British single payer begins serious death panels bars overweight persons from surgery

[tinydancer]

Here's one link. Will get others. Should scare the shit out of everyone.

Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death: Cash incentive for NHS trusts that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway

• Some hospitals set target of two thirds of all deaths should be on LCP
• At least £30m in extra money handed to hospitals to achieve these goals
• Critics warn financial incentives could influence the work of doctors

By Steve Doughty for the Daily Mail

Published: 23:21 BST, 25 October 2012 | Updated: 23:21 BST, 25 October 2012


Read more: Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death: Cash incentive for NHS trusts that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway | Daily Mail Online
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You are crazy, and also you are a troll.

Liverpool Care Pathway read it and report back.

I know all about the NHS. And all the failings of it. I myself am a believer in a two tier system like France has. And I'm not crazy. YOU read up on how the NHS was busted big time giving bonuses for basically killing people.

The Liverpool Pathway although an exceptional idea in the beginning became abused thru the government and the government agencies. I'll go toe to toe with you on this. Hell's bells I can dance a tango on the NHS and their failings.

Here's the Telegraph if you didn't like the Daily Mail. Get ready to suck it up. The government paid hospitals to essentially kill patients.

Hospitals 'paid millions to put patients on death pathway'
Hospitals are being paid millions of pounds to reach targets for the number of patients put on a controversial pathway for the withdrawal of life-saving treatment, according to data based on Freedom of Information requests.

Hospitals 'paid millions to put patients on death pathway'

How's the fucking BBC? Is the BBC ok with you?

England selected

• Regions

Liverpool Care Pathway: More than 10,000 patients placed on plan
By Julian Sturdy BBC Look East

• 22 January 2013

Almost half of the acute hospital trusts in the East have been offered incentives by the government to put dying patients on a programme that allows doctors to withdraw treatment.

More than 10,000 patients in the region have been put on the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP) in the last three years, a BBC investigation has found.

The programme was designed to ease the suffering of people at the end of their lives, but the Government has ordered an independent review after complaints that some patients and their relatives were not being told they were on it.

Trusts' incentives over care plan

 

[tinydancer]

Who decides what the bar is to be considered obese? And will that number start lowering when the money becomes more scarce?
The majority of people in this country would not qualify for surgery, if that is the criteria.

Some person somewhere will just arbitrarily decide. Maybe someone in the security apparatus had an issue with you and makes sure the decision goes against you, maybe a few of your emails that raise issues about one abuse or another ensures that a decision is made against you, maybe the decision-maker just decides he doesn't like how you look, speak or that your breath smells bad. You will simply be tossed around without assistance until ultimately you give up the fight or perish. You will not get media coverage or backing from anyone else as they are looking after their interests too like Good Little Germans.

God made us free. There are those who want to play God and control this freedom. Single payer among other socialist and neo-communist policies ensures this.

Hey you are Canadian, you have health care coverage, your opinion does not matter in this, you are not a US citizen.

His opinion counts because first and foremost this is a fucking message board where everyone has a voice. Secondly he is living under the Canadian health care system which is failing as well.

I'm a dual citizen of both countries and along with shredding the NHS I can slay you with stats about the fairy tale of "free" healthcare in Canada. It's not free.

 

[Tax Man]

When the government pays for healthcare, and the money runs short, someone has to decide who does not get care. Thus, the beginning of death panels in Great Britain.
British Single-Payer Begins Serious Death Panels! Bars Overweight Persons from Surgery!



Imagine the sheep that wanted/ want that here, they're working hard bringing in single payer dontcha know.


And leave it to HUFF PO a H. Clinton news source ..............

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It’s Time For A Single-Payer Healthcare System | HuffPost

Just for your information fat people do not do well in surgery or after. if they lose weight they will do far better and live way longer. This approach is what conservatives cannot grasp, common sense.

 

[Penelope]

Who decides what the bar is to be considered obese? And will that number start lowering when the money becomes more scarce?
The majority of people in this country would not qualify for surgery, if that is the criteria.

Some person somewhere will just arbitrarily decide. Maybe someone in the security apparatus had an issue with you and makes sure the decision goes against you, maybe a few of your emails that raise issues about one abuse or another ensures that a decision is made against you, maybe the decision-maker just decides he doesn't like how you look, speak or that your breath smells bad. You will simply be tossed around without assistance until ultimately you give up the fight or perish. You will not get media coverage or backing from anyone else as they are looking after their interests too like Good Little Germans.

God made us free. There are those who want to play God and control this freedom. Single payer among other socialist and neo-communist policies ensures this.

Hey you are Canadian, you have health care coverage, your opinion does not matter in this, you are not a US citizen.

His opinion counts because first and foremost this is a fucking message board where everyone has a voice. Secondly he is living under the Canadian health care system which is failing as well.

