Blues States banning travel to Indiana is an Act of War

[Skylar]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

So when SalesForce decides its not going to do business in Iran...its an act of war against Iran?

What country or state is SalsForce a government in?

Look it up. I'm not Wikipedia.

 

[Pogo]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

What is a State of War (according to John Locke)?
John Locke Second Treatise of Civil Government Chapter 3

In My opinion, it is the first salvo of the New American Civil War.

Clearly, choosing not to travel to Indiana is exactly the same thing Hitler did invading Poland.

 

[Darkwind]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

So when SalesForce decides its not going to do business in Iran...its an act of war against Iran?

What country or state is SalsForce a government in?

Look it up. I'm not Wikipedia.

Wow...

SalesForce is NOT a government agency of any kind. It is a private business......Wow...

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

What is a State of War (according to John Locke)?
John Locke Second Treatise of Civil Government Chapter 3

In My opinion, it is the first salvo of the New American Civil War.

Clearly, choosing not to travel to Indiana is exactly the same thing Hitler did invading Poland.

Are you claiming that travel bans are Friendly Actions? Do they express Peace between States?

 

[Skylar]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

What is a State of War (according to John Locke)?
John Locke Second Treatise of Civil Government Chapter 3

In My opinion, it is the first salvo of the New American Civil War.

Nope. See, here's the problem: folks under 30 don't have a problem with gays. In fact, you have to go all the way to the 65+ group before you'll find a demo where the majority opposes gay marriage or gay rights. Wars generally aren't fought by seniors. They're fought by young men.

And millenials aren't killing anyone because some geezer doesn't like gay folks. Your 'new american civil war' has plenty of arm chair warriors. But precious few actual soldiers. There's always an excuse why its someone else's responsibility to fight. Always some excuse why the arm chair commando themselves won't actualy fight themselves.

Its a sea of half-assed Jeffersons. And not a Hamilton or Washington among them.

 

[Skylar]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

So when SalesForce decides its not going to do business in Iran...its an act of war against Iran?

What country or state is SalsForce a government in?

Look it up. I'm not Wikipedia.

Wow...

SalesForce is NOT a government agency of any kind. It is a private business......Wow...

ANd where in the OP did it say anything about a 'government agency'?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Nope. See, here's the problem: folks under 30 don't have a problem with gays. In fact, you have to go all the way to the 65+ group before you'll find a demo where the majority opposes gay marriage or gay rights. Wars generally aren't fought by seniors. They're fought by young men.

And millenials aren't killing anyone because some geezer doesn't like gay folks. Your 'new american civil war' has plenty of arm chair warriors. But precious few actual soldiers. There's always an excuse why its someone else's responsibility to fight. Always some excuse why the arm chair commando themselves won't actualy fight themselves.

Its a sea of half-assed Jeffersons. And not a Hamilton or Washington among them.

Nope, see the problem here is you're talking about Indiana.

Even if (hypothetically) Indiana is 100% in the wrong among its citizenry, that does not enable other States in the Union to commission Acts of War against them.

So try to stay on topic, we're talking about New York, San Fran and other blue states/cities committing Acts of War with intent to make Indiana suffer.

 

[Skylar]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

What is a State of War (according to John Locke)?
John Locke Second Treatise of Civil Government Chapter 3

In My opinion, it is the first salvo of the New American Civil War.

Clearly, choosing not to travel to Indiana is exactly the same thing Hitler did invading Poland.

Are you claiming that travel bans are Friendly Actions? Do they express Peace between States?

What travel ban? Anyone from NY can go there. And there's no prohibition on public money being spent on travel to Indiana. Only a restriction on public money being spent on travel that isn't part of State duties.

So how is that an 'act of war'?

 

[Skylar]

Nope. See, here's the problem: folks under 30 don't have a problem with gays. In fact, you have to go all the way to the 65+ group before you'll find a demo where the majority opposes gay marriage or gay rights. Wars generally aren't fought by seniors. They're fought by young men.

And millenials aren't killing anyone because some geezer doesn't like gay folks. Your 'new american civil war' has plenty of arm chair warriors. But precious few actual soldiers. There's always an excuse why its someone else's responsibility to fight. Always some excuse why the arm chair commando themselves won't actualy fight themselves.

Its a sea of half-assed Jeffersons. And not a Hamilton or Washington among them.

Nope, see the problem here is you're talking about Indiana.

Even if (hypothetically) Indiana is 100% in the wrong among its citizenry, that does not enable other States in the Union to commission Acts of War against them.

So try to stay on topic, we're talking about New York, San Fran and other blue states/cities committing Acts of War with intent to make Indiana suffer.

What acts of war? What travel ban? Anyone from NY York can travel to Indiana.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

So how is that an 'act of war'?

Are you claiming it's an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?

