Black September

[PoliticalChic]

I have rarely found you to know what you are talking about.

This, of course, is simply one more example of same.

It is difficult to refer to it as an 'invasion' if the land was purchased.


"Until the passage of the Turkish Land Registry Law in 1858,
there were no official deeds to attest to a man's legal title to a parcel
of land; tradition alone had to suffice to establish such title— and
usually it did. And yet, the position of Palestine's farmers was a
precarious one, for there were constant blood-feuds between families,
clans and entire villages, as well as periodic incursions by rapacious Bedouin tribes...


When considering Jewish land purchases and settlements, four
factors should be borne in mind:

(1) Most of the land purchases involved large tracts belonging to
absentee owners. (Virtually all of the Jezreel Valley, for
example, belonged in 1897 to only two persons: the eastern
portion to the Turkish Sultan, and the western part to the
richest banker in Syria, Sursuk "the Greek".)


(2) Most of the land purchased had not been cultivated previously
because it was swampy, rocky, sandy or, for some other reason,
regarded as uncultivable. This is supported by the findings of
the Peel Commission Report (p. 242): "The Arab charge that
the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land
cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange
groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it
was purchased . . . there was at the time at least of the earlier
sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the re-
sources or training needed to develop the land." (1937)


(3) While, for this reason, the early transactions did not involve
unduly large sums of money, the price of land began to rise
as Arab landowners took advantage of the growing demand for
rural tracts. The resulting infusion of capital into the
Palestinian economy had noticeable beneficial effects on the
standard of living of all the inhabitants.


(4) The Jewish pioneers introduced new farming methods which
improved the soil and crop cultivation and were soon emulated
by Arab farmers.


(According to the
Turkish census of 1875, by that time Jews already constituted a
majority of the population of Jerusalem and by 1905 comprised
two-thirds of its citizens. The Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1910
gives the population figure as 60,000, of whom 40,000 were Jews.)"
http://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/the-case-for-israel-appendix2.pdf

 

[georgephillip]

I have rarely found you to know what you are talking about.

This, of course, is simply one more example of same.

It is difficult to refer to it as an 'invasion' if the land was purchased.


"Until the passage of the Turkish Land Registry Law in 1858,
there were no official deeds to attest to a man's legal title to a parcel
of land; tradition alone had to suffice to establish such title— and
usually it did. And yet, the position of Palestine's farmers was a
precarious one, for there were constant blood-feuds between families,
clans and entire villages, as well as periodic incursions by rapacious Bedouin tribes...


When considering Jewish land purchases and settlements, four
factors should be borne in mind:

(1) Most of the land purchases involved large tracts belonging to
absentee owners. (Virtually all of the Jezreel Valley, for
example, belonged in 1897 to only two persons: the eastern
portion to the Turkish Sultan, and the western part to the
richest banker in Syria, Sursuk "the Greek".)


(2) Most of the land purchased had not been cultivated previously
because it was swampy, rocky, sandy or, for some other reason,
regarded as uncultivable. This is supported by the findings of
the Peel Commission Report (p. 242): "The Arab charge that
the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land
cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange
groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it
was purchased . . . there was at the time at least of the earlier
sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the re-
sources or training needed to develop the land." (1937)


(3) While, for this reason, the early transactions did not involve
unduly large sums of money, the price of land began to rise
as Arab landowners took advantage of the growing demand for
rural tracts. The resulting infusion of capital into the
Palestinian economy had noticeable beneficial effects on the
standard of living of all the inhabitants.


(4) The Jewish pioneers introduced new farming methods which
improved the soil and crop cultivation and were soon emulated
by Arab farmers.


(According to the
Turkish census of 1875, by that time Jews already constituted a
majority of the population of Jerusalem and by 1905 comprised
two-thirds of its citizens. The Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1910
gives the population figure as 60,000, of whom 40,000 were Jews.)"
http://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/the-case-for-israel-appendix2.pdf

Mandate Palestine in 1948:
650,000 Jews.
1.3 million Arabs.
Therefore: Jewish state
See where this problem began yet?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I see only one of those 'throw everything against the wall.....see if anything sticks' posts.

