Blacks have been voting for Dems for over a hundred years!

[buckeye45_73]

I think most republicans were more Liberal than their democratic counter parts back in Lincoln’s day. Southern democrats were absolutely conservative during Jim Crow. Those roles flip flopped during the mid 1900s

They didn't, that's the point. WH Taft was more conservative than either Roosevelt or Wilson in 1912

As for the south, what really happened was AC.....once it became widely available, republicans moved south for lower taxes and better weather? why republicans? because they had jobs they could transfer to and they had enough money to move.
I moved to TN in 1992 with my parents, better weather, lower taxes....
Did you know that TN house and senate wasn't controlled by republicans until 2009 (they had one term in the late 60s, but it was an outlier)?

List of Speakers of the Tennessee House of Representatives - Wikipedia
List of Speakers of the Louisiana House of Representatives - Wikipedia
Party control of Alabama state government - Ballotpedia

Alabama has become more Republican in the last 30 years. 30 years would be 1988


look at others, most senators and house members and state legislatures didn't go republican until the 1980s, roughly 20 years after the civil rights act,why?
Because people didn't switch, it was population movement and people growing up with different attitudes(aka non racist attitudes).


Sorry guys that switch stuff is total bunk.....it didn't happen.

still waiting for a response on this......the switch and southern strategies are complete bullshit theories with zero basis in reality.

What would your definition of conservative and liberal be and do you think those definitions have accurately labeled both Republicans and Democrats as respective conservatives and liberals throughout the course of history?

When I get home, I'll work on this one....way too much thought needed on this one....good Question though!!

Id be interested to hear your thoughts. My quick thoughts are... actions like Lincoln’s liberating the slaves was a liberal move by a Republican Party. Southern Democrats instituted many Jim Crow laws which allowed states to stripe the rights of Aftrican Americans. They did this for religious and historical cultural reasons making it closer to a conservative action. From there you see where I’m starting and why I say there was a flip flop and Dems became drivers of civil rights for blacks, women, and LBGT and the Right became the party of conservative religious values that fought against many of these kind of changes

yeah that's not bad, but it's partially correct.
republicans were always for civil rights and the republicans have been the conservative party, since McKinley and you might even say Grant. Partisan politics is very complicated, so to explain it takes a great deal of time.
both parties have had factions of liberals and conservatives, they still do but they aren't nearly as equal. the thing is the southern democrats were pretty progressive on economic issues and all over the place on social ones.
For example out of the 22 democrats who voted against the Civil Rights act of 1964, only 1 became a republican, Strom Thurmond. Another Al Gore SR, had a son who became VP of the united states as a democrat. The other thing is most of those seats didn't turn republican until the late 1980s or 1990s (gore was senator until he was elected VP in 1992) The point is Al Gore didn't have an ultra conservative father and suddenly become and ultra leftwing democrat.......
we can discuss this some more later!

 

[buckeye45_73]

Blacks will keep voting Democratic, and the negrophobe whites will keep voting Republican.

Just like Nixon's man said would happen.

And now you can add Islamophobes and homophobes to the GOP roster. The exact same strategy is being used to this very day.

"We interrupt this Fox News broadcast for another Blacks Behaving Badly alert!"

you are a tard.....that is the propaganda...not reality.....sorry man
you said the racists switch to become republicans.... NEVER happened......I gave many valid reasons to show it and you cant admit it......you're wrong
I don't give a fuck what the new York times says.....because they are biased......always have been a tool for democrats.

what laws did republicans vote for that were racist????

I did not say the racists switched. I said they were replaced by attrition.

The Republican Right is overrun with racists today. We see that every single day on this forum.

You are willfully blind.

The Southern Strategy was a raging success. Literally raging.

what the hell does that mean, replaced by attrition? they had extra racists in the closet and pulled them out when the og racists died???? Make some sense man.

But atleast we can agree the switch did not happen...your leftwing buddies will hate you for acknowledging that.

 

[Timmy]

Why don’t we live in the now . The reason blacks (and all minorities actually) go with the Dems is because the gop harbors racists . It’s a bit of a deal breaker.

Even the gop talking point of “blacks have been bought off by the Dems “ and “blacks on the dem plantation “ IS RACIST! You imply they are all on welfare!

You can’t even pause your racism in a feeble effort to Court blacks and minorities!

The Dems are no saints , but they are 10x better than the alternative.

well please explain today the advantage of being black in poor school districts that are all democratic and continuing to vote for the same people that keep one in squaller?

