Bloomberg Helping Ex Felons In Florida To Vote

[Coyote]

Most states restore the franchise to felons who served their time. In Fla, the issue was that the vast maj of felons were blacks who committed drug crimes. The citizens voted to let them vote. The legislature and state SC said only if they pay fines and court costs. Surprise surprise surprise .. the felons are vastly poor and vastly black. Is this a poll tax? The SC said "no, it's not a poll tax, it's part of their sentences!"

Kudos to Bloomberg.

Correct, because now somebody may have to bailout Bloomberg as that is a third degree felony in the state.

How is fundraising or donating funding for this group: About - Florida Rights Restoration Coalition a felony?

 

[Coyote]

There's no bribery. The felons whose right to vote is restored can vote any way they please. The more people who vote, and whose ballots are counted, is a good thing.

It's not a :good thing" if the motivation is cash inducement to vote a certain way.
That's a felony! And under any circumstances it's a third class felony under Florida state law.
You idiots think you can sit there and insist up is down and day is night and get your way. Amazing.

And, it's not a coincidence that most of the felons who are black and poor want to be denied the right to vote by republicans. But not all republicans believe our judicial system is fair.

ALL felons, black or white, lose the right to vote, among other things, by virtue of being a felon.
You can blame the white devil all you want. I doubt anyone will listen to you, rightly so.

And since you brought it up one of the ways we can tell this is a bribery scam is the way Bloomberg has targeted blacks and Hispanics only for this brazenly illegal stunt.

Where is the inducement to vote a certain way?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Matt Gaetz is a flaming idiot. Mini-Mike is doing no such thing. Bribe? Please - They can vote however they wish.

Yes BRIBE------------that he has admitted that he is giving money to in exchange for votes.

He fundraised and gave the money to an organization that restores felon voting rights. So what?

Does that mean anyone - ANYONE who gives money to political organizations, is guilty of buying votes?

That's what they are going to investigate.

"[Under Florida law] it’s a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes," Gaetz explained. "So the question is whether or not paying off someone’s fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.

Bloomberg said about the money: We know in order to win Florida, we need to persuade, motivate, and add new voters to the Biden column.

So what he's doing is admitting he's paying off their restitutions to get ex-cons to vote for Biden, as if it needed to be said, given the fact most of them are black, and most all blacks vote Democrat. Bloomberg belongs in prison.

Gaetz calls for election bribery probe of Bloomberg over pledge to pay Florida felons' fines

House Judiciary Committee member Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., told "Hannity" Tuesday that he has spoken with Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody about potentially launching a bribery investigation into former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

www.foxnews.com

 

[bendog]

Not necessarily, but that IS his right.

There is no right to bribery but we understand you are sinking now and will grab onto anything to keep your head above water.

How is donating to a perfectly legal group that restores felon voting rights bribery? You're stretching.

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

 

[Coyote]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

So what's wrong with helping them pay it?

 

[Turtlesoup]

Bribery is against the law.

Is it bribery though?
If it is simply a gift with no strings attached, then where is the bribe to do something?
Of course if it is a gift then it will need to be acknowledged on the receiver's tax return although they probably don't pay taxes anyway.

Yes Sweetheart-----

bloomberg actually stated that he was giving them money because they would vote for Biden which is btw, being scrubbed by the internet as we speak. Which btw, I posted on the other thread about this subject.

Besides that comment we also have this new one from Bloomberg


The funding is intended to cover the financial obligations of nearly 32,000 black and Hispanic voters with felony convictions, according to the newspaper, and to be clear, Bloomberg is targeting potential Democratic voters.

“We have identified a significant vote share that requires a nominal investment,” a Bloomberg memo read, according to the Post. “The data shows that in Florida, black voters are a unique universe unlike any other voting bloc, where the Democratic support rate tends to be 90%-95%.”

(Which is illegal as hell...and bloomberg should have kept his mouth quiet because now if he gives out this money--he will be going to prison----I think we will see more scrubbing of Bloombergs earlier comments and that this money now will not be given out------but this won't stop bloomberg from attempt other illegal stunts.)



And two----From the NY post to explain florida laws:


“[Under Florida law] it’s a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes. So the question is whether or not paying off someone’s fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does. If Michael Bloomberg was offering to pay off people’s credit card debts, you would obviously see the value in that.

