Both Sides?

[LoneLaugher]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

 

[Maxdeath]

Lol that has to be the craziest most lopsided argument I have ever heard.

Now let me do it.
Liberals want to have more people on welfare and dependent on them for everything. They want to increase the minimum wage so they can have unchecked inflation so that those in congress can fill their pockets fuller.

Conservatives want a border wall because they feel that over 400 deaths each year attempting to cross a desert ahead of those who do it legally is not only wrong but deplorable. They want everyone to make a decent living without creating more welfare or run away inflation.

See you can play partisan hack all you want but I purposely showed the liberals in a bad light on purpose where as you did it because you don't know any better.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Lol that has to be the craziest most lopsided argument I have ever heard.

Now let me do it.
Liberals want to have more people on welfare and dependent on them for everything. They want to increase the minimum wage so they can have unchecked inflation so that those in congress can fill their pockets fuller.

Conservatives want a border wall because they feel that over 400 deaths each year attempting to cross a desert ahead of those who do it legally is not only wrong but deplorable. They want everyone to make a decent living without creating more welfare or run away inflation.

See you can play partisan hack all you want but I purposely showed the liberals in a bad light on purpose where as you did it because you don't know any better.

I did what?

Is my understanding of the conservative message on immigration grossly inaccurate?

 

[Votto]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump. They are 100% powerless. Democracy is a joke.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

 

[edward37]

Lol that has to be the craziest most lopsided argument I have ever heard.

Now let me do it.
Liberals want to have more people on welfare and dependent on them for everything. They want to increase the minimum wage so they can have unchecked inflation so that those in congress can fill their pockets fuller.

Conservatives want a border wall because they feel that over 400 deaths each year attempting to cross a desert ahead of those who do it legally is not only wrong but deplorable. They want everyone to make a decent living without creating more welfare or run away inflation.

See you can play partisan hack all you want but I purposely showed the liberals in a bad light on purpose where as you did it because you don't know any better.

I did what?

Is my understanding of the conservative message on immigration grossly inaccurate?

Max death wins a prize A trumpy doll

 

[Votto]

What is hilarious is, there is no controversy here. Securing the border does not mean stopping immigration, rather, it simply means that the US government controls the said immigration.

The people should decide who gets in and who does not by voting and the only way to preserve this right is to secure the border.

 

[Siete]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

 

[Votto]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

 

[edward37]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

The drugs will come by ocean air and land What will the great orange POS do to stop it?

 

[sparky]

More fat for the partisan fire fellas?

Y'all know the drill, twist around stances to make them appear what they're not

Foist accusations w/o substaintiation

Accuse the opposition of exactly what your guilty of

And then claim yourself a patriot!

~S~

 

[Siete]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

fuck off moron -


Tanker At Center of Record Heroin Bust – gCaptain

a tanker pulls up to the border wall, an ICE agent yells HALT !!

 

[edward37]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

You got something against drug lords? Some are good people

 

[dudmuck]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump. They are 100% powerless. Democracy is a joke.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

200 americans a day lost to drugs?
Actually its the drug war itself which is responsible for the illegal immigration.

Plus, Trump himself has illegals making his bed and working his golf courses.
Those who make it economically favorable to come here are inviting them.

 

[Votto]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

fuck off moron -


Tanker At Center of Record Heroin Bust – gCaptain

a tanker pulls up to the border wall, an ICE agent yells HALT !!

200 people die a day from drug overdoses and YOU want to let things remain like they are?

You either are being paid to say these things or you just like watching people die.

Which is it?

 

[Votto]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump. They are 100% powerless. Democracy is a joke.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

200 americans a day lost to drugs?
Actually its the drug war itself which is responsible for the illegal immigration.

Plus, Trump himself has illegals making his bed and working his golf courses.
Those who make it economically favorable to come here are inviting them.

The great lie is, the war on drugs cannot be won.

Countries like Singapore show us otherwise.

It can be won, if you have the will to do so.

 

[edward37]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

fuck off moron -


Tanker At Center of Record Heroin Bust – gCaptain

a tanker pulls up to the border wall, an ICE agent yells HALT !!

