Breaking! Here is the phone transcript word for word between Trump and Ukraine President

[Lesh]

The IG is running an investigation that includes Ukrainian interference in our election.

Would that be the same IG that deemed the whistle blower report to be urgent and credible?

We already know the whistleblower was full of shit.

Hmm, no, since you haven't read his report, you know fuck all about that. Nor do you know all about trump's conversations, as there was more than one, and the WH release was not a full account of the one conversation.

The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post said Trump offered quid pro quo. Are you saying they are full of shit?

"I" am saying that it doesn't matter. The mere ASK was a gross abuse of power.

The fact that there WAS IN THE TRANSCRIPT...a quid pro quo only makes it worse

 

[bripat9643]

That's a total pile of shit. I could spend all day debunking all the lies and idiocies you posted, but most forum members can already see what a dumbass you are.

We already know the whistleblower was full of shit.

Nor do you know all about trump's conversations, as there was more than one, and the WH release was not a full account of the one conversation.

Of course, Trump didn't do that. You got played because now you're getting called on the sleazy outrageous lies you're disgorging all over this forum.

Trump's base talk, but they don't say anything.

Maybe they need to re-think their priorities. Perhaps they should concern themselves with what Trump does and says, instead of mocking those who simply report what Trump does and says.

I report people who lie about what Trump does and says.

Maybe you should start telling the truth instead of your sleazy lies.

 

[Lesh]

Why is it that when Biden withheld funds to pressure Ukraine to fire the prosecutor, it is considered a crime, but when Trump just did the exact same thing, it is absolutely fine?

Biden was expressing the will of the U.S., the European Union, and other allies in wanting this corrupt prosecutor fired. That's the part that wingnuts like boedicca leave out.

B'loney. Biden threatened Ukraine in order to cover up his corruption and he did it with Obama's approval. That's one of the reasons why the Dems are desperate to destroy Trump.

You know this how?

I read and I pay attention.

Did you pay attention today when fox news said there was nothing to the biden ukraine allegations today when they had that panel on?

Here is what the Washington Examiner says

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin

They are calling Shokin (the corrupt prosecutor Biden helped get removed) a " Swamp Monster"

 

[basquebromance]

A quid and a quo, and Trump should go

 

[bripat9643]

The IG is running an investigation that includes Ukrainian interference in our election.

Would that be the same IG that deemed the whistle blower report to be urgent and credible?

We already know the whistleblower was full of shit.

Hmm, no, since you haven't read his report, you know fuck all about that. Nor do you know all about trump's conversations, as there was more than one, and the WH release was not a full account of the one conversation.

The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post said Trump offered quid pro quo. Are you saying they are full of shit?

"I" am saying that it doesn't matter. The mere ASK was a gross abuse of power.

The fact that there WAS IN THE TRANSCRIPT...a quid pro quo only makes it worse

There was no quid pro quo, and there isn't the slightest thing wrong with with asking to investigate a corrupt piece of shit like Biden. What is it that you sleazy turds always say? If they haven't done anything wrong, what are they afraid of?

 

[bripat9643]

Biden was expressing the will of the U.S., the European Union, and other allies in wanting this corrupt prosecutor fired. That's the part that wingnuts like boedicca leave out.

B'loney. Biden threatened Ukraine in order to cover up his corruption and he did it with Obama's approval. That's one of the reasons why the Dems are desperate to destroy Trump.

You know this how?

I read and I pay attention.

Did you pay attention today when fox news said there was nothing to the biden ukraine allegations today when they had that panel on?

Here is what the Washington Examiner says

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin

They are calling Shokin (the corrupt prosecutor Biden helped get removed) a " Swamp Monster"

What makes them credible?

 

[jknowgood]

He asked a simple question. No quid pro quo. No bribery. No high crimes, which per our constitution are necessary to impeach.

whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great... so if you can look into it ...
That isn't a question. It is a request. Apparently, the fact that Trump is sending over Giuliani to help him with the "looking into it" and that it will certainly be beneficial to Trump's campaign if the Ukraine can find Biden's son and Biden guilty of something nefarious, is why the ICIG was concerned. Or maybe there is more we don't know about yet since the whistleblower himself has said NOTHING.

