republican Senators in a total uproar over this demanding thorough investigations using subpoenas and everything else. So I am certain that Flynn's phone call to the Russian ambassador the day after Obama booted out all Russians, wasn't just a howdy doody call what's your weather like today--LOL
McConnell: Flynn investigation 'highly likely' in Senate committee - CNNPolitics.com
Senate Committee May Use Subpoenas in Russian Hacking Investigation
To add insult to injury they have the phone records of other Trump campaign aids that were also in contact with the Russians during the CAMPAIGN SEASON.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
Knowing that Russians don't vote or are able to make campaign contributions, it's not to hard to follow those dots to collusion with a Foreign Adversary to do a Cyber Attack on the United States to help the Comrade win the election.
Collusion with a Foreign adversary to do a Cyber attack on the United States is considered TREASON.
You Reich wingers really couldn't have found a worse candidate than Donald Trump, if you had gone out on a midnight scavenger hunt in search of one.
so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.actually, it was the whole campaign season, 3 Trump campaign people, Roger Stone, paul manafort, and gen flynn, kept in constant contact with Russian operatives the whole campaign... excessive contact.... beyond reason contact....during the campaign.
Yeah, and if a frog could fly, he wouldn't bump his ass!
I am sure you have absolute documentation of every one of their alleged conversations.
No, but I am sure there is documentation--LOL The Russian phone lines were wire tapped.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Logan Act - Wikipedia
It looks like there were a few of Trump's campaign aids that were in contact with high level Russian officials during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. They were unauthorized and in violation of the Logan Act.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
General Flynn was unauthorized to contact Russian officials because Trump had not been sworn into office yet. Then he lied about it.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
So, in your best assessment,so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.Yeah, and if a frog could fly, he wouldn't bump his ass!
I am sure you have absolute documentation of every one of their alleged conversations.
No, but I am sure there is documentation--LOL The Russian phone lines were wire tapped.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Logan Act - Wikipedia
It looks like there were a few of Trump's campaign aids that were in contact with high level Russian officials during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. They were unauthorized and in violation of the Logan Act.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
General Flynn was unauthorized to contact Russian officials because Trump had not been sworn into office yet. Then he lied about it.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
ACTUALLY -- If you retire as Chief Spy for the Pentagon (DIA) you should NOT be directly talking to potential adversary countries for a LONG time after leaving. UNLESS -- you're in a capacity to do so. And being on the advisory team of a NOMINATED Prez campaign as Nat. Sec expert --- is MORE than sufficient "need" to do that.
Of course, that would never faze MOST people who have been in trusted positions when they go back to Civilian status --- like ---- oh say ---- Ms Clinton ??
let's take that to a little different path, if trump had asked him to talk with the russian ambassador, why would flynn have had to lie like you said?So, in your best assessment,so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.No, but I am sure there is documentation--LOL The Russian phone lines were wire tapped.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Logan Act - Wikipedia
It looks like there were a few of Trump's campaign aids that were in contact with high level Russian officials during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. They were unauthorized and in violation of the Logan Act.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
General Flynn was unauthorized to contact Russian officials because Trump had not been sworn into office yet. Then he lied about it.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
ACTUALLY -- If you retire as Chief Spy for the Pentagon (DIA) you should NOT be directly talking to potential adversary countries for a LONG time after leaving. UNLESS -- you're in a capacity to do so. And being on the advisory team of a NOMINATED Prez campaign as Nat. Sec expert --- is MORE than sufficient "need" to do that.
Of course, that would never faze MOST people who have been in trusted positions when they go back to Civilian status --- like ---- oh say ---- Ms Clinton ??
Why did Flynn lie to the Press Secretary and lie to VP Pence right before he KNEW they were going before the newscasters on all the news shows,
to answer that very question on Flynn's discussions with the Russians,
if Flynn believed he was doing nothing wrong and just doing security work???
I can't make sense out of that, can you?
So, in your best assessment,so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.No, but I am sure there is documentation--LOL The Russian phone lines were wire tapped.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Logan Act - Wikipedia
It looks like there were a few of Trump's campaign aids that were in contact with high level Russian officials during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. They were unauthorized and in violation of the Logan Act.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
General Flynn was unauthorized to contact Russian officials because Trump had not been sworn into office yet. Then he lied about it.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
ACTUALLY -- If you retire as Chief Spy for the Pentagon (DIA) you should NOT be directly talking to potential adversary countries for a LONG time after leaving. UNLESS -- you're in a capacity to do so. And being on the advisory team of a NOMINATED Prez campaign as Nat. Sec expert --- is MORE than sufficient "need" to do that.
Of course, that would never faze MOST people who have been in trusted positions when they go back to Civilian status --- like ---- oh say ---- Ms Clinton ??
Why did Flynn lie to the Press Secretary and lie to VP Pence right before he KNEW they were going before the newscasters on all the news shows,
to answer that very question on Flynn's discussions with the Russians,
if Flynn believed he was doing nothing wrong and just doing security work???