“When you improve someone’s net worth by eliminating their financial liabilities, that’s something of value. Normally, it would be very difficult to prove that that was directly linked to impacting whether or not someone was going to vote. But they literally wrote their own admission,” the Florida Republican argued, referencing a Washington Post report.


“[Under Florida law] it’s a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes. So the question is whether or not paying off someone’s fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does. If Michael Bloomberg was offering to pay off people’s credit card debts, you would obviously see the value in that.

“When you improve someone’s net worth by eliminating their financial liabilities, that’s something of value. Normally, it would be very difficult to prove that that was directly linked to impacting whether or not someone was going to vote. But they literally wrote their own admission,” the Florida Republican argued, referencing a Washington Post report.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

So what's wrong with helping them pay it?

You mean besides being against the law or something else?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Where is the inducement to vote a certain way?

It's inherently implied when someone pays off all your legal penalties and that person wants you to vote for his candidate. Don't be a fucking ass!

 

[Dick Foster]

It is just adaucious how much Democrats simply assume that they wont be prosecuted for this shit. They know the DC Establishment has their back.

ZeroHedge

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Beyond Bloomberg, several philanthropic groups have poured money into paying off debts owed by felons - including a nonprofit founded by LeBron James. Bloomberg's effort, meanwhile, is "narrowly focused only on Black and Hispanic voters" whose debts are less than $1,500.​

​

"Mike wanted to get this done for two reasons," a Bloomberg adviser told the Post. "One, because it’s the right thing to do for the democracy. And two, because it immediately activates tens of thousands of voters who are predisposed to vote for Joe Biden."​

​

The Bloomberg memo pointed out that the 31,790 targeted voters, including 25,548 who are Black, are nearly equivalent to the margin by which Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis won election in 2018, and about three times as big as the margin that elected Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) that same year.​

It said Florida voters have largely already made up their minds about the November election, leaving “only a small margin of voters that are targets for persuasion.” -Washington Post​

​

"We know to win Florida we will need to persuade, motivate and add new votes to the Biden column," reads the document. "This means we need to explore all avenues for finding the needed votes when so many votes are already determined."​

Buying votes is a Democrat tradition, but it is illegal and they dont give a shit.

Sounds to me like a great excuse to bring back capital punishment. Only this time they are limited to one and only one appeal and then it's on to the guillotine for immediate execution of sentence.

 

[Coyote]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

So what's wrong with helping them pay it?

You mean besides being against the law or something else?

You guys keep saying that. But you don't really offer any evidence.

1. Is donating or fundraising for a non-profit that helps felons regain their rights ILLEGAL?
2. Is personally paying a felon's fines for them ILLEGAL (and note...this is where discrimination against poor people could come in).
3. Is any individual who pays a felon's fine...guilty of an ILLEGAL act?

 

[irosie91]

Bribery is against the law.

Like paying farmers so they'll vote for Trump?

Or extorting the Ukrainian president for dirt on a political opponent?

Paying farmers?

Yes PAYING FARMERS to the tune of around triple what the auto bailout cost us.
Ya figure that ongoing fiasco thanks to his idiotic trade war with China might have something to do with it?
Jesus, I've had about enough of this BS today.

‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back

The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

www.politico.com

oh----their loss of soybean profits. YES---the USA should buy and process the soybeans in some sort of
public works --new deal--type employment program ---in my much vaunted opinion. I am all for it. MISO for the american masses

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

So what's wrong with helping them pay it?

You mean besides being against the law or something else?

You guys keep saying that. But you don't really offer any evidence.

1. Is donating or fundraising for a non-profit that helps felons regain their rights ILLEGAL?
2. Is personally paying a felon's fines for them ILLEGAL (and note...this is where discrimination against poor people could come in).
3. Is any individual who pays a felon's fine...guilty of an ILLEGAL act?

You should have read my post, or better yet, go to the link and watch the video. The answer is yes. It's illegal to give a person something of value to influence them to vote. Bloomberg stated that's exactly what he was doing.