 

[Skylar]

So how is that an 'act of war'?

Are you claiming it's an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?

I'm asking you how that is an act of war. And you have no answer. There is no travel ban. Anyone from NY can travel to Indiana. And public money can be spent on travel to Indiana for any state duty.

I don't think 'act of war' means what you think it means.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Seems to be a violation of the commerce clause for sure.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

So how is that an 'act of war'?

Are you claiming it's an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?

I'm asking you how that is an act of war. And you have no answer. There is no travel ban. Anyone from NY can travel to Indiana. And public money can be spent on travel to Indiana for any state duty.

I don't think 'act of war' means what you think it means.

Are you claiming it's an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?

 

[Pogo]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

What is a State of War (according to John Locke)?
John Locke Second Treatise of Civil Government Chapter 3

In My opinion, it is the first salvo of the New American Civil War.

Clearly, choosing not to travel to Indiana is exactly the same thing Hitler did invading Poland.

Are you claiming that travel bans are Friendly Actions? Do they express Peace between States?

Are you claiming any action that "does not express 'Peace between States'" is war?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Seems to be a violation of the commerce clause for sure.

Which is the primary motivation behind the Constitution, a uniform commercial code among States and free trade between them.

 

[Skylar]

Seems to be a violation of the commerce clause for sure.

How so? Where does the commerce clause require states to spend public money on travel outside state duties?

 

[rightwinger]

Travels bans and economic sanctions and trade bans, this was our policy towards Cuba, Iran and many other hostile nations.

Indiana has committed no Act of War against the Blue States, why are the Blue States committing Acts of War against Indiana for how Indiana chooses to govern its own citizenry? This is a one of the States in our Union. These actions are INTENDED and PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be DESIGNED to make INDIANA SUFFER.

If an action with both design and intent to make a state suffer is NOT an Act of War, what is?

Travels bans on States that do not infringe on 1st Amendment Religious Freedom, what's next, trade embargoes and blockades of 2nd Amendment Open Carry States?

Where does this stop?

What is a State of War (according to John Locke)?
John Locke Second Treatise of Civil Government Chapter 3

CHAP. III.

Of the State of War.

Sec. 16. THE state of war is a state of enmity and destruction: and therefore declaring by word or action, not a passionate and hasty, but a sedate settled design upon another man's life, puts him in a state of war with him against whom he has declared such an intention, and so has exposed his life to the other's power to be taken away by him, or any one that joins with him in his defence, and espouses his quarrel; it being reasonable and just, I should have a right to destroy that which threatens me with destruction: for, by the fundamental law of nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred: and one may destroy a man who makes war upon him, or has discovered an enmity to his being, for the same reason that he may kill a wolf or a lion; because such men are not under the ties of the commonlaw of reason, have no other rule, but that of force and violence, and so may be treated as beasts of prey, those dangerous and noxious creatures, that will be sure to destroy him whenever he falls into their power.

Sec. 17. And hence it is, that he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power, does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life: for I have reason to conclude, that he who would get me into his power without my consent, would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it; for no body can desire to have me in his absolute power, unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom, i.e. make me a slave. To be free from such force is the only security of my preservation; and reason bids me look on him, as an enemy to my preservation, who would take away that freedom which is the fence to it; so that he who makes an attempt to enslave me, thereby puts himself into a state of war with me. He that, in the state of nature, would take away the freedom that belongs to any one in that state, must necessarily be supposed to have a foundation of all the rest; as he that in the state of society, would take away the freedom belonging to those of that society or commonwealth, must be supposed to design to take away from them every thing else, and so be looked on as in a state of war.

You funny

 

[Skylar]

Seems to be a violation of the commerce clause for sure.

Which is the primary motivation behind the Constitution, a uniform commercial code among States and free trade between them.

And what 'commercial code' is violated? There's no travel ban. There's no restriction on any commercial action. And public funds can still be spent on any travel to indiana that's required by state duties.

So......how is that an 'act of war'? Your analogy has pretty much collapsed.

 

[Skylar]

So how is that an 'act of war'?

Are you claiming it's an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?

I'm asking you how that is an act of war. And you have no answer. There is no travel ban. Anyone from NY can travel to Indiana. And public money can be spent on travel to Indiana for any state duty.

I don't think 'act of war' means what you think it means.

Are you claiming it's an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?

So you have no answer to how its an 'act of war'. Which is exactly my point. If even you can't articulate how NY refusing to spend public money on travel to Indiana that isn't part of a state duty is an 'act of war', then your argument is already dead.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

And what 'commercial code' is violated? There's no travel ban. There's no restriction on any commercial action. And public funds can still be spent on any travel to indiana that's required by state duties.

So......how is that an 'act of war'? Your analogy has pretty much collapsed.

Are you claiming is is an Act of Peace and Goodwill between States?