Your post responds in no way to the post you supposedly 'replied' to.

If the Arabs and whoever 'owned' the land sold it....at inflated prices to the 'zionists,'.....on what basis do the apologists for corruption and violence, you, have a gripe???

Where's the beef?

 

[Sally]

I see only one of those 'throw everything against the wall.....see if anything sticks' posts.

Your post responds in no way to the post you supposedly 'replied' to.

If the Arabs and whoever 'owned' the land sold it....at inflated prices to the 'zionists,'.....on what basis do the apologists for corruption and violence, you, have a gripe???

Where's the beef?

You can see that Gaza George is like a parrot. The same squawking all the time like a broken record. Meanwhile, on this Middle East forum it is quite evident that he cares nothing about the innocent Arabs who have been killed and wounded by other Arabs. This shows that his main concern is not really the Palestinian Arabs, but in trying to show his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, in a bad light.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems so to me, as well.

There is a bitter, angry Jew-hatred......

....actually, since there is no objectivity behind it.....

...I bet there is an interest subjective tale behind it.
I wish he'd relate it.

 

[georgephillip]

I see only one of those 'throw everything against the wall.....see if anything sticks' posts.

Your post responds in no way to the post you supposedly 'replied' to.

If the Arabs and whoever 'owned' the land sold it....at inflated prices to the 'zionists,'.....on what basis do the apologists for corruption and violence, you, have a gripe???

Where's the beef?

Zionism, in a nutshell (in order for you to get it)

"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future.

"I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists... Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

Why do some Jews imagine Zionism without violence could ever exist in Palestine whether before or after the establishment of the Jewish state?

The Iron Wall Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Sally]

I see only one of those 'throw everything against the wall.....see if anything sticks' posts.

Your post responds in no way to the post you supposedly 'replied' to.

If the Arabs and whoever 'owned' the land sold it....at inflated prices to the 'zionists,'.....on what basis do the apologists for corruption and violence, you, have a gripe???

Where's the beef?

Zionism, in a nutshell (in order for you to get it)

"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future.

"I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists... Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

Why do some Jews imagine Zionism without violence could ever exist in Palestine whether before or after the establishment of the Jewish state?

The Iron Wall Jewish Virtual Library

Maybe Gaza George can convince anyone that the Zionists are busy beheading people these days. So tell us, Gaza George, since you are on the Middle East forum, have you any words about those who are being beheaded and multilated by your new friends in the name of their religion? You have been very, very quiet about this.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. OK....so you don't care to share the horrible personal experience that make you into a Jew-hater.....just thought it might be interesting.

2. Did you just accuse the Jews of violence???
The concept of irony has spent the entirety of its existence waiting for you to come along and give it meaning.

3. I just proved that the land, for the most part, was purchased, not stolen.
So...your post becomes an example of the sort of wasted effort associated with your neurosis.


Write soon, y'hear?

 

[Phoenall]

All the Leftist and anti-Semites ringing their hands over the plight of the Palestinians....they ignore the fact that the same group has fomented the same chaos before, always with mayhem and murder...and then claiming to be victims.



Here it is September......Time to recall a similar scenario.....Black September



1. "For some time, King Hussein of Jordan had been concerned about the growing power of the Palestinians living in his midst. The western portion of his country had become a virtual state within a state, with a chain of refugee camps ruled by heavily armed Fatah militants who openly flouted the authority of the Hashemite monarch. Hussein, who had lost half his kingdom already, feared he would lose the rest unless he removed the Palestinians from Jordanian soil. In September 1970 he ordered his fierce Bedouin soldiers to do precisely that.