Democratic ? The worst school districts are in red states .

 

[buckeye45_73]

Why don’t we live in the now . The reason blacks (and all minorities actually) go with the Dems is because the gop harbors racists . It’s a bit of a deal breaker.

Even the gop talking point of “blacks have been bought off by the Dems “ and “blacks on the dem plantation “ IS RACIST! You imply they are all on welfare!

You can’t even pause your racism in a feeble effort to Court blacks and minorities!

The Dems are no saints , but they are 10x better than the alternative.

well please explain today the advantage of being black in poor school districts that are all democratic and continuing to vote for the same people that keep one in squaller?

Democratic ? The worst school districts are in red states .

you have a link?
well in TN a redstate the worst districts are in Memphis a city with no republicans near the government of it.

 

[g5000]

Blacks will keep voting Democratic, and the negrophobe whites will keep voting Republican.

Just like Nixon's man said would happen.

And now you can add Islamophobes and homophobes to the GOP roster. The exact same strategy is being used to this very day.

"We interrupt this Fox News broadcast for another Blacks Behaving Badly alert!"

you are a tard.....that is the propaganda...not reality.....sorry man
you said the racists switch to become republicans.... NEVER happened......I gave many valid reasons to show it and you cant admit it......you're wrong
I don't give a fuck what the new York times says.....because they are biased......always have been a tool for democrats.

what laws did republicans vote for that were racist????

I did not say the racists switched. I said they were replaced by attrition.

The Republican Right is overrun with racists today. We see that every single day on this forum.

You are willfully blind.

The Southern Strategy was a raging success. Literally raging.

what the hell does that mean, replaced by attrition? they had extra racists in the closet and pulled them out when the og racists died???? Make some sense man.

But atleast we can agree the switch did not happen...your leftwing buddies will hate you for acknowledging that.

The negrophobes who grew up under the Southern Strategy chose to become Republicans instead of Democrats. All caught up now, tard?

You denied the strategy even existed. I showed you just how wrong you were. You are nothing but a brainless parroting rube.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Blacks will keep voting Democratic, and the negrophobe whites will keep voting Republican.

Just like Nixon's man said would happen.

And now you can add Islamophobes and homophobes to the GOP roster. The exact same strategy is being used to this very day.

"We interrupt this Fox News broadcast for another Blacks Behaving Badly alert!"

you are a tard.....that is the propaganda...not reality.....sorry man
you said the racists switch to become republicans.... NEVER happened......I gave many valid reasons to show it and you cant admit it......you're wrong
I don't give a fuck what the new York times says.....because they are biased......always have been a tool for democrats.

what laws did republicans vote for that were racist????

I did not say the racists switched. I said they were replaced by attrition.

The Republican Right is overrun with racists today. We see that every single day on this forum.

You are willfully blind.

The Southern Strategy was a raging success. Literally raging.

what the hell does that mean, replaced by attrition? they had extra racists in the closet and pulled them out when the og racists died???? Make some sense man.

But atleast we can agree the switch did not happen...your leftwing buddies will hate you for acknowledging that.

The negrophobes who grew up under the Southern Strategy chose to become Republicans instead of Democrats. All caught up now, tard?

You denied the strategy even existed. I showed you just how wrong you were. You are nothing but a brainless parroting rube.

negrophobes? are they the children of the racists?

 

[Some Guy]

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

I do also think that it's gotten to the point that no matter what he says, certain people will take it out of context and find a reason to hate him for whatever he says. You could see that in the State of the Union address when he noted that black unemployment was at a record low and democrats sat their all frowny-faced about it. If Trump does reach out to try to unite on something, it requires someone there willing to take his hand. There's none of that right now, and it's both sides' fault.

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

he isn't PC. that bugs the left. the left like to be coddled. they never tell it like it is, always sugar coat it. It ain't him.

He also says a lot of shit that's objectively false or objectively stupid. You can't just chalk it all up to "he's not PC."

no, see you won't accept the man for who he is. you have an object person in mind and he doesn't fit the mold so you just refuse to let him be him. He exaggerates. so fking what? how does it hurt someone if he thinks he has a bigger crowd? I mean are you all really that shallow to argue that two years? Wow. He plays the left by being objectively stupid. it raises up truths they really don't want exposed. It's hilarious to watch the reaction he gets when he does his shit. truly!!! And he ain't PC. you don't get him, I do.