I can't make sense out of that, can you?
it's exactly what he wants. it's why the leak was done in the first place.So, in your best assessment,so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
ACTUALLY -- If you retire as Chief Spy for the Pentagon (DIA) you should NOT be directly talking to potential adversary countries for a LONG time after leaving. UNLESS -- you're in a capacity to do so. And being on the advisory team of a NOMINATED Prez campaign as Nat. Sec expert --- is MORE than sufficient "need" to do that.
Of course, that would never faze MOST people who have been in trusted positions when they go back to Civilian status --- like ---- oh say ---- Ms Clinton ??
Why did Flynn lie to the Press Secretary and lie to VP Pence right before he KNEW they were going before the newscasters on all the news shows,
to answer that very question on Flynn's discussions with the Russians,
if Flynn believed he was doing nothing wrong and just doing security work???
I can't make sense out of that, can you?
Probably thought he was protecting the President from knowing that sanctions came up.. Might have done it because nothing of SUBSTANCE on that matter was exchanged. But there were likely other "team issues" involved. It's not a reality show to be played out like the Bachelor. With all the flirting and screwing visible to the public.
It's a matter of team building and trust probably. Most likely Flynn is STILL going before Congress. Even though there's NOTHING illegal here. It's a show you might want to watch.. Because it's gonna be boring as hell..
But MAYBE --- he'll answer that for you. BIG waste of Congressional time with everything else they SHOULD BE doing -- dontcha think????
I'm not so certain he will ever testify under oath...So, in your best assessment,so show me the statute that says private citizens can't talk to russia.No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
ACTUALLY -- If you retire as Chief Spy for the Pentagon (DIA) you should NOT be directly talking to potential adversary countries for a LONG time after leaving. UNLESS -- you're in a capacity to do so. And being on the advisory team of a NOMINATED Prez campaign as Nat. Sec expert --- is MORE than sufficient "need" to do that.
Of course, that would never faze MOST people who have been in trusted positions when they go back to Civilian status --- like ---- oh say ---- Ms Clinton ??
Why did Flynn lie to the Press Secretary and lie to VP Pence right before he KNEW they were going before the newscasters on all the news shows,
to answer that very question on Flynn's discussions with the Russians,
if Flynn believed he was doing nothing wrong and just doing security work???
I can't make sense out of that, can you?
Probably thought he was protecting the President from knowing that sanctions came up.. Might have done it because nothing of SUBSTANCE on that matter was exchanged. But there were likely other "team issues" involved. It's not a reality show to be played out like the Bachelor. With all the flirting and screwing visible to the public.
It's a matter of team building and trust probably. Most likely Flynn is STILL going before Congress. Even though there's NOTHING illegal here. It's a show you might want to watch.. Because it's gonna be boring as hell..
But MAYBE --- he'll answer that for you. BIG waste of Congressional time with everything else they SHOULD BE doing -- dontcha think????
and we responded to your comment explaining to you that Obama was the existing President and can not be accused of UNDERMINING HIMSELF.Oh? What violation was that?Obama leaned over on a hot mic to a Russian Ambassador before he was elected and told him "I'll have more flexible on this issue AFTER the election".. Did you cry and wimper about that "violation"?read or reread the Logan Act. Rodman didn't break it.C'mon. I'm here to learn and discuss reality. What the hell were they gonna "ARREST him for the Logan Act"??
You fucking jerking my chain? Dennis Rodman goes to N. Fucking Korea to chum with Kim Jung Insane and that's NOT Logan act? Has ANYONE ever been prosecuted under the Logan act?
Gen Flynn was RECENTLY the TOP SPY for the Pentagon as head of the DIAgency. You think he's a pawn of Putin? Get real...
The allegation, is Flynn discussed with the Russian Ambassador, the sanctions put on the Russians by President Obama for interfering in our election process, and Flynn advised the Ambassador to tell Putin that when Trump is president, he would take the sanctions off or be easier on them, and to NOT over react to the sanctions....
When Putin did not retaliate, the intel community was suspicious, because Russia always retaliated when we punished them....and could not figure out why the Russians reacted so differently than the norm...they pulled the eaves dropping records on the Russian envoy to see what they could find out.... in these recordings, there were conversations with Flynn.
Already answered --- the page after I said it. You REALLY should read the convo..
What he said to the Russian guy WAS the RIGHT and honorable thing to say and do....in respect of the Presidential election process of the USA.... wait, see if I am reelected....I don't want to hamstring the next President, in case I lose...
should they hire tax attorneys?we just don't know everything that is going on here....look at coyote's response, I agree with all that she said.well, set your personal fears aside, and let us have an open, independent, investigation. Tell your representative!
It APPEARS that partisans in the Intel Community are actually running a covert operation to destabilize and delegitimize the election. That's the only way that all these "leaks" and daily disinformation is stoking the news cycle.
What you see publicly is that this is a DOMESTIC INSURGENCY and not necessarily a foreign one because of the # of agencies COOPERATING in these leaks and disinformation. And the fear I personally have is that the public is YET to see is the YEARS and MOUNTAINS of comprising, embarrassing, and bomb-making material that the 2 corrupt parties have bottled up in the Intel agencies. They've used this blackmail against EACH OTHER to hobble the operation, honesty and efficiency of our govt. And in EFFECT -- most of the current leadership and past party leadership would be collateral damage if this mountain of shit ever got released.