Arafat's fighters were no match for the Bedouin. Thousands were massacred, and once more the Palestinians were scattered, this time to camps in Lebanon and Syria. Arafat wanted revenge against the Jordanian monarch and against all those who had betrayed the Palestinian people. He wanted to carry out bloody and spectacular acts of terrorism on the world stage-acts that would place the plight of the Palestinians before a global audience and quench the Palestinian thirst for revenge. The attacks would be carried out by a secret unit so the PLO could maintain the charade that it was a respectable revolutionary army fighting for the liberation of an oppressed people. Abu Iyad [Salah Mesbah Khalaf], Arafat's number two, was given overall command, ....
The unit would be called Black September to honor the Palestinian dead in Jordan.


.... The Jordanian prime minister, on a visit to Cairo, was gunned down in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel. More attacks followed in quick succession. The car of the Jordanian ambassador was ambushed in London. Jordanian aircraft were hijacked and Jordanian airline offices were firebombed. In Bonn, five Jordanian intelligence officers were butchered in the cellar of a house."
From the novel "Prince of Fire, " by Daniel Silva




a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists.
“As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
Know Thy Enemy National Review Online



b.Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

That's not when it started. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

Are rockets being fired at Israeli children defending themselves, is murdering 3 innocent Israeli boys defending themselves. Do show how starting aggression is defending themselves, and then show what they are defending themselves against when they declared war in 1948 and have never rescinded it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All the Leftist and anti-Semites ringing their hands over the plight of the Palestinians....they ignore the fact that the same group has fomented the same chaos before, always with mayhem and murder...and then claiming to be victims.



Here it is September......Time to recall a similar scenario.....Black September



1. "For some time, King Hussein of Jordan had been concerned about the growing power of the Palestinians living in his midst. The western portion of his country had become a virtual state within a state, with a chain of refugee camps ruled by heavily armed Fatah militants who openly flouted the authority of the Hashemite monarch. Hussein, who had lost half his kingdom already, feared he would lose the rest unless he removed the Palestinians from Jordanian soil. In September 1970 he ordered his fierce Bedouin soldiers to do precisely that.


Arafat's fighters were no match for the Bedouin. Thousands were massacred, and once more the Palestinians were scattered, this time to camps in Lebanon and Syria. Arafat wanted revenge against the Jordanian monarch and against all those who had betrayed the Palestinian people. He wanted to carry out bloody and spectacular acts of terrorism on the world stage-acts that would place the plight of the Palestinians before a global audience and quench the Palestinian thirst for revenge. The attacks would be carried out by a secret unit so the PLO could maintain the charade that it was a respectable revolutionary army fighting for the liberation of an oppressed people. Abu Iyad [Salah Mesbah Khalaf], Arafat's number two, was given overall command, ....
The unit would be called Black September to honor the Palestinian dead in Jordan.


.... The Jordanian prime minister, on a visit to Cairo, was gunned down in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel. More attacks followed in quick succession. The car of the Jordanian ambassador was ambushed in London. Jordanian aircraft were hijacked and Jordanian airline offices were firebombed. In Bonn, five Jordanian intelligence officers were butchered in the cellar of a house."
From the novel "Prince of Fire, " by Daniel Silva




a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists.
“As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
Know Thy Enemy National Review Online



b.Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

That's not when it started. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

Are rockets being fired at Israeli children defending themselves, is murdering 3 innocent Israeli boys defending themselves. Do show how starting aggression is defending themselves, and then show what they are defending themselves against when they declared war in 1948 and have never rescinded it.

Why did it start in 1948?

Why did the Israelis have to murder hundreds of innocent Palestinians in retaliation for 3 Israelis being murdered? Is that a form of justice we should employ?

If a rightwing 'Sovereign Citizen' murders two policemen, should the US government kill 500 conservative women and children?

 

[georgephillip]

1. OK....so you don't care to share the horrible personal experience that make you into a Jew-hater.....just thought it might be interesting.

2. Did you just accuse the Jews of violence???
The concept of irony has spent the entirety of its existence waiting for you to come along and give it meaning.

3. I just proved that the land, for the most part, was purchased, not stolen.
So...your post becomes an example of the sort of wasted effort associated with your neurosis.