 

[irosie91]

It is just adaucious how much Democrats simply assume that they wont be prosecuted for this shit. They know the DC Establishment has their back.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Beyond Bloomberg, several philanthropic groups have poured money into paying off debts owed by felons - including a nonprofit founded by LeBron James. Bloomberg's effort, meanwhile, is "narrowly focused only on Black and Hispanic voters" whose debts are less than $1,500.​

​

"Mike wanted to get this done for two reasons," a Bloomberg adviser told the Post. "One, because it’s the right thing to do for the democracy. And two, because it immediately activates tens of thousands of voters who are predisposed to vote for Joe Biden."​

​

The Bloomberg memo pointed out that the 31,790 targeted voters, including 25,548 who are Black, are nearly equivalent to the margin by which Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis won election in 2018, and about three times as big as the margin that elected Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) that same year.​

It said Florida voters have largely already made up their minds about the November election, leaving “only a small margin of voters that are targets for persuasion.” -Washington Post​

​

"We know to win Florida we will need to persuade, motivate and add new votes to the Biden column," reads the document. "This means we need to explore all avenues for finding the needed votes when so many votes are already determined."​

Buying votes is a Democrat tradition, but it is illegal and they dont give a shit.

Sounds to me like a great excuse to bring back capital punishment. Only this time they are limited to one and only one appeal and then it's on to the guillotine for immediate execution of sentence.

the king of my town has already filled the streets with
felons

 

[irosie91]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

So what's wrong with helping them pay it?

You mean besides being against the law or something else?

You guys keep saying that. But you don't really offer any evidence.

1. Is donating or fundraising for a non-profit that helps felons regain their rights ILLEGAL?
2. Is personally paying a felon's fines for them ILLEGAL (and note...this is where discrimination against poor people could come in).
3. Is any individual who pays a felon's fine...guilty of an ILLEGAL act?

You should have read my post, or better yet, go to the link and watch the video. The answer is yes. It's illegal to give a person something of value to influence them to vote. Bloomberg stated that's exactly what he was doing.

he did? you got a link? "I am paying their fines and debts so that they vote for Biden ---and that woman?

 

[Coyote]

Matt Gaetz is a flaming idiot. Mini-Mike is doing no such thing. Bribe? Please - They can vote however they wish.

Yes BRIBE------------that he has admitted that he is giving money to in exchange for votes.

He fundraised and gave the money to an organization that restores felon voting rights. So what?

Does that mean anyone - ANYONE who gives money to political organizations, is guilty of buying votes?

That's what they are going to investigate.

"[Under Florida law] it’s a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes," Gaetz explained. "So the question is whether or not paying off someone’s fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.

Bloomberg said about the money: We know in order to win Florida, we need to persuade, motivate, and add new voters to the Biden column.

So what he's doing is admitting he's paying off their restitutions to get ex-cons to vote for Biden, as if it needed to be said, given the fact most of them are black, and most all blacks vote Democrat. Bloomberg belongs in prison.

Gaetz calls for election bribery probe of Bloomberg over pledge to pay Florida felons' fines

House Judiciary Committee member Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., told "Hannity" Tuesday that he has spoken with Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody about potentially launching a bribery investigation into former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

www.foxnews.com

Nothing illegal there unless there is a "pro-quo" attached. If he gave the money to a non-profit that non-politically uses it, how is that illegal? People can do all sorts of things legally to "get out the vote". For example, they can rent a bus and drive people after church down to their polling place - but the can't discuss voting with them, encourage or pressure or make it conditional upon a certain candidate - that's where it becomes illegal.

Bloomberg is arrogant, but he isn't stupid. If he fundraised and donated the money to this non-profit, with no strings attached (ie - telling them it can only go to Biden voters) - then he didn't do anything illegal.

Serves Florida right for disregarding the will of their voters in restoring felon voting rights, frankly.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You guys keep saying that. But you don't really offer any evidence.

1. Is donating or fundraising for a non-profit that helps felons regain their rights ILLEGAL?
2. Is personally paying a felon's fines for them ILLEGAL (and note...this is where discrimination against poor people could come in).
3. Is any individual who pays a felon's fine...guilty of an ILLEGAL act?