Leadership in America is now compromised in a way that any normal official in a position of power would LOSE their clearances instantaneously. Not just Gen Flynn..
And if by CHANCE -- Russia decided to STOKE an all-out destabilization, my opinion is, their PREFERRED outcome would be to contribute to the rise of a true "socialist friendly" party. One that continues to lurch farther left and is friendly to the idea of re-creating the OLD Soviet Union that Putin desires.
But that's just me talking.. We might yet find out why Saddam was REALLY hated by both BillyJeff Clinton and the Bushes. Or who was behind those anthrax attacks or even ---- who killed JFK..
it's weird that early on, all the clinton investigation intel leaks, and comey's actions, they truly did NOT want Clinton....and something changed....what happened?
I disagree. They did everything they could to protect her. The media were complicit as well. I would love to see a legit, non partisan investigation into what she did.
The FBI still has a full blown investigation going on concerning the scam aka the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Foundation.
Is Mr. Rodman going to run for president? There is a difference.leak or arrest him for breaking federal law, the Logan Act....maybe they thought leaking 'something's up', without leaking the actual conversation, after giving the President 2 weeks to do something, would be better than arresting the president's national security adviser on national tv.?Heroes dont leak intel intercepts on incoming admins to the public. Heroes don't leak DAILY propaganda obtained by intel sources and methods to keep the "russian threat" in the news cycle.
REMEMBER, the intel community KNOWS what is on these recordings of flynn's and the russian ambassador's....
They take an oath to protect us from foreign and DOMESTIC threats...
and the senate intelligence community or an independent committee investigating, will know as well, hopefully, and can sort this all out....
I DO NOT LIKE all of these leaks at all....I've NEVER seen anything like it!!! HOWEVER, this only sets the alarm off in my head that this is more, MUCH MORE than sour grapes on Obama being gone or Hillary losing...
C'mon. I'm here to learn and discuss reality. What the hell were they gonna "ARREST him for the Logan Act"??
You fucking jerking my chain? Dennis Rodman goes to N. Fucking Korea to chum with Kim Jung Insane and that's NOT Logan act? Has ANYONE ever been prosecuted under the Logan act?
Gen Flynn was RECENTLY the TOP SPY for the Pentagon as head of the DIAgency. You think he's a pawn of Putin? Get real...
Give me a break. You need to read up on the Logan Act. It applies only to those individuals who are not authorized to deal with foreign nations.
Trump was freaking elected and he appointed Flynn who was then by virtue of his appointment authorized to speak with foreign entities. Which he did.
You don't speak with Foreign Adversary's UNTIL you're sworn into office--dumbass. An attempt to do so, is a National Security breach, and looked upon as trying to usurp the current administration's constitutional authority over foreign policy issues.
And clearly Campaign aids during the Campaign Season were in constant contact with high level Russian officials, and they have the phone records, along with the audio conversations to prove it. Since Russians do not vote in this country, nor can they make a campaign donations, it's fairly clear what those conversations were about.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
No Oreo, without knowing the content of those conversations with Trump campaign people, you can NOT say that they broke the Logan Act...you do not know that they were trying to undermine the President and or our USA Policy.... simply making connections with them is NOT breaking the LAW.actually, it was the whole campaign season, 3 Trump campaign people, Roger Stone, paul manafort, and gen flynn, kept in constant contact with Russian operatives the whole campaign... excessive contact.... beyond reason contact....during the campaign.Flynn's conversations were NOT "during the campaign season".. It was end of December or early January.
Yeah, and if a frog could fly, he wouldn't bump his ass!
I am sure you have absolute documentation of every one of their alleged conversations.
No, but I am sure there is documentation--LOL The Russian phone lines were wire tapped.
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.[2] The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
Logan Act - Wikipedia
It looks like there were a few of Trump's campaign aids that were in contact with high level Russian officials during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. They were unauthorized and in violation of the Logan Act.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
General Flynn was unauthorized to contact Russian officials because Trump had not been sworn into office yet. Then he lied about it.
If Flynn was undermining USA existing policy when he spoke with the Ambassador the day the sanctions were issued for the Russians hacking the DNC and disbursement of the stolen emails, then Flynn could have been in violation of the Logan Act....Flynn possibly believed he was in violation for it, and this is why he did not fess up to Pence when VP Pence was was specifically questioning Flynn about it before he went live on the Sunday TV SHOWS.
Sweet Baby Jesus--we already know that Flynn contacted the Russian Ambassador the day after Obama threw out all Russian Diplomats out of this country. Flynn (as a private citizen) did NOT have authorization to make that phone call. There is a audio recording of what was said, and that's why INVESTIGATIONS are flying out of every corner We have REPUBLICANS on the Senate Intelligence committee OUTRAGED over this.
We had the REPUBLICAN Senate in full throttle demanding more sanctions against Russia at the same time that Flynn made that phone call. He was trying to usurp their authority.
Now we know that it wasn't just Flynn that had been in contact with the Russians, but also Trump campaign aids that were in contact with them during the CAMPAIGN SEASON. What the hell were they doing calling Russians?
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com