Write soon, y'hear?

Right after you learn to read:

"Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

Were you born blind?
Maybe you imagine Jews bought Jaffa, does your ignorance extend that far?

The Iron Wall Jewish Virtual Library

 

[aris2chat]

All the Leftist and anti-Semites ringing their hands over the plight of the Palestinians....they ignore the fact that the same group has fomented the same chaos before, always with mayhem and murder...and then claiming to be victims.



Here it is September......Time to recall a similar scenario.....Black September



1. "For some time, King Hussein of Jordan had been concerned about the growing power of the Palestinians living in his midst. The western portion of his country had become a virtual state within a state, with a chain of refugee camps ruled by heavily armed Fatah militants who openly flouted the authority of the Hashemite monarch. Hussein, who had lost half his kingdom already, feared he would lose the rest unless he removed the Palestinians from Jordanian soil. In September 1970 he ordered his fierce Bedouin soldiers to do precisely that.


Arafat's fighters were no match for the Bedouin. Thousands were massacred, and once more the Palestinians were scattered, this time to camps in Lebanon and Syria. Arafat wanted revenge against the Jordanian monarch and against all those who had betrayed the Palestinian people. He wanted to carry out bloody and spectacular acts of terrorism on the world stage-acts that would place the plight of the Palestinians before a global audience and quench the Palestinian thirst for revenge. The attacks would be carried out by a secret unit so the PLO could maintain the charade that it was a respectable revolutionary army fighting for the liberation of an oppressed people. Abu Iyad [Salah Mesbah Khalaf], Arafat's number two, was given overall command, ....
The unit would be called Black September to honor the Palestinian dead in Jordan.


.... The Jordanian prime minister, on a visit to Cairo, was gunned down in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel. More attacks followed in quick succession. The car of the Jordanian ambassador was ambushed in London. Jordanian aircraft were hijacked and Jordanian airline offices were firebombed. In Bonn, five Jordanian intelligence officers were butchered in the cellar of a house."
From the novel "Prince of Fire, " by Daniel Silva




a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists.
“As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
Know Thy Enemy National Review Online



b.Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

That's not when it started. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

Are rockets being fired at Israeli children defending themselves, is murdering 3 innocent Israeli boys defending themselves. Do show how starting aggression is defending themselves, and then show what they are defending themselves against when they declared war in 1948 and have never rescinded it.

Why did it start in 1948?

Why did the Israelis have to murder hundreds of innocent Palestinians in retaliation for 3 Israelis being murdered? Is that a form of justice we should employ?

If a rightwing 'Sovereign Citizen' murders two policemen, should the US government kill 500 conservative women and children?

Why was gaza firing a hundred mortars and rockets at Israel each day?
Why was hamas planing the kidnapping of Israeli children?
Why was hamas unwilling to talk or accept any agreements that Abbas and Israel might come to?
Why was hamas hiding rocket launchers in and around hospitals, schools, UN buildings and civilians homes?
Why was hamas building illegal tunnels into Israel and Egypt?

 

[NYcarbineer]

All the Leftist and anti-Semites ringing their hands over the plight of the Palestinians....they ignore the fact that the same group has fomented the same chaos before, always with mayhem and murder...and then claiming to be victims.



Here it is September......Time to recall a similar scenario.....Black September



1. "For some time, King Hussein of Jordan had been concerned about the growing power of the Palestinians living in his midst. The western portion of his country had become a virtual state within a state, with a chain of refugee camps ruled by heavily armed Fatah militants who openly flouted the authority of the Hashemite monarch. Hussein, who had lost half his kingdom already, feared he would lose the rest unless he removed the Palestinians from Jordanian soil. In September 1970 he ordered his fierce Bedouin soldiers to do precisely that.


