Bill Maher: New Rules for Teabaggers

[boedicca]

Specific evidence, please, because your statement is apparently false.

Enlighten us.

18% of Americans self-identify as Tea Party Supporters.

In April, 2010, a New York Times/CBS poll found that Tea Party supporters are wealthier, more educated, more conservative and more likely to be Republican than the general public.[110]The poll, which was said to be the “first reliable look at the tea party supporters” by the Los Angeles Times, [111] found that:

* 18% or about 1 in 5 Americans consider themselves Tea Party supporters.

Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

72.4% of the U.S. is over age 20, making the adult population approximately 223M. 18% of 223M is 40M. 40M people in the U.S. are Tea Party Supporters. On January 1, 2009, this figure was 0. That is quite a growth rate.

Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Organizing for America, which is a largely a recycling of the Obama Campaign database, has 13 million members.

13 million email addresses from Obama campaign, unknown membership

Organizing for America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

40M is a much bigger number than 13M.

Perhaps someday you'll learn that I don't post things which are not factual.

Extrapolation of believing in similar principles is not the same as identifying with a particular party.

Give us an unequivocal proof that 50 millions of Americans agree with the Tea Party.

You can't.

I didn't say 50M. I said 40M, and have already provided the proof.

 

[Modbert]

No, they will support Conservative Candidates for the most part.

And that's the fun part, how does one "define" Conservative? Small-Government? Or their brand of Small-Government?

That's the hilarious thing about all of this. I keep hearing small government and lower taxes. Taxes are at their lowest point federally in the past sixty years.

No. They will run as Republicans or vote for Republicans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

18% of Americans self-identify as Tea Party Supporters.

In April, 2010, a New York Times/CBS poll found that Tea Party supporters are wealthier, more educated, more conservative and more likely to be Republican than the general public.[110]The poll, which was said to be the “first reliable look at the tea party supporters” by the Los Angeles Times, [111] found that:

* 18% or about 1 in 5 Americans consider themselves Tea Party supporters.

Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

72.4% of the U.S. is over age 20, making the adult population approximately 223M. 18% of 223M is 40M. 40M people in the U.S. are Tea Party Supporters. On January 1, 2009, this figure was 0. That is quite a growth rate.

Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Organizing for America, which is a largely a recycling of the Obama Campaign database, has 13 million members.

13 million email addresses from Obama campaign, unknown membership

Organizing for America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

40M is a much bigger number than 13M.

Perhaps someday you'll learn that I don't post things which are not factual.

Extrapolation of believing in similar principles is not the same as identifying with a particular party.

Give us an unequivocal proof that 50 millions of Americans agree with the Tea Party.

You can't.

I didn't say 50M. I said 40M, and have already provided the proof.

No, you have not. Saying it does not make it so, but if it were, then at least 95% of that would be folks to the right and far right. Unimportant.

 

[Sherry]

Poor Doggie. He doesn't realize that these people will vote, and that votes matter.

Carry on.

Yes, they will vote Republican for the most part, as they always have. Real "change" there.

Except that they don't want the same sort of Republicans. So if they can influence the sort of candidates who run, then they will have produced a change.

 

[boedicca]

Extrapolation of believing in similar principles is not the same as identifying with a particular party.

Give us an unequivocal proof that 50 millions of Americans agree with the Tea Party.

You can't.

I didn't say 50M. I said 40M, and have already provided the proof.

No, you have not. Saying it does not make it so, but if it were, then at least 95% of that would be folks to the right and far right. Unimportant.

Yes, I have provided proof - but you lack the intellectual capacity to grok it.

That's your issue, not mine.

 

[Modbert]

Except that they don't want the same sort of Republicans. So if they can influence the sort of candidates who run, then they will have produced a change.

That's right, they want Republicans who are more right wing. I wonder what's going to happen when tea party candidate views on social issues start conflicting with the small government mantra. Get the spin machine ready for that one.

 

[Sherry]

Except that they don't want the same sort of Republicans. So if they can influence the sort of candidates who run, then they will have produced a change.

That's right, they want Republicans who are more right wing. I wonder what's going to happen when tea party candidate views on social issues start conflicting with the small government mantra. Get the spin machine ready for that one.

I see it as a movement more interested in fiscal conservatism, and less about social conservatism.

 

[boedicca]

Except that they don't want the same sort of Republicans. So if they can influence the sort of candidates who run, then they will have produced a change.

That's right, they want Republicans who are more right wing. I wonder what's going to happen when tea party candidate views on social issues start conflicting with the small government mantra. Get the spin machine ready for that one.

I see it as a movement more interested in fiscal conservatism, and less about social conservatism.

That is correct. The TPM is focused on fiscal and economic issues.

 

[Modbert]

I see it as a movement more interested in fiscal conservatism, and less about social conservatism.

But see, it's just not that simple. Any elected official is just not going to be dealing with fiscal issues. Especially if they are elected to Congress and or the Presidency.