I'm a dual citizen of both countries and along with shredding the NHS I can slay you with stats about the fairy tale of "free" healthcare in Canada. It's not free.

neither does yours , since you are a Canadian. I read reports of Canadian healthcare and the maj of people are very happy with it.

 

[tinydancer]

Who decides what the bar is to be considered obese? And will that number start lowering when the money becomes more scarce?
The majority of people in this country would not qualify for surgery, if that is the criteria.

Some person somewhere will just arbitrarily decide. Maybe someone in the security apparatus had an issue with you and makes sure the decision goes against you, maybe a few of your emails that raise issues about one abuse or another ensures that a decision is made against you, maybe the decision-maker just decides he doesn't like how you look, speak or that your breath smells bad. You will simply be tossed around without assistance until ultimately you give up the fight or perish. You will not get media coverage or backing from anyone else as they are looking after their interests too like Good Little Germans.

God made us free. There are those who want to play God and control this freedom. Single payer among other socialist and neo-communist policies ensures this.

Hey you are Canadian, you have health care coverage, your opinion does not matter in this, you are not a US citizen.

His opinion counts because first and foremost this is a fucking message board where everyone has a voice. Secondly he is living under the Canadian health care system which is failing as well.

I'm a dual citizen of both countries and along with shredding the NHS I can slay you with stats about the fairy tale of "free" healthcare in Canada. It's not free.

neither does yours , since you are a Canadian. I read reports of Canadian healthcare and the maj of people are very happy with it.

Fuck you that my opinion doesn't count. BUT the point of my posts in this thread is not based on an opinion but based on the facts of what has transpired in the NHS. Fucking facts. Not opinion.

It's a death panel when the government of Britain PAYS bonuses to hospitals to expedite the death of patients as a cost saving measure. Not an opinion. Fact.

But you can't debate the facts I put out. Not at all can you?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

When the government pays for healthcare, and the money runs short, someone has to decide who does not get care. Thus, the beginning of death panels in Great Britain.
British Single-Payer Begins Serious Death Panels! Bars Overweight Persons from Surgery!



Imagine the sheep that wanted/ want that here, they're working hard bringing in single payer dontcha know.


And leave it to HUFF PO a H. Clinton news source ..............

View attachment 150351

It’s Time For A Single-Payer Healthcare System | HuffPost

Just for your information fat people do not do well in surgery or after. if they lose weight they will do far better and live way longer. This approach is what conservatives cannot grasp, common sense.

Its not complicated is it ?

 

[BulletProof]

The "need" for medical care is infinite. You have to draw the line somewhere. Those fat slobs wouldn't be able to afford treatment in a free society with a free market, so why cry foul when they're refused medical treatment in a socialist system? In America, millions of people suffer for lack of medical care. And, in America, we do frequently kill our grandparents because of cost, even if we deny it.

I do have an idea. Make morbid obesity a crime and lock up offenders until they cease offending. Then give them needed medical treatment.

 

[Penelope]

Here's one link. Will get others. Should scare the shit out of everyone.

Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death: Cash incentive for NHS trusts that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway

• Some hospitals set target of two thirds of all deaths should be on LCP
• At least £30m in extra money handed to hospitals to achieve these goals
• Critics warn financial incentives could influence the work of doctors

By Steve Doughty for the Daily Mail

Published: 23:21 BST, 25 October 2012 | Updated: 23:21 BST, 25 October 2012


Read more: Hospitals bribed to put patients on pathway to death: Cash incentive for NHS trusts that meet targets on Liverpool Care Pathway | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

You are crazy, and also you are a troll.

Liverpool Care Pathway read it and report back.

I know all about the NHS. And all the failings of it. I myself am a believer in a two tier system like France has. And I'm not crazy. YOU read up on how the NHS was busted big time giving bonuses for basically killing people.

The Liverpool Pathway although an exceptional idea in the beginning became abused thru the government and the government agencies. I'll go toe to toe with you on this. Hell's bells I can dance a tango on the NHS and their failings.

Here's the Telegraph if you didn't like the Daily Mail. Get ready to suck it up. The government paid hospitals to essentially kill patients.

Hospitals 'paid millions to put patients on death pathway'
Hospitals are being paid millions of pounds to reach targets for the number of patients put on a controversial pathway for the withdrawal of life-saving treatment, according to data based on Freedom of Information requests.

Hospitals 'paid millions to put patients on death pathway'

How's the fucking BBC? Is the BBC ok with you?

England selected

• Regions

Liverpool Care Pathway: More than 10,000 patients placed on plan
By Julian Sturdy BBC Look East

• 22 January 2013

Almost half of the acute hospital trusts in the East have been offered incentives by the government to put dying patients on a programme that allows doctors to withdraw treatment.

More than 10,000 patients in the region have been put on the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP) in the last three years, a BBC investigation has found.