You realize there is absolutely nothing illegal or even ethically wrong with this - right?
You realize that the former Ukraine prosecutor, that we know as a fact was fired immediately after BIDEN pressured the then Ukranian President to do so AND WITHHELD FUNDS till he did - you know this right?
You know which one is illegal and which one isn't right?

Ethically, Trump was angling for dirt on Biden, his election opponent. Once again, encouraging foreign governments' involvement in our election by providing opposition fodder. That is a campaign no-no. It is just another example of Trump's complete disregard for what is REAL respect for the American system.

The allegations you mentioned about Biden have been disproven, I think. If he did something so illegal, why hasn't he been arrested? Pretty convenient that this all comes up now that he's running for President, isn't it?

Trump trying to see if Biden broke the law isn't against the law. Oh, and Biden broke the law.

How do you know Biden broke the law? What evidence do you have?

Did you hear him bragging about it? Funny a guy that heard second hand could end Trump. But Biden admitting it in his own words, means nothing. Lol, your party is history! Keep it up!

 

[Lesh]

Biden bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor removed?

An action supported by virtually the entire international community? The EU...the G7...the International Monetary Fund?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Biden bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor removed?

An action supported by virtually the entire international community? The EU...the G7...the International Monetary Fund?

Desperate nothingburger. Not that that matters to the cultists.

 

[jc456]

why wouldn't our intelligence agency add all of what was said?

Look it up. It's in the news.

I did they gave what they had! If you have another version that’s weird

 

[jc456]

Biden bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor removed?

An action supported by virtually the entire international community? The EU...the G7...the International Monetary Fund?

Desperate nothingburger. Not that that matters to the cultists.

And all it is political

 

[Ame®icano]

Well, this certainly is going to blow up in the Dems' Collective Face.

Key points of the discussion:

- Trump congratulates Zelensk on his victory.
- Zelensky says he was inspired by Trump's example and is gong to clean the swamp in Ukraine.
- Some back and forth about how the U.S. helps Ukraine far more than the EU; and that the EU should do more.
- Trump asks him to look into Ukraine/Crowdstrike, the possible origin of entire Mueller inquiry (the Mueller testimony was the day before).
- Zelensky notes he has replaced his U.S. ambassador, and is going to hire competent, friendly people.
- Zelensky welcomes a visit by Giulinani.
- Trump says he is glad and that he heard that Ukraine had had a very good prosecutor who was shut down by some bad people, and that Biden had something to do with getting him fired - that a lot of people are talking about that and Biden's son (which is true given Biden bragging publicly about it). A lot of people want to know what really happened.
- Zelensky says he wanted to discuss the prosecutor issue with Trump and that his new prosecutor would be looking into the corruption - that it is important to restore honesty to his government.
- Zelensky then asks Trump if he has any additional information about this mattter and the former ambassador Ivanovich, whom he describes as bad and aligned with the former president (gee, sounds familiar).
- Trump says he will discuss with Barr and Giuliani, and that he had heard that the prosecutor was treated unfairly. He wishes Zelensky good luck with everything.

The rest is mostly pleasantries about friends, the economy, etc., with Trump mentioning he would have Barr and Giuliani call Ukraine.

There is no mention of getting dirt on Biden - just an honest effort to want to know how Ukraine was involved in what led to the Mueller Fracas and how the prosecutor was fired.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

There is more behind all this Ukraine deal. They're in hurry to accuse Trump for something they did and they're trying to prevent it from coming out in the open. It doesn't have much to do with Biden, but with Clinton and Obongo.

Crowdstrike.

The very company FBI was forced by Democrats to rely on during the "hacking" of DNC, because DNC refused to give access to their server to FBI, so the FBI was forced to rely on report written by Crowdstrike, what was later outed as phony report. So what's there so important to hide that Democrats mobilized quickly to impeach the president?

Remember, Democrats wanted to investigate everything and everyone around Trump for possible international conspiracy against Clintons, and now they're denying him the same right to find out if there was conspiracy.

We were told Barry's administration had right to wiretap and place spies into Trump campaign, they had "evidence" that president was colluding with Russians. Where they got that evidence? Democrats got it from foreign agent that was getting "third party" information from... wait for it... Russia?