That's a side of the tea party that not many want to talk about. Because when you're not Pro-Choice, you're Anti-Civil Union, Anti-Gambling, Anti-Porn, and want Intelligent Design being forced into schools, the whole "Small Government" mantra looks a little less sleek.

Or if you don't want to stop the War on Drugs, or expand Defense Spending, and I could go on really.

The reason why the tea parties for the most part are sticking to the taxes issue at the moment (despite taxes being at their lowest federally in sixty years) is because nobody likes to pay taxes. It's a safe issue to attack. However, once you venture outside of that, things are going to get muddled and it will sure be entertaining when it does.

 

[Sherry]

I see it as a movement more interested in fiscal conservatism, and less about social conservatism.

But see, it's just not that simple. Any elected official is just not going to be dealing with fiscal issues. Especially if they are elected to Congress and or the Presidency.

That's a side of the tea party that not many want to talk about. Because when you're not Pro-Choice, you're Anti-Civil Union, Anti-Gambling, Anti-Porn, and want Intelligent Design being forced into schools, the whole "Small Government" mantra looks a little less sleek.

Or if you don't want to stop the War on Drugs, or expand Defense Spending, and I could go on really.

The reason why the tea parties for the most part are sticking to the taxes issue at the moment (despite taxes being at their lowest federally in sixty years) is because nobody likes to pay taxes. It's a safe issue to attack. However, once you venture outside of that, things are going to get muddled and it will sure be entertaining when it does.

I don't know. This could be a great opportunity for the Republican Party to move away from the moral high ground. Too many conservatives I know care less and less about that stuff in comparison to the economic side. Maybe they are being forced to do a priority check.

 

[Modbert]

I don't know. This could be a great opportunity for the Republican Party to move away from the moral high ground. Too many conservatives I know care less and less about that stuff in comparison to the economic side. Maybe they are being forced to do a priority check.

Like I said previously, good luck with that.

Republicans like Gary Johnston (whom I support) will never get the support of the majority of the party or even from the tea party folk. If you recall, Barry Goldwater (one of the last true Conservatives) said he would one day be considered a Liberal in his own party. And if he were around today, he would be considered as such.

 

[Sherry]

I don't know. This could be a great opportunity for the Republican Party to move away from the moral high ground. Too many conservatives I know care less and less about that stuff in comparison to the economic side. Maybe they are being forced to do a priority check.

Like I said previously, good luck with that.

Republicans like Gary Johnston (whom I support) will never get the support of the majority of the party or even from the tea party folk. If you recall, Barry Goldwater (one of the last true Conservatives) said he would one day be considered a Liberal in his own party. And if he were around today, he would be considered as such.

If we were just talking about the Republican Party, it might be a wasted effort. However, within the Republican Party, some have moved more towards the center on social issues. I know some who don't care if we all have civil union contracts, and then find a religious institution if you want a ceremony to have your higher power bless it. I also know plenty who aren't trying to keep anyone down, and who enjoy gambling and/or porn. It's too bad that even the religious Republicans who weren't comfortable with all of the moral authority stuff from a generation ago sat quietly by. I think the most influence on the party though will come from those who consider themselves Independent and will move toward the Republican side if they can keep their voices strong enough to maintain the attention of the GOP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

All parties change, and so will the Republicans. I believe it was PBS that reported something like 10 - 15% of American adults, 18 to 34, go to church at least once a month. That means almost an entire generation of unchurched Americans will be making the decisions beginning the next ten years. I doubt they are going to be impresses with the social conservative values ideology. If not, then the GOP, in order to compete, must move toward the center not the right.

Let the far right conservatives start their own party.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All parties change, and so will the Republicans. I believe it was PBS that reported something like 10 - 15% of American adults, 18 to 34, go to church at least once a month. That means almost an entire generation of unchurched Americans will be making the decisions beginning the next ten years. I doubt they are going to be impresses with the social conservative values ideology. If not, then the GOP, in order to compete, must move toward the center not the right.

Let the far right conservatives start their own party.

Moving to the center worked great for Juan McCain! He got outflanked to the right by a genuine Marxist

Jake, thanks for your advise, I'm sure your friends at Media Matters, the DU, the DNC, etc all get a big kick out it.

Now kindly pack up your "I'm really, truly a Republican" Act and go fuck yourself.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yes, I have provided proof - but you lack the intellectual capacity to grok it.

That's your issue, not mine.

Seriously.

Is your dorkometer pegged out after that last post?

 

[JakeStarkey]

boedicca is has GDD: grok deficit disorder.

 

[geauxtohell]

boedicca is has GDD: grok deficit disorder.

I've got to be honest and say I couldn't make it through Stranger. I thought it sucked and put it down about 1/2 way through it. I know some people say it changed there lives. I thought it was torture.

I thought Starship Troopers was brilliant though.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Starship Troopers defined my introduction to science fiction. I still read a few pages each year.

 

[blu]

he can't help it you like having balls drug across your face

 

[geauxtohell]

Starship Troopers defined my introduction to science fiction. I still read a few pages each year.

I am not a huge Sci-Fi fan, but I'd have to say 2001 is my favorite Sci Fi book.