I think i get him better than you do.

Long story short, he's the sledgehammer that the republicans needed to get a lot of their messages across that no one else in their party could. Romney and McCain just took the attacks from the left and didn't fight back while Trump was the exact opposite. He was unapologetic in his approach and a real celebrity in a society that idolizes celebrities now. He represents a lot of conservative principles and Trump is the vehicle by which those policies get put into motion. And because he's an effective tool for that job, his supporters will make excuses for why he's not the right tool for some of the jobs of the president and defend him irrationally because of it. He's only got into trouble because of the things he says really, not so much the things he does (which is just political disagreements). He's brash, insecure and shoots from the hip without thinking and that leads him to say a lot of stupid, false and dividing type things. As president, one of the most important things to do is be a unifying force. I'm not saying Obama was that either but Trump isn't a unifier at all, and that's ultimately damaging.

I agree with plenty of Trump's policy within the big government prism, though i'd prefer someone who'd fight for genuinely smaller government. Where i can really appreciate Trump is that his mere presence and the way he conducts himself has completely exposed the bias in the media and has outed much of the democratic party as pseudo socialists. He's forced anyone with some objectivity to realize just how biased their news sources are and have been for quite some time, which forces people to think about what they really believe in. I know cause i'm one of them. I never would've have gone on a deeper political/cultural exploration were it not for seeing some of the unmitigated craziness going on around the country due in part to Trump driving out the crazies on both sides. Him winning the presidency could easily turn out to be one of the best things to happen to a slowly fracturing nation whereby people take a much more active role in educating themselves and questioning a lot more about what they thought they knew.

Or maybe that's just the optimist in me.

 

[OKTexas]

Hey, your the one that got all holier than thou over political rhetoric. Politicians embellish, get over it.


.

I’m far from holly. And I don’t see a problem with criticizing tone deaf statements like this. They do zero good for our country and the sick divide that’s happening.

Of course making a big deal over political rhetoric brings everyone closer together, right? I bet most people didn't even see the speech, I didn't.


.

I don’t think I’m making a big deal about it. Why do you? I mean I’m not calling him a racist or calling for impeachment or staging a protest. I’m pointing out a careless statement that he made and opening up a discussion about it. Do you think that’s inappropriate of me? Do you think we should all just ignore the powerful when we feel like they are being inappropriate or inflammatory or doing something we feel is damaging to our country?

Let's just say you would look a bit less hypocritical if your ire were a bit more balanced. I can't recall any OPs from you concerning Schumer or Palosi and some of their off the rails divisive comments.


.

Pelosi is a joke, I was hoping Ryan would have taken her speaker position last cycle. I hope she is in her last term because she is part of the problem. Schumer plays politics but I don’t see him as being as much of a problem as Pelosi

Speaker position? Now I'm really confused, Ryan has been speaker for several years now. Where have you been?


.

 

[jc456]

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

I do also think that it's gotten to the point that no matter what he says, certain people will take it out of context and find a reason to hate him for whatever he says. You could see that in the State of the Union address when he noted that black unemployment was at a record low and democrats sat their all frowny-faced about it. If Trump does reach out to try to unite on something, it requires someone there willing to take his hand. There's none of that right now, and it's both sides' fault.

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

he isn't PC. that bugs the left. the left like to be coddled. they never tell it like it is, always sugar coat it. It ain't him.

He also says a lot of shit that's objectively false or objectively stupid. You can't just chalk it all up to "he's not PC."

no, see you won't accept the man for who he is. you have an object person in mind and he doesn't fit the mold so you just refuse to let him be him. He exaggerates. so fking what? how does it hurt someone if he thinks he has a bigger crowd? I mean are you all really that shallow to argue that two years? Wow. He plays the left by being objectively stupid. it raises up truths they really don't want exposed. It's hilarious to watch the reaction he gets when he does his shit. truly!!! And he ain't PC. you don't get him, I do.

I think i get him better than you do.

Long story short, he's the sledgehammer that the republicans needed to get a lot of their messages across that no one else in their party could. Romney and McCain just took the attacks from the left and didn't fight back while Trump was the exact opposite. He was unapologetic in his approach and a real celebrity in a society that idolizes celebrities now. He represents a lot of conservative principles and Trump is the vehicle by which those policies get put into motion. And because he's an effective tool for that job, his supporters will make excuses for why he's not the right tool for some of the jobs of the president and defend him irrationally because of it. He's only got into trouble because of the things he says really, not so much the things he does (which is just political disagreements). He's brash, insecure and shoots from the hip without thinking and that leads him to say a lot of stupid, false and dividing type things. As president, one of the most important things to do is be a unifying force. I'm not saying Obama was that either but Trump isn't a unifier at all, and that's ultimately damaging.