We were also told by Democrats that President can be investigate and impeached for the actions taken before becoming a president. Than former vice president, currently running for president can also be investigated for his actions, can he?

 

[Lesh]

And the "Crowdstrike" thing is Trump ( through Ghouliani among others) attempting to exonerate Russia regarding the 2016 hacking).

And of note Ghouliani had been pressuring Zelensky for months on that and on opening a bogus investigation of Biden.

So the fact that Zelensky mentions Ghouliani AFTER the crowdstrike nonsense ...which was a response to Zelensky saying he wanted to buy more missiles (but prior to Trump mentioning Biden), means nothing. In fact Zelensky knew Ghouliani was going to come up in the call because he had been all over Ukraine for months

Ghouliani had been pressuring Ukraine about BOTH of those things simultaneously.

In fact Trump's entire foreign policy regarding Ukraine for MONTHS has been hinged on these two issues

THAT is what alarmed the whistle blower so greatly and why the ICIG found it "credible and urgent"

 

[basquebromance]

Trump will likely nuke Russia and Ukraine and all other foreign countries, so that America is the only country left.

that kinda solves the problem. doesnt it? what else is he supposed to do?

 

[jc456]

And the "Crowdstrike" thing is Trump ( through Ghouliani among others) attempting to exonerate Russia regarding the 2016 hacking).

And of note Ghouliani had been pressuring Zelensky for months on that and on opening a bogus investigation of Biden.

So the fact that Zelensky mentions Ghouliani AFTER the crowdstrike nonsense ...which was a response to Zelensky saying he wanted to buy more missiles (but prior to Trump mentioning Biden), means nothing. In fact Zelensky knew Ghouliani was going to come up in the call because he had been all over Ukraine for months

Ghouliani had been pressuring Ukraine about BOTH of those things simultaneously.

In fact Trump's entire foreign policy regarding Ukraine for MONTHS has been hinged on these two issues

THAT is what alarmed the whistle blower so greatly and why the ICIG found it "credible and urgent"

No hacking, not fking possible, the internet bandwidth won’t allow that much data to traverse the network! I’ve told you stupid fks this over and over, fk learn something

 

[basquebromance]

1) Carter Page met secretly with Igor Sechin: Is that true? 2) Page met secretly with Igor Divyekin: Is that true? 3) Carter Page is a Russian agent: Is that true? All assertions in (now public) FISA application.

Carter Page's testimony is filled with bombshells — and supports key portions of the Steele dossier

 

[Lesh]

And the "Crowdstrike" thing is Trump ( through Ghouliani among others) attempting to exonerate Russia regarding the 2016 hacking).

And of note Ghouliani had been pressuring Zelensky for months on that and on opening a bogus investigation of Biden.

So the fact that Zelensky mentions Ghouliani AFTER the crowdstrike nonsense ...which was a response to Zelensky saying he wanted to buy more missiles (but prior to Trump mentioning Biden), means nothing. In fact Zelensky knew Ghouliani was going to come up in the call because he had been all over Ukraine for months

Ghouliani had been pressuring Ukraine about BOTH of those things simultaneously.

In fact Trump's entire foreign policy regarding Ukraine for MONTHS has been hinged on these two issues

THAT is what alarmed the whistle blower so greatly and why the ICIG found it "credible and urgent"

No hacking, not fking possible, the internet bandwidth won’t allow that much data to traverse the network! I’ve told you stupid fks this over and over, fk learn something

So you buy the Kremlin line...and not that of our intel services.

Oh...

 

[Ame®icano]

And the "Crowdstrike" thing is Trump ( through Ghouliani among others) attempting to exonerate Russia regarding the 2016 hacking).

And of note Ghouliani had been pressuring Zelensky for months on that and on opening a bogus investigation of Biden.

So the fact that Zelensky mentions Ghouliani AFTER the crowdstrike nonsense ...which was a response to Zelensky saying he wanted to buy more missiles (but prior to Trump mentioning Biden), means nothing. In fact Zelensky knew Ghouliani was going to come up in the call because he had been all over Ukraine for months

Ghouliani had been pressuring Ukraine about BOTH of those things simultaneously.