LOOK, the act by Bloomberg itself is an inducement to commit voting fraud in exchange for payment
of legal penalties.
It's already been proved that under Florida state law such a quid pro quo arrangement is, on it's face, a third
class felony.
How many felons want that tacked onto their rap sheet? Is Bllomberg a philanthropist and if so why does his philanthropy extend only to black and Hispanic felons, the groups most likely to vote for Joe Biden?

This isn't something that needs to be discussed and analyzed.

 

[irosie91]

Most states restore the franchise to felons who served their time. In Fla, the issue was that the vast maj of felons were blacks who committed drug crimes. The citizens voted to let them vote. The legislature and state SC said only if they pay fines and court costs. Surprise surprise surprise .. the felons are vastly poor and vastly black. Is this a poll tax? The SC said "no, it's not a poll tax, it's part of their sentences!"

Kudos to Bloomberg.

Correct, because now somebody may have to bailout Bloomberg as that is a third degree felony in the state.

I am intrigued with the "too poor to pay" Just how much money are we talking about? "court costs"??
"fines" ? people who serve a jail sentence get FINES
latched onto their sentences

 

[Coyote]

Besides, if anyone is complaining about more people being able to vote, when the reason they can't vote is because they can't afford to pay a fine …… the reason they're complaining is they don't want poor people to vote. AND THAT SUCKS.

And it's NOT a partisan issue. It's a basic tenant of being American.

Another tenant of being American is obeying the law and paying your debt to society when you don't.
Poor people can vote until they are blue in face so your disingenuous bullshit is absurd.
But as long as they still owe restitution or other penalties from time in prison they may not vote.

It's just as simple and fair as that. So eff off!

So what's wrong with helping them pay it?

You mean besides being against the law or something else?

You guys keep saying that. But you don't really offer any evidence.

1. Is donating or fundraising for a non-profit that helps felons regain their rights ILLEGAL?
2. Is personally paying a felon's fines for them ILLEGAL (and note...this is where discrimination against poor people could come in).
3. Is any individual who pays a felon's fine...guilty of an ILLEGAL act?

You should have read my post, or better yet, go to the link and watch the video. The answer is yes. It's illegal to give a person something of value to influence them to vote. Bloomberg stated that's exactly what he was doing.

What he stated is irrelevant. It's what he DID. You can legally donate money to a cause and HOPE it will bring your candidate more voters. That is what it sounds like frankly.

 

[irosie91]

Matt Gaetz is a flaming idiot. Mini-Mike is doing no such thing. Bribe? Please - They can vote however they wish.

Yes BRIBE------------that he has admitted that he is giving money to in exchange for votes.

He fundraised and gave the money to an organization that restores felon voting rights. So what?

Does that mean anyone - ANYONE who gives money to political organizations, is guilty of buying votes?

That's what they are going to investigate.

"[Under Florida law] it’s a third-degree felony for someone to either directly or indirectly provide something of value to impact whether or not someone votes," Gaetz explained. "So the question is whether or not paying off someone’s fines and legal obligations counts as something of value, and it clearly does.

Bloomberg said about the money: We know in order to win Florida, we need to persuade, motivate, and add new voters to the Biden column.

So what he's doing is admitting he's paying off their restitutions to get ex-cons to vote for Biden, as if it needed to be said, given the fact most of them are black, and most all blacks vote Democrat. Bloomberg belongs in prison.

Gaetz calls for election bribery probe of Bloomberg over pledge to pay Florida felons' fines

House Judiciary Committee member Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., told "Hannity" Tuesday that he has spoken with Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody about potentially launching a bribery investigation into former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

www.foxnews.com

Nothing illegal there unless there is a "pro-quo" attached. If he gave the money to a non-profit that non-politically uses it, how is that illegal? People can do all sorts of things legally to "get out the vote". For example, they can rent a bus and drive people after church down to their polling place - but the can't discuss voting with them, encourage or pressure or make it conditional upon a certain candidate - that's where it becomes illegal.

Bloomberg is arrogant, but he isn't stupid. If he fundraised and donated the money to this non-profit, with no strings attached (ie - telling them it can only go to Biden voters) - then he didn't do anything illegal.

Serves Florida right for disregarding the will of their voters in restoring felon voting rights, frankly.

oh he just donated to an EX-CON help group? ----
how is that illegal?