I agree with plenty of Trump's policy within the big government prism, though i'd prefer someone who'd fight for genuinely smaller government. Where i can really appreciate Trump is that his mere presence and the way he conducts himself has completely exposed the bias in the media and has outed much of the democratic party as pseudo socialists. He's forced anyone with some objectivity to realize just how biased their news sources are and have been for quite some time, which forces people to think about what they really believe in. I know cause i'm one of them. I never would've have gone on a deeper political/cultural exploration were it not for seeing some of the unmitigated craziness going on around the country due in part to Trump driving out the crazies on both sides. Him winning the presidency could easily turn out to be one of the best things to happen to a slowly fracturing nation whereby people take a much more active role in educating themselves and questioning a lot more about what they thought they knew.

Or maybe that's just the optimist in me.

dude, he won the election and the first thing out the dems mouth was russia russia and impeach him. sorry, but they lost all credibility and lost all respect.

 

[Slade3200]

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

I do also think that it's gotten to the point that no matter what he says, certain people will take it out of context and find a reason to hate him for whatever he says. You could see that in the State of the Union address when he noted that black unemployment was at a record low and democrats sat their all frowny-faced about it. If Trump does reach out to try to unite on something, it requires someone there willing to take his hand. There's none of that right now, and it's both sides' fault.

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

he isn't PC. that bugs the left. the left like to be coddled. they never tell it like it is, always sugar coat it. It ain't him.

He also says a lot of shit that's objectively false or objectively stupid. You can't just chalk it all up to "he's not PC."

no, see you won't accept the man for who he is. you have an object person in mind and he doesn't fit the mold so you just refuse to let him be him. He exaggerates. so fking what? how does it hurt someone if he thinks he has a bigger crowd? I mean are you all really that shallow to argue that two years? Wow. He plays the left by being objectively stupid. it raises up truths they really don't want exposed. It's hilarious to watch the reaction he gets when he does his shit. truly!!! And he ain't PC. you don't get him, I do.

I think i get him better than you do.

Long story short, he's the sledgehammer that the republicans needed to get a lot of their messages across that no one else in their party could. Romney and McCain just took the attacks from the left and didn't fight back while Trump was the exact opposite. He was unapologetic in his approach and a real celebrity in a society that idolizes celebrities now. He represents a lot of conservative principles and Trump is the vehicle by which those policies get put into motion. And because he's an effective tool for that job, his supporters will make excuses for why he's not the right tool for some of the jobs of the president and defend him irrationally because of it. He's only got into trouble because of the things he says really, not so much the things he does (which is just political disagreements). He's brash, insecure and shoots from the hip without thinking and that leads him to say a lot of stupid, false and dividing type things. As president, one of the most important things to do is be a unifying force. I'm not saying Obama was that either but Trump isn't a unifier at all, and that's ultimately damaging.

I agree with plenty of Trump's policy within the big government prism, though i'd prefer someone who'd fight for genuinely smaller government. Where i can really appreciate Trump is that his mere presence and the way he conducts himself has completely exposed the bias in the media and has outed much of the democratic party as pseudo socialists. He's forced anyone with some objectivity to realize just how biased their news sources are and have been for quite some time, which forces people to think about what they really believe in. I know cause i'm one of them. I never would've have gone on a deeper political/cultural exploration were it not for seeing some of the unmitigated craziness going on around the country due in part to Trump driving out the crazies on both sides. Him winning the presidency could easily turn out to be one of the best things to happen to a slowly fracturing nation whereby people take a much more active role in educating themselves and questioning a lot more about what they thought they knew.

Or maybe that's just the optimist in me.

That was a very thoughtful and astute analysis of the situation. Well done. I was with you until the last part. The only way I see this as being good for the country is if Trumps presidency is followed by a backlash that is geared towards transparency, unification, and fair discourse. I worry that the dirty and dishonest bully tactics that he is taking will be mimicked and used as methods for others to achieve victory. This can lead to a very dangerous state in our union. We’ve already seen it in our campaigns on both sides. Dirty campaigning is effective... if you want to win you have to go low. So long as people use these tactics as a means to an end we are in trouble.