200 people die a day from drug overdoses and YOU want to let things remain like they are?

You either are being paid to say these things or you just like watching people die.

Which is it?

Speaking of drugs
Trump is a drug addict.


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Former Apprentice Staffer Noel Casler Accuses Donald Trump of Drug Use and Inappropriate Behavior
A comedian and former Celebrity Apprentice staffer has accused Donald Trump of recreational drug use

 

[sparky]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

You got something against drug lords? Some are good people

 

[Siete]

A common theme on these pages is that both liberals an conservatives are partisan hacks who will do or say anything if they believe it will push their agenda.

Is that really the case?

Ever hear of a "messaging box or a messaging profile"? It is a tool that campaigns use to evaluate their argument and how it is perceived by their target audience as well as the opposition.

For example....lets take the issue of immigration and make a simple messaging profile. In this example< "us" or "we" refer to USMB liberals while "them" or "they" refer to USMB conservatives.

What we believe our message is:

America's economy needs immigrant labor and our nation is stronger when it is more diverse. We want comprehensive reform with adequate border security and paths to legalization for dreamers and asylum seekers. A wall will not have any effect on ilegal immigration.

What they believe our message is:

Borders are unnecessary. If we let people come in freely,
they will benefit from our welfare system and then thank us by ilegally voting for us. We want to destroy American culture.

What they believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Diversity is not a strength. Dreamers should be deported
and then try to enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration.

What we believe their message is:

We don't need more immigrants because we have too many people who
are losing jobs to immigrants and immigrants are more likely to commit
crimes. Our laws are fine. Dreamers should be deported and then try to
enter in the proper manner. We cannot afford to help asylum seekers.
A wall will prevent ilegal immigration. Our rhetoric appeals to racists and white nationalists.


If we carry out this exercise with a variety of issues....and we do it honestly....I believe we will see a pattern of conservatives grossly misrepresenting the goals or aims or intentions of liberals. Both sides don't do it.

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

fuck off moron -


Tanker At Center of Record Heroin Bust – gCaptain

a tanker pulls up to the border wall, an ICE agent yells HALT !!

200 people die a day from drug overdoses and YOU want to let things remain like they are?

You either are being paid to say these things or you just like watching people die.

Which is it?

you're either a F'n idiot or brain dead imbecile - which is it.?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Is this thread too hard?

The idea is to do messaging profiles on issues to see if “both sides” grossly misrepresent the position of the other.

I say that cons do that to a greater degree.

 

[edward37]

My position has changed. I used to be naïve enough to believe that the GOP wanted to secure the border, but after seeing the GOP have power the last two years and rather fund Planned Parenthood than build the wall my position has changed.

We see governments in South America and Central America be controlled by the drug lords because of their vast wealth and power, but what of the US? Are we to believe that the politicians in the US are immune to their corrupt power?

Hell no. As a result, it matters little what the people rise up and do to secure the border by doing things like voting for Trump.

No, they have no voice. The will of the drug lords be done with an open border.

200 Americans a day lose their lives to drugs pouring across the border, and all our politicians can do is demagogue about the danger of guns that kill less than 1/2 that number a day.

Speaking of which, Obama can even arm the drug lords with guns with his illegal Fast and Furious program, yet he wants to take guns from law abiding citizens?

the drug war has been going on ever since Reagan .. a F'n wall wont put a chink in the armor in the different ways drug cartels smuggle dope into this country. Politicians know that a wall to stop drugs is futile.

RW's need to get a grip on reality.

Uh, huh.

And how much are you getting paid to say that?

Drug lord got your tongue?

fuck off moron -


Tanker At Center of Record Heroin Bust – gCaptain

a tanker pulls up to the border wall, an ICE agent yells HALT !!

200 people die a day from drug overdoses and YOU want to let things remain like they are?

You either are being paid to say these things or you just like watching people die.

Which is it?

Speaking of drugs
Trump is a drug addict.


About this website

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Former Apprentice Staffer Noel Casler Accuses Donald Trump of Drug Use and Inappropriate Behavior
A comedian and former Celebrity Apprentice staffer has accused Donald Trump of recreational drug use