Arafat's fighters were no match for the Bedouin. Thousands were massacred, and once more the Palestinians were scattered, this time to camps in Lebanon and Syria. Arafat wanted revenge against the Jordanian monarch and against all those who had betrayed the Palestinian people. He wanted to carry out bloody and spectacular acts of terrorism on the world stage-acts that would place the plight of the Palestinians before a global audience and quench the Palestinian thirst for revenge. The attacks would be carried out by a secret unit so the PLO could maintain the charade that it was a respectable revolutionary army fighting for the liberation of an oppressed people. Abu Iyad [Salah Mesbah Khalaf], Arafat's number two, was given overall command, ....
The unit would be called Black September to honor the Palestinian dead in Jordan.


.... The Jordanian prime minister, on a visit to Cairo, was gunned down in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel. More attacks followed in quick succession. The car of the Jordanian ambassador was ambushed in London. Jordanian aircraft were hijacked and Jordanian airline offices were firebombed. In Bonn, five Jordanian intelligence officers were butchered in the cellar of a house."
From the novel "Prince of Fire, " by Daniel Silva




a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists.
“As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
Know Thy Enemy National Review Online



b.Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

That's not when it started. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

Are rockets being fired at Israeli children defending themselves, is murdering 3 innocent Israeli boys defending themselves. Do show how starting aggression is defending themselves, and then show what they are defending themselves against when they declared war in 1948 and have never rescinded it.

Why did it start in 1948?

Why did the Israelis have to murder hundreds of innocent Palestinians in retaliation for 3 Israelis being murdered? Is that a form of justice we should employ?

If a rightwing 'Sovereign Citizen' murders two policemen, should the US government kill 500 conservative women and children?

Why was gaza firing a hundred mortars and rockets at Israel each day?
Why was hamas planing the kidnapping of Israeli children?
Why was hamas unwilling to talk or accept any agreements that Abbas and Israel might come to?
Why was hamas hiding rocket launchers in and around hospitals, schools, UN buildings and civilians homes?
Why was hamas building illegal tunnels into Israel and Egypt?

There is no answer to any of those questions that can justify the indiscriminate collective punishment of the Palestinian people.

Not to mention the latest theft of a thousand acres of Palestinian land that the Israelis perpetrated with this latest conflict as their pretext.

 

[Phoenall]

"He does go a bit far at times, though. 'Most of the ugly repertoire of Modern Arab and Muslim anti-Semitism,' he writes, 'came from the Soviet Union (with only the racial-biological component added by the Nazis.'”

Know Thy Enemy National Review Online

Michael Ledeen doesn't mention the ethnic cleansing in 1948 that drove hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Palestine and into the neighboring states like Jordan, possibly for the same reasons he supported the US mission to turn the Middle East into a "cauldron?"

"Regarding the 'pre-emptive' invasion of Iraq, in 2002 Ledeen criticized the views of former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, writing:[12]

"'He fears that if we attack Iraq 'I think we could have an explosion in the Middle East. It could turn the whole region into a cauldron and destroy the War on Terror.'

"'One can only hope that we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please.'

"'If ever there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronized, it is the Middle East today.'

"If we wage the war effectively, we will bring down the terror regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and either bring down the Saudi monarchy or force it to abandon its global assembly line to indoctrinate young terrorists.'

"That's our mission in the war against terror.'"

Not to mention the capitali$t bonu$ that comes from maiming, murdering, incarcerating, and displacing millions of innocent Muslims from Palestine to Mosul, right?

Michael Ledeen - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Just as you totally ignore the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Palestine how many hundreds of thousands were involved it that. Then we have the ethnic cleansing of Christians from Palestine when the arab muslims reduced their numbers from 12% of the population down to just 2%, how many hundreds of thousands are that. If you want to talk about ethnic cleansing then look no further than the arab nuslims for the biggest offenders.


So you are pro terrorist are you, then why aren't you in Iraq or Syria beheading innocent unarmed reporters like your cowardly terrorist hero's.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. OK....so you don't care to share the horrible personal experience that make you into a Jew-hater.....just thought it might be interesting.

2. Did you just accuse the Jews of violence???
The concept of irony has spent the entirety of its existence waiting for you to come along and give it meaning.