 

[Slade3200]

I’m far from holly. And I don’t see a problem with criticizing tone deaf statements like this. They do zero good for our country and the sick divide that’s happening.

Of course making a big deal over political rhetoric brings everyone closer together, right? I bet most people didn't even see the speech, I didn't.


.

I don’t think I’m making a big deal about it. Why do you? I mean I’m not calling him a racist or calling for impeachment or staging a protest. I’m pointing out a careless statement that he made and opening up a discussion about it. Do you think that’s inappropriate of me? Do you think we should all just ignore the powerful when we feel like they are being inappropriate or inflammatory or doing something we feel is damaging to our country?

Let's just say you would look a bit less hypocritical if your ire were a bit more balanced. I can't recall any OPs from you concerning Schumer or Palosi and some of their off the rails divisive comments.


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Pelosi is a joke, I was hoping Ryan would have taken her speaker position last cycle. I hope she is in her last term because she is part of the problem. Schumer plays politics but I don’t see him as being as much of a problem as Pelosi

Speaker position? Now I'm really confused, Ryan has been speaker for several years now. Where have you been?


.

Minority leader position. Tim Ryan from OH opposed her and lost. Sorry that was a whole bag of confusing

 

[eagle7_31]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

When did they start voting democrat?

Well they didn’t receive the right to vote until 1965 so it would be sometime after that... right?

Wrong. Blacks have been voting since the end of the civil war. Yes there were Jim Crow laws, literacy tests and such to impede blacks from voting. The mid 1930's was when the black vote started to trend to the dems.

 

[Slade3200]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

When did they start voting democrat?

Well they didn’t receive the right to vote until 1965 so it would be sometime after that... right?

Wrong. Blacks have been voting since the end of the civil war. Yes there were Jim Crow laws, literacy tests and such to impede blacks from voting. The mid 1930's was when the black vote started to trend to the dems.

Yes, that’s been discussed and agreed upon

 

[iceberg]

Yeah, but the message is filtered through a leftwing media, so to get through he said some crazy stuff (McCain, Mexicans, others) but a lot of it was true and said so that you couldn't ignore it.
Republicans have a much harder time and are usually just ignored...that's why we love Trump, he wont let himself be ignored and he attacks political correctness, which is the worst thing our country faces(way worse they NK or Iran)

I think PC can and has gone way to far, but I don’t think driving a culture of in your face insults is the answer. Especially when it is propt up by hyperbole and misinformation

sometimes you gotta fight the way it comes at you. these days the left hurls insults like hershey flings candy to fat kids at halloween. don't agree with them NAZI!! RACIST!!! and the like. if someone "of color" doesn't toe the line, they go crazy on them and demonize them also.

i don't say it's a good or bad way to react to what the left is doing, no. but as you said above, how you handle things dictates the responses you get.

is calling someone NAZI, RACIST and WHITE SUPREMACIST going to get a rational response from almost anyone?

equal application of standards, man.

I agree, but notice I didn’t call him any of those names in response to his comment. I did call him clueless and explained why. It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing game. Just because a bunch of left wing radicals call Trump racist at every other comment that doesn’t mean everything he does that is insensitive or inflammatory is ok or it can’t be called out. There is a reason why there is so much hate and vitriol against Trump and it’s not just because of his party or policy positions. He continually makes these gafs and the unapologetically doubles down instead of clarifying or apologizing when any decent person would do either of those things. True racists and bigots then become emboldened to back up Trump during these type of debates and the whole thing gets conflated and turns into an ugly mess.

not you per se. but the left in general and the entire SJW crap. someone says something "wrong" and they are demonized to the fullest extent.

does this contribute to rational conversations, or is it the equiv of people in here jumping to their own conclusion and being a part of the problem? when you disagree with someone on the left and they instantly call you racist, what do you do in return?

You laugh at them and tell them they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. Same thing I do as I constantly get attacked in here and labeled a Leftist

yea, both sides are quick to label. i suppose we all think the other side takes it to an extreme but until more people realize their own role in all this, this is what we have.

 

[Slade3200]

I think PC can and has gone way to far, but I don’t think driving a culture of in your face insults is the answer. Especially when it is propt up by hyperbole and misinformation

sometimes you gotta fight the way it comes at you. these days the left hurls insults like hershey flings candy to fat kids at halloween. don't agree with them NAZI!! RACIST!!! and the like. if someone "of color" doesn't toe the line, they go crazy on them and demonize them also.

i don't say it's a good or bad way to react to what the left is doing, no. but as you said above, how you handle things dictates the responses you get.

is calling someone NAZI, RACIST and WHITE SUPREMACIST going to get a rational response from almost anyone?

equal application of standards, man.