The programme was designed to ease the suffering of people at the end of their lives, but the Government has ordered an independent review after complaints that some patients and their relatives were not being told they were on it.

Trusts' incentives over care plan

when you decide to put a feeding tube into a patient, taking is out is more difficult. Are you aware we do the same in the US, AKA Hospice and even some nursing homes, family denies continued treatment, and don't you tell me the gov decides there. Most people make their wishes known they do not want to live via machines.

Why It’s OK for Your Loved One to Stop Eating and Drinking on Hospice

 

[Penelope]

The "need" for medical care is infinite. You have to draw the line somewhere. Those fat slobs wouldn't be able to afford treatment in a free society with a free market, so why cry foul when they're refused medical treatment in a socialist system? In America, millions of people suffer for lack of medical care. And, in America, we do frequently kill our grandparents because of cost, even if we deny it.

I do have an idea. Make morbid obesity a crime and lock up offenders until they cease offending. Then give them needed medical treatment.

I do agree that it happens in the US and even will more if they dc the ACA (back to the way it was) and expanded Medicaid. We have a different opinion of obesity, not all obese people are fat slobs. Some are lazy and eat too much I agree, but then again, if they do not have money, cheaper food is fattening. Lack of good medical care is also a cause.

 

[BulletProof]

We have a different opinion of obesity, not all obese people are fat slobs. Some are lazy and eat too much I agree, but then again, if they do not have money, cheaper food is fattening.

Cheaper food is not fattening. Convenience food pigged-out on by lazy slobs is fattening. Nothing in a grocery store is cheaper than the fresh produce and dried grains. Indeed, the healthiest food tends to be the cheapest. But, fat people buy the more expensive processed foods, not to mention eating out frequently, and consuming expensive soda over cheap water and home-brewed tea.

Further, All obesity is caused by eating too much, and it's always cheaper to eat less.

 

[Penelope]

We have a different opinion of obesity, not all obese people are fat slobs. Some are lazy and eat too much I agree, but then again, if they do not have money, cheaper food is fattening.

Cheaper food is not fattening. Convenience food pigged-out on by lazy slobs is fattening. Nothing in a grocery store is cheaper than the fresh produce and dried grains. Indeed, the healthiest food tends to be the cheapest. But, fat people buy the more expensive processed foods, not to mention eating out frequently, and consuming expensive soda over cheap water and home-brewed tea.

Further, All obesity is caused by eating too much, and it's always cheaper to eat less.

No not all obesity is caused by eating too much. Really what is cheaper in healthy foods. Eating less is certainly cheaper.

 

[BulletProof]

No not all obesity is caused by eating too much. Really what is cheaper in healthy foods. Eating less is certainly cheaper.

All obesity is caused by eating too much. It's a matter of physics. And, I already, at length, just said what healthy food is cheaper.

 

[Penelope]

No not all obesity is caused by eating too much. Really what is cheaper in healthy foods. Eating less is certainly cheaper.

All obesity is caused by eating too much. It's a matter of physics. And, I already, at length, just said what healthy food is cheaper.

Some people have a low metabolism and have hypothyroidism. Some have COPD, or asthma and exertion causes exacerbation. Some have injuries that impede their movement. Fat cells never go away, they easily fill back up. Fat babies and kids make fat adults, babies are weighing more from the mom eating too much HFCS.
You will find most fat people have less education and less money and no health ins. Some just eat too much and maybe are depressed. You just can't lump people like that by saying all fat people are lazy slobs.

 

[BulletProof]

Some people have a low metabolism and have hypothyroidism.

The main cause of low metabolism is laziness. But, regardless of the cause, a low metabolism just means that the person should eat less. Hypothyroidism, at most, only makes a tiny contribution to weight gain, and still the person should eat less. Whatever factors contributes to obesity, the cure is still the same, eat less.

Sure, it sucks for someone already fat, that losing weight seems hard. But, it's hard because they won't clean up their diet. Yes, there are skinny people who eat whatever junk they want and stay thin, but that doesn't mean that that fat people aren't at fault for being fat.

You will find most fat people have less education and less money and no health ins. Some just eat too much and maybe are depressed. You just can't lump people like that by saying all fat people are lazy slobs.

Every fat person knows that they're eating too much, unless they've been brainwashed by people like yourself who insist their obesity is out of their hands. Every fat person, who isn't mentally retarded, knows they're eating junk food.

All fat people make the decision that the pleasure from eating junk is worth more than the benefit of being thin. They want to be thing, but they even more want to be pigs.

 

[EverCurious]

I'd like to see your medical training there BulletProof, you sound like you're full of shit.