3. I just proved that the land, for the most part, was purchased, not stolen.
So...your post becomes an example of the sort of wasted effort associated with your neurosis.


Write soon, y'hear?

Right after you learn to read:

"Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

Were you born blind?
Maybe you imagine Jews bought Jaffa, does your ignorance extend that far?

The Iron Wall Jewish Virtual Library

So....once you admit the facts, that the Jews bought the land from the reputed owners.....

....you'd have to find another reason for Jew-hatred?


C'mon.....we both know you're up to the task.

 

[aris2chat]

War is not a game of proportional actions. War objectives are to win and bring the opponents to some submission or willingness to compromise in some negotiated peace deal.
Gaza was finally brought to some negotiated deal in exchange of a ceasefire. It has taken years to bring hamas to any formal compromise, even short term. We will see how long hamas can go without breaking the ceasefire. Till now hamas was unwilling to compromise, only to make wide sweeping demands before they would recognize Israel or to talk with them. They wanted to sweep Israel and it's people off the face of the map and occupy Israel.
Hamas is not even a member of the PLO, they have no real standing as a representative of the palestinians people. They control gaza by force. They were waging war on Israel forcing it to respond.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All the Leftist and anti-Semites ringing their hands over the plight of the Palestinians....they ignore the fact that the same group has fomented the same chaos before, always with mayhem and murder...and then claiming to be victims.



Here it is September......Time to recall a similar scenario.....Black September




1. "For some time, King Hussein of Jordan had been concerned about the growing power of the Palestinians living in his midst. The western portion of his country had become a virtual state within a state, with a chain of refugee camps ruled by heavily armed Fatah militants who openly flouted the authority of the Hashemite monarch. Hussein, who had lost half his kingdom already, feared he would lose the rest unless he removed the Palestinians from Jordanian soil. In September 1970 he ordered his fierce Bedouin soldiers to do precisely that.


Arafat's fighters were no match for the Bedouin. Thousands were massacred, and once more the Palestinians were scattered, this time to camps in Lebanon and Syria. Arafat wanted revenge against the Jordanian monarch and against all those who had betrayed the Palestinian people. He wanted to carry out bloody and spectacular acts of terrorism on the world stage-acts that would place the plight of the Palestinians before a global audience and quench the Palestinian thirst for revenge. The attacks would be carried out by a secret unit so the PLO could maintain the charade that it was a respectable revolutionary army fighting for the liberation of an oppressed people. Abu Iyad [Salah Mesbah Khalaf], Arafat's number two, was given overall command, ....
The unit would be called Black September to honor the Palestinian dead in Jordan.


.... The Jordanian prime minister, on a visit to Cairo, was gunned down in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel. More attacks followed in quick succession. The car of the Jordanian ambassador was ambushed in London. Jordanian aircraft were hijacked and Jordanian airline offices were firebombed. In Bonn, five Jordanian intelligence officers were butchered in the cellar of a house."
From the novel "Prince of Fire, " by Daniel Silva




a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists.
“As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
Know Thy Enemy National Review Online



b.Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

That's not when it started. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

Are rockets being fired at Israeli children defending themselves, is murdering 3 innocent Israeli boys defending themselves. Do show how starting aggression is defending themselves, and then show what they are defending themselves against when they declared war in 1948 and have never rescinded it.

Why did it start in 1948?

Why did the Israelis have to murder hundreds of innocent Palestinians in retaliation for 3 Israelis being murdered? Is that a form of justice we should employ?

If a rightwing 'Sovereign Citizen' murders two policemen, should the US government kill 500 conservative women and children?

Why was gaza firing a hundred mortars and rockets at Israel each day?
Why was hamas planing the kidnapping of Israeli children?
Why was hamas unwilling to talk or accept any agreements that Abbas and Israel might come to?
Why was hamas hiding rocket launchers in and around hospitals, schools, UN buildings and civilians homes?
Why was hamas building illegal tunnels into Israel and Egypt?