I agree, but notice I didn’t call him any of those names in response to his comment. I did call him clueless and explained why. It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing game. Just because a bunch of left wing radicals call Trump racist at every other comment that doesn’t mean everything he does that is insensitive or inflammatory is ok or it can’t be called out. There is a reason why there is so much hate and vitriol against Trump and it’s not just because of his party or policy positions. He continually makes these gafs and the unapologetically doubles down instead of clarifying or apologizing when any decent person would do either of those things. True racists and bigots then become emboldened to back up Trump during these type of debates and the whole thing gets conflated and turns into an ugly mess.

not you per se. but the left in general and the entire SJW crap. someone says something "wrong" and they are demonized to the fullest extent.

does this contribute to rational conversations, or is it the equiv of people in here jumping to their own conclusion and being a part of the problem? when you disagree with someone on the left and they instantly call you racist, what do you do in return?

You laugh at them and tell them they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. Same thing I do as I constantly get attacked in here and labeled a Leftist

yea, both sides are quick to label. i suppose we all think the other side takes it to an extreme but until more people realize their own role in all this, this is what we have.

I like to hope it's just a small but loud minority on both sides and the majority of people sit in the middle. Change needs to come from our leaders and lately they all have been doing a piss poor job of setting good examples. The media is horrible on both sides as well

 

[Timmy]

Why don’t we live in the now . The reason blacks (and all minorities actually) go with the Dems is because the gop harbors racists . It’s a bit of a deal breaker.

Even the gop talking point of “blacks have been bought off by the Dems “ and “blacks on the dem plantation “ IS RACIST! You imply they are all on welfare!

You can’t even pause your racism in a feeble effort to Court blacks and minorities!

The Dems are no saints , but they are 10x better than the alternative.

well please explain today the advantage of being black in poor school districts that are all democratic and continuing to vote for the same people that keep one in squaller?

Democratic ? The worst school districts are in red states .

you have a link?
well in TN a redstate the worst districts are in Memphis a city with no republicans near the government of it.

State pulls the strings on education. A city can only do so much .

 

[iceberg]

sometimes you gotta fight the way it comes at you. these days the left hurls insults like hershey flings candy to fat kids at halloween. don't agree with them NAZI!! RACIST!!! and the like. if someone "of color" doesn't toe the line, they go crazy on them and demonize them also.

i don't say it's a good or bad way to react to what the left is doing, no. but as you said above, how you handle things dictates the responses you get.

is calling someone NAZI, RACIST and WHITE SUPREMACIST going to get a rational response from almost anyone?

equal application of standards, man.

I agree, but notice I didn’t call him any of those names in response to his comment. I did call him clueless and explained why. It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing game. Just because a bunch of left wing radicals call Trump racist at every other comment that doesn’t mean everything he does that is insensitive or inflammatory is ok or it can’t be called out. There is a reason why there is so much hate and vitriol against Trump and it’s not just because of his party or policy positions. He continually makes these gafs and the unapologetically doubles down instead of clarifying or apologizing when any decent person would do either of those things. True racists and bigots then become emboldened to back up Trump during these type of debates and the whole thing gets conflated and turns into an ugly mess.

not you per se. but the left in general and the entire SJW crap. someone says something "wrong" and they are demonized to the fullest extent.

does this contribute to rational conversations, or is it the equiv of people in here jumping to their own conclusion and being a part of the problem? when you disagree with someone on the left and they instantly call you racist, what do you do in return?

You laugh at them and tell them they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. Same thing I do as I constantly get attacked in here and labeled a Leftist

yea, both sides are quick to label. i suppose we all think the other side takes it to an extreme but until more people realize their own role in all this, this is what we have.

I like to hope it's just a small but loud minority on both sides and the majority of people sit in the middle. Change needs to come from our leaders and lately they all have been doing a piss poor job of setting good examples. The media is horrible on both sides as well

yep. it's like watching the kids fight over stupid shit.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

/——/ Actually they voted Republican starting after the Civil War up until LBJs New Deal.

 

[iceberg]

Blacks will keep voting Democratic, and the negrophobe whites will keep voting Republican.