In fact Trump's entire foreign policy regarding Ukraine for MONTHS has been hinged on these two issues

THAT is what alarmed the whistle blower so greatly and why the ICIG found it "credible and urgent"

Crowdstrike was/is involved in some pretty shady business.

From March 2017...

Cyber Firm Rewrites Part of Disputed Russian Hacking Report

U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.

In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine's war with pro-Russian separatists.

VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.

Oops.

CrowdStrike was first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors last year, but some cybersecurity experts have questioned its evidence. The company has come under fire from some Republicans who say charges of Kremlin meddling in the election are overblown.

Oops again?

Let's continue. July, 2019. Read very carefully.

CrowdStrikeOut: Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims

CrowdStrike's accuracy is far from a given. Days after Comey’s testimony, CrowdStrike was forced to retract its claim that Russian software was used to hack Ukrainian military hardware. CrowdStrike's error is especially relevant because it had accused the GRU of using that same software in hacking the DNC.

There is also reason to question CrowdStrike's impartiality. Its co-founder, Dmitri Alperovitch, is a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, the preeminent Washington think tank that aggressively promotes a hawkish posture towards Russia. CrowdStrike executive Shawn Henry, who led the forensics team that ultimately blamed Russia for the DNC breach, previously served as assistant director at the FBI under Mueller.

Oops. But wait, there is more:

And CrowdStrike was hired to perform the analysis of the DNC servers by Perkins Coie – the law firm that also was responsible for contracting Fusion GPS, the Washington, D.C.-based opposition research firm that produced the now discredited Steele dossier alleging salacious misconduct by Trump in Russia and his susceptibility to blackmail.

Read the whole article, it's pretty interesting how everything in regarding "Russian collusion", Trump Dosier, DNC hacking, Clinton emails coverup and FBI (non)investigation involve the same players: Comey, Clinton, Perkins Cie, Fusion GPS, and... Crowdstrike.

Check this out:

While the extent of the FBI's reliance on CrowdStrike remains unclear, critical details are beginning to emerge via an unlikely source: the legal case of Roger Stone – the Trump adviser Mueller indicted for, among other things, allegedly lying to Congress about his failed efforts to learn about WikiLeaks' plans regarding Clinton’s emails.

Lawyers for Stone discovered that CrowdStrike submitted three forensic reports to the FBI that were redacted and in draft form. When Stone asked to see CrowdStrike's un-redacted versions, prosecutors made the explosive admission that the U.S. government does not have them. "The government … does not possess the information the defendant seeks," prosecutor Jessie Liu wrote. This is because, Liu explained, CrowdStrike itself redacted the reports that it provided to the government.

Whaaaaat?

Government / FBI allowed Crowdstrike and DNC legal council to decide what could and couldn't be seen in report on "Russian hacking", thereby surrendering the ability to independently verify their claim. The took Crowdstrike's word for granted that no redacted information concerning the attribution of the hacking by the Russian actors. Than they took Crowdstrike report and share it with "17 intelligence agencies" so they can verify that hacking was done by the Russians, without verifying it on their own.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What I see those here, in the media etc. engaging in what I would call "biased inference"
They look at the transcript, and honestly believe they see all manner of evil doing...even calling it "reads like a mobster novel".
That is what they see, because they are heavily influenced by their bias.
Yet, these same people will actually try to deny what is overwhelmingly obvious in the Biden video. Actually admitting, on tape, using $1 Billion of taxpayer money as a threat if they don't fire a Ukraine prosecutor. That happens to be interested in the dealings of a Ukrainian business that Biden's son sits on the board of.
You see, Democrats don't see that. Or say something asininely stupid as "there is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden's son"... no fucking shit Sherlock... they fired the prosecutor who was beginning to look into it!! How can you have evidence without anyone looking for it?

But nevertheless..... Orange Man Bad

He got caught. You can't explain this one away. He is going to get impeached. And this is not the only thing he will be impeached for.

Then let's say he is, then if Biden won...he would have to be impeached the day he was elected.

 

[Erinwltr]

"The Pre·sident: ... Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man." WTH? I think DJT took the blue pill.