Here's the reason:

“Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet."
He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty." November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson. Official British document, Foreign Office File No. 371/20822 E 7201/22/31;
Elie Kedourie,Islam in the Modern World, pp. 69-72.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All the Leftist and anti-Semites ringing their hands over the plight of the Palestinians....they ignore the fact that the same group has fomented the same chaos before, always with mayhem and murder...and then claiming to be victims.



Here it is September......Time to recall a similar scenario.....Black September




1. "For some time, King Hussein of Jordan had been concerned about the growing power of the Palestinians living in his midst. The western portion of his country had become a virtual state within a state, with a chain of refugee camps ruled by heavily armed Fatah militants who openly flouted the authority of the Hashemite monarch. Hussein, who had lost half his kingdom already, feared he would lose the rest unless he removed the Palestinians from Jordanian soil. In September 1970 he ordered his fierce Bedouin soldiers to do precisely that.


Arafat's fighters were no match for the Bedouin. Thousands were massacred, and once more the Palestinians were scattered, this time to camps in Lebanon and Syria. Arafat wanted revenge against the Jordanian monarch and against all those who had betrayed the Palestinian people. He wanted to carry out bloody and spectacular acts of terrorism on the world stage-acts that would place the plight of the Palestinians before a global audience and quench the Palestinian thirst for revenge. The attacks would be carried out by a secret unit so the PLO could maintain the charade that it was a respectable revolutionary army fighting for the liberation of an oppressed people. Abu Iyad [Salah Mesbah Khalaf], Arafat's number two, was given overall command, ....
The unit would be called Black September to honor the Palestinian dead in Jordan.


.... The Jordanian prime minister, on a visit to Cairo, was gunned down in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel. More attacks followed in quick succession. The car of the Jordanian ambassador was ambushed in London. Jordanian aircraft were hijacked and Jordanian airline offices were firebombed. In Bonn, five Jordanian intelligence officers were butchered in the cellar of a house."
From the novel "Prince of Fire, " by Daniel Silva




a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists.
“As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.”
Know Thy Enemy National Review Online



b.Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.”
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

That's not when it started. The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

Are rockets being fired at Israeli children defending themselves, is murdering 3 innocent Israeli boys defending themselves. Do show how starting aggression is defending themselves, and then show what they are defending themselves against when they declared war in 1948 and have never rescinded it.

Why did it start in 1948?

Why did the Israelis have to murder hundreds of innocent Palestinians in retaliation for 3 Israelis being murdered? Is that a form of justice we should employ?

If a rightwing 'Sovereign Citizen' murders two policemen, should the US government kill 500 conservative women and children?

Why was gaza firing a hundred mortars and rockets at Israel each day?
Why was hamas planing the kidnapping of Israeli children?
Why was hamas unwilling to talk or accept any agreements that Abbas and Israel might come to?
Why was hamas hiding rocket launchers in and around hospitals, schools, UN buildings and civilians homes?
Why was hamas building illegal tunnels into Israel and Egypt?

Here's the reason:

“Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet."
He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty." November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson. Official British document, Foreign Office File No. 371/20822 E 7201/22/31;
Elie Kedourie,Islam in the Modern World, pp. 69-72.

And that dead guy is the final authority on all things Israeli/Palestinian?

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is an Anti-Palestinianism that is in every way comparable to Anti-Semitism,

except for its lacking the catch-phrase stature that has accrued to the latter.

 

[georgephillip]

I have rarely found you to know what you are talking about.

This, of course, is simply one more example of same.

It is difficult to refer to it as an 'invasion' if the land was purchased.


"Until the passage of the Turkish Land Registry Law in 1858,
there were no official deeds to attest to a man's legal title to a parcel
of land; tradition alone had to suffice to establish such title— and
usually it did. And yet, the position of Palestine's farmers was a
precarious one, for there were constant blood-feuds between families,
clans and entire villages, as well as periodic incursions by rapacious Bedouin tribes...