I've never once thought of my mother as lazy but she's been struggling with her weight her entire life. I hated it when she was younger because she was always taking diet pills and shit (in the 80s/90s that was the in thing) and I worried about what that was doing because it wasn't medicine and was unregulated so who knows what it had in it. Anyway, she walks 2 miles daily plus regularly plays golf and is constantly doing projects (stained glass lately, but it was gardening until she moved to AZ maybe four years ago [HOA says only 20% can be greenery for water conservation purposes.] They have a certified chef who cooks special diet meals for them weekly; though she does admit that when they have visitors they eat unhealthy fatty type stuff - steaks and pot roasts and stuff. Father loves cooking "Texas style" for guests, but he's more like me and doesn't gain weight. He's got diabetes same as my mother, despite being military most of his life (aka had to pass PT and all, now he's a volunteer police officer and just has a quasi-PT)

Not everyone is so lucky as to have a high, or even a normal, metabolism. That doesn't mean they are eating shitty nor that they are lazy.

 

[BulletProof]

I've never once thought of my mother as lazy but she's been struggling with her weight her entire life. I hated it when she was younger because she was always taking diet pills and shit (in the 80s/90s that was the in thing) and I worried about what that was doing because it wasn't medicine and was unregulated so who knows what it had in it. Anyway, she walks 2 miles daily plus regularly plays golf

Does your mom have a magical body that makes energy out of nothing, or does she eat too much?

Walking two miles burns roughly a mere 200 calories. Drink just one can of soda, and you've mostly undone your walk. If those diet pills contained stimulants, they might have caused some addiction that was satisfied by consuming caffeinated colas. FYI, diet colas paradoxically appear to also contribute to weight gain (probably because the artificial sweetener stimulates the appetite).

Lots of fat people are always dieting, but never getting thin. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with their body. It means there's something wrong with how they're trying to lose weight (i.e. they're still eating junk).

I have no doubt that your mom was eating a lot of unhealthy food. I have no doubt that her walks and diet pills helped her delude herself into believing that being fat was out of her control.

I don't recommend exercise (burns few calories and causes hunger) or diet pills (effective pills are banned from OTC) for losing weight. Just eat right (to prevent cravings) and keep busy (so you don't have idol hands to stuff your face).

 

[EverCurious]

I've never once thought of my mother as lazy but she's been struggling with her weight her entire life. I hated it when she was younger because she was always taking diet pills and shit (in the 80s/90s that was the in thing) and I worried about what that was doing because it wasn't medicine and was unregulated so who knows what it had in it. Anyway, she walks 2 miles daily plus regularly plays golf

Does your mom have a magical body that makes energy out of nothing, or does she eat too much?

Walking two miles burns roughly a mere 200 calories. Drink just one can of soda, and you've mostly undone your walk. If those diet pills contained stimulants, they might have caused some addiction that was satisfied by consuming caffeinated colas. FYI, diet colas paradoxically appear to also contribute to weight gain (probably because the artificial sweetener stimulates the appetite).

Lots of fat people are always dieting, but never getting thin. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with their body. It means there's something wrong with how they're trying to lose weight (i.e. they're still eating junk).

I have no doubt that your mom was eating a lot of unhealthy food. I have no doubt that her walks and diet pills helped her delude herself into believing that being fat was out of her control.

I don't recommend exercise (burns few calories and causes hunger) or diet pills (effective pills are banned from OTC) for losing weight. Just eat right (to prevent cravings) and keep busy (so you don't have idol hands to stuff your face).

Again, I'd like to see your medical training records son.

My parents are on a doctor approved diet via their chef, Mother still struggles with weight. I've never seen her sit still for more than an hour (putting all her pictures on the computer and/or printing them out - that's a lifetime thing, not new.) Doctor says she's got piss poor metabolism and her weight is a genetic side effect. (She's Norwegian.)

Related and interesting:

Link for full size readable image: https://brandongaille.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Average-BMI-By-Country.jpg

( According to their chart my BMI is 18 I'm a lanky little shit who eats whole cakes for breakfast -- hate me heh)

 

[sealybobo]

When the government pays for healthcare, and the money runs short, someone has to decide who does not get care. Thus, the beginning of death panels in Great Britain.
British Single-Payer Begins Serious Death Panels! Bars Overweight Persons from Surgery!



Imagine the sheep that wanted/ want that here, they're working hard bringing in single payer dontcha know.


And leave it to HUFF PO a H. Clinton news source ..............

View attachment 150351

It’s Time For A Single-Payer Healthcare System | HuffPost

We have death panels. Get sick without insurance and you're on it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There's too much information out there for the Single Payer advocates to get what they want. Americans won't like what they see.

But politicians will style it as something that 'they had to do' because everything else they tried was so botched up.

 

[BulletProof]

We have death panels. Get sick without insurance and you're on it.

Hospitals treat everyone. The difference between the insuranced and uninsured is bankruptcy, not death.