Just like Nixon's man said would happen.

And now you can add Islamophobes and homophobes to the GOP roster. The exact same strategy is being used to this very day.

"We interrupt this Fox News broadcast for another Blacks Behaving Badly alert!"

you are a tard.....that is the propaganda...not reality.....sorry man
you said the racists switch to become republicans.... NEVER happened......I gave many valid reasons to show it and you cant admit it......you're wrong
I don't give a fuck what the new York times says.....because they are biased......always have been a tool for democrats.

what laws did republicans vote for that were racist????

I did not say the racists switched. I said they were replaced by attrition.

The Republican Right is overrun with racists today. We see that every single day on this forum.

You are willfully blind.

The Southern Strategy was a raging success. Literally raging.

what the hell does that mean, replaced by attrition? they had extra racists in the closet and pulled them out when the og racists died???? Make some sense man.

But atleast we can agree the switch did not happen...your leftwing buddies will hate you for acknowledging that.

The negrophobes who grew up under the Southern Strategy chose to become Republicans instead of Democrats. All caught up now, tard?

You denied the strategy even existed. I showed you just how wrong you were. You are nothing but a brainless parroting rube.

negrophobes? are they the children of the racists?

i think that's what happens when the aliens come down and "snatch" a black body.

they're honkiphobes when they snatch white people.

GR can't make a post w/o slapping someone so i quit paying attention. everyone's a rube. we need to get him a thesaurus for xmas or something.

 

[Some Guy]

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

I do also think that it's gotten to the point that no matter what he says, certain people will take it out of context and find a reason to hate him for whatever he says. You could see that in the State of the Union address when he noted that black unemployment was at a record low and democrats sat their all frowny-faced about it. If Trump does reach out to try to unite on something, it requires someone there willing to take his hand. There's none of that right now, and it's both sides' fault.

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

he isn't PC. that bugs the left. the left like to be coddled. they never tell it like it is, always sugar coat it. It ain't him.

He also says a lot of shit that's objectively false or objectively stupid. You can't just chalk it all up to "he's not PC."

no, see you won't accept the man for who he is. you have an object person in mind and he doesn't fit the mold so you just refuse to let him be him. He exaggerates. so fking what? how does it hurt someone if he thinks he has a bigger crowd? I mean are you all really that shallow to argue that two years? Wow. He plays the left by being objectively stupid. it raises up truths they really don't want exposed. It's hilarious to watch the reaction he gets when he does his shit. truly!!! And he ain't PC. you don't get him, I do.

I think i get him better than you do.

Long story short, he's the sledgehammer that the republicans needed to get a lot of their messages across that no one else in their party could. Romney and McCain just took the attacks from the left and didn't fight back while Trump was the exact opposite. He was unapologetic in his approach and a real celebrity in a society that idolizes celebrities now. He represents a lot of conservative principles and Trump is the vehicle by which those policies get put into motion. And because he's an effective tool for that job, his supporters will make excuses for why he's not the right tool for some of the jobs of the president and defend him irrationally because of it. He's only got into trouble because of the things he says really, not so much the things he does (which is just political disagreements). He's brash, insecure and shoots from the hip without thinking and that leads him to say a lot of stupid, false and dividing type things. As president, one of the most important things to do is be a unifying force. I'm not saying Obama was that either but Trump isn't a unifier at all, and that's ultimately damaging.

I agree with plenty of Trump's policy within the big government prism, though i'd prefer someone who'd fight for genuinely smaller government. Where i can really appreciate Trump is that his mere presence and the way he conducts himself has completely exposed the bias in the media and has outed much of the democratic party as pseudo socialists. He's forced anyone with some objectivity to realize just how biased their news sources are and have been for quite some time, which forces people to think about what they really believe in. I know cause i'm one of them. I never would've have gone on a deeper political/cultural exploration were it not for seeing some of the unmitigated craziness going on around the country due in part to Trump driving out the crazies on both sides. Him winning the presidency could easily turn out to be one of the best things to happen to a slowly fracturing nation whereby people take a much more active role in educating themselves and questioning a lot more about what they thought they knew.

Or maybe that's just the optimist in me.

dude, he won the election and the first thing out the dems mouth was russia russia and impeach him. sorry, but they lost all credibility and lost all respect.

Dude, that's basically what i said. On the right though as well, you had some news sources playing cheerleader and apologist for Trump. There's very few places to go for somewhat objective news and it's never been clearer.