When considering Jewish land purchases and settlements, four
factors should be borne in mind:

(1) Most of the land purchases involved large tracts belonging to
absentee owners. (Virtually all of the Jezreel Valley, for
example, belonged in 1897 to only two persons: the eastern
portion to the Turkish Sultan, and the western part to the
richest banker in Syria, Sursuk "the Greek".)


(2) Most of the land purchased had not been cultivated previously
because it was swampy, rocky, sandy or, for some other reason,
regarded as uncultivable. This is supported by the findings of
the Peel Commission Report (p. 242): "The Arab charge that
the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land
cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange
groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it
was purchased . . . there was at the time at least of the earlier
sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the re-
sources or training needed to develop the land." (1937)


(3) While, for this reason, the early transactions did not involve
unduly large sums of money, the price of land began to rise
as Arab landowners took advantage of the growing demand for
rural tracts. The resulting infusion of capital into the
Palestinian economy had noticeable beneficial effects on the
standard of living of all the inhabitants.


(4) The Jewish pioneers introduced new farming methods which
improved the soil and crop cultivation and were soon emulated
by Arab farmers.


(According to the
Turkish census of 1875, by that time Jews already constituted a
majority of the population of Jerusalem and by 1905 comprised
two-thirds of its citizens. The Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1910
gives the population figure as 60,000, of whom 40,000 were Jews.)"
http://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/the-case-for-israel-appendix2.pdf

Your propaganda doesn't mention how much of the land in Jaffa,

1. OK....so you don't care to share the horrible personal experience that make you into a Jew-hater.....just thought it might be interesting.

2. Did you just accuse the Jews of violence???
The concept of irony has spent the entirety of its existence waiting for you to come along and give it meaning.

3. I just proved that the land, for the most part, was purchased, not stolen.
So...your post becomes an example of the sort of wasted effort associated with your neurosis.


Write soon, y'hear?

Right after you learn to read:

"Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting 'Palestine' from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority."

Were you born blind?
Maybe you imagine Jews bought Jaffa, does your ignorance extend that far?

The Iron Wall Jewish Virtual Library

So....once you admit the facts, that the Jews bought the land from the reputed owners.....

....you'd have to find another reason for Jew-hatred?


C'mon.....we both know you're up to the task.

You still haven't told us how much land the Jews bought in Jaffa, Tiberias, and Haifa, why is that? You're not up to posting those figments of the Zionist imagination?

"Although Arab armies from neighboring countries did not enter Palestine until May 15, Jewish forces had been active in a campaign of ethnic cleansing since passage of the partition plan the previous Nov. 29. The first effort was aimed at clearing out Palestinians living in cities designated as part of the Jewish state.

"This began in a major way on April 18, when Tiberias was captured and its 5,500 Palestinian residents put in flight. On April 22, Haifa fell to the Jewish forces and 70,000 Palestinians fled. On May 10, the 12,000 Palestinians of Safed were routed and the next day Beisan, with 6,000 Palestinians, fell.

"Preceding these conquests had been the massacre at Deir Yassin on April 9, where 254 innocent Palestinian men, women and children were killed by a combined force drawn from Irgun and from Lehi, another Jewish terrorist group known to the British as the 'Stern Gang' and headed in 1948 by a triumvirate that included Yitzhak Shamir.

"Reports of the savagery of the attack had spread throughout the Palestinian community and caused widespread dread at the advance of Jewish forces. 2

"The capture of Jaffa differed from the earlier conquests in that under the U.N. plan it was supposed to remain as a Palestinian enclave between neighboring Tel Aviv and areas to the south and east designated as part of the Jewish state.

"Its capture demonstrated that the future Israelis were not going to observe the limits set on their state by the United Nations.

"Why did the residents of Jaffa flee?"

Because greedy Jews were busy negotiating the sale of their homes, businesses, farms, and bank accounts.

See if you can keep up.

Arab Jaffa Seized Before Israel s Creation in 1948 1994 April-May Washington Report Archives 1994-1999 WRMEA Archives