Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America, we must do it

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America”

Actually not, there are many other issues far more critical and important.

It may be ‘critical’ for hateful bigots, but not for the rest of America.

And with regard to the issue of immigration, Trump’s ‘wall’ of bigotry and hate is in no manner a ‘solution’ – in fact, it serves to only make matters worse.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

“Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America”

Actually not, there are many other issues far more critical and important.

It may be ‘critical’ for hateful bigots, but not for the rest of America.

And with regard to the issue of immigration, Trump’s ‘wall’ of bigotry and hate is in no manner a ‘solution’ – in fact, it serves to only make matters worse.

That is correct. Trump hates the idea that over 60,000 Americans (mostly young Americans) are dying from overdoses of opioid products every year. He also hates allowing new criminals to enter our country.

What a Fn bigot that Trump is. GO LIBERALISM!!!!!!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

“Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America”

Actually not, there are many other issues far more critical and important.

It may be ‘critical’ for hateful bigots, but not for the rest of America.

And with regard to the issue of immigration, Trump’s ‘wall’ of bigotry and hate is in no manner a ‘solution’ – in fact, it serves to only make matters worse.

That is correct. Trump hates the idea that over 60,000 Americans (mostly young Americans) are dying from overdoses of opioid products every year. He also hates allowing new criminals to enter our country.

What a Fn bigot that Trump is. GO LIBERALISM!!!!!!

Here is a napkin, you dribbled some kool aid down the front of your shirt


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[kaz]

You hate the poor

You don't hate the poor, that's for sure. You want as many poor from the world as you can get over here then you want to keep them poor like you want to keep Americans poor.

You love poor! The more the better! It's the Democrat voting machine

 

[kaz]

I’ll tell you how rich I am. I’ll have a million before I retire

One million before you retire is "rich?" OMG, that's just sad

I didn’t say rich. Richer than what percent of Americans? 90%? Am I in the top 10%? Ok 20% I’ll take it.

And if I have $1 million and my bills are only $1000 a month, that’s rich

Your bills are $1,000 a month? What ghetto do you live in?

Condo dues $150
Heat, electric, cable, internet $300

I’m talking about when I retire but even now my bills aren’t $1000 a month.

F150 $350 mo

Am I missing anything?

$1K a month is well below the poverty line. I thought you were rich? Now you're in poverty?

 

[kaz]

What makes someone a “greedy rich dude”?

They vote republican.

LOL, my answer was just posted, they aren't a Democrat, nailed it. You're a partisan hack. You can be a Democrat and cheat on your taxes, sexually assault women, and all is good! Being a Republican, that's a crime. Oh, but you voted for Trump. Lying sack of shit

No, you minded Slick Willy but don’t mind slimy trump. Why?

Didn't vote for either. You voted twice for a sexual predator, misogynist

That’s how much I hate republicans. They are the dark side

Yes, Republicans want you to work and pay your own bills. They are just demons

 

[edward37]

They vote republican.

LOL, my answer was just posted, they aren't a Democrat, nailed it. You're a partisan hack. You can be a Democrat and cheat on your taxes, sexually assault women, and all is good! Being a Republican, that's a crime. Oh, but you voted for Trump. Lying sack of shit

No, you minded Slick Willy but don’t mind slimy trump. Why?

Didn't vote for either. You voted twice for a sexual predator, misogynist

That’s how much I hate republicans. They are the dark side

Yes, Republicans want you to work and pay your own bills. They are just demons

how come all those republicans in red states are collecting blue state money while only contributing spit?

 

[Toro]

The idea that tens of thousands of illegal immigrants are voting is one of the dumbest things in American political discourse today.

Most illegal immigrants come here because they are motivated to make a better life for themselves. They have no other motive. They do not want publicity. They want to stay in the shadows. They want to provide for their families. Voting illegally in a public election is a great way to expose yourself and threaten your existence in America.

I’m against illegal immigration, and I’ve spent tens of thousands of dollars as a legal immigrant so I could stay. But I’m also against the wall, and think that this issue has become emotionally irrational.

 

[del]

“Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America”

Actually not, there are many other issues far more critical and important.

It may be ‘critical’ for hateful bigots, but not for the rest of America.

And with regard to the issue of immigration, Trump’s ‘wall’ of bigotry and hate is in no manner a ‘solution’ – in fact, it serves to only make matters worse.

That is correct. Trump hates the idea that over 60,000 Americans (mostly young Americans) are dying from overdoses of opioid products every year. He also hates allowing new criminals to enter our country.

What a Fn bigot that Trump is. GO LIBERALISM!!!!!!

trump doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself, and only a complete boob or a trumpling, pardon the repetition, could believe otherwise

 

[kaz]

LOL, my answer was just posted, they aren't a Democrat, nailed it. You're a partisan hack. You can be a Democrat and cheat on your taxes, sexually assault women, and all is good! Being a Republican, that's a crime. Oh, but you voted for Trump. Lying sack of shit

No, you minded Slick Willy but don’t mind slimy trump. Why?

Didn't vote for either. You voted twice for a sexual predator, misogynist

That’s how much I hate republicans. They are the dark side

Yes, Republicans want you to work and pay your own bills. They are just demons

how come all those republicans in red states are collecting blue state money while only contributing spit?

Not interested in a talking point debate. I don't even know what that actually means. Then again, neither do you

 

[danielpalos]

They vote republican.

LOL, my answer was just posted, they aren't a Democrat, nailed it. You're a partisan hack. You can be a Democrat and cheat on your taxes, sexually assault women, and all is good! Being a Republican, that's a crime. Oh, but you voted for Trump. Lying sack of shit

No, you minded Slick Willy but don’t mind slimy trump. Why?

Didn't vote for either. You voted twice for a sexual predator, misogynist

That’s how much I hate republicans. They are the dark side

Yes, Republicans want you to work and pay your own bills. They are just demons

applied capitalism to solve our illegal problem not socialism on a national basis, right wingers!

 

[danielpalos]

LOL, my answer was just posted, they aren't a Democrat, nailed it. You're a partisan hack. You can be a Democrat and cheat on your taxes, sexually assault women, and all is good! Being a Republican, that's a crime. Oh, but you voted for Trump. Lying sack of shit

No, you minded Slick Willy but don’t mind slimy trump. Why?

Didn't vote for either. You voted twice for a sexual predator, misogynist

That’s how much I hate republicans. They are the dark side

Yes, Republicans want you to work and pay your own bills. They are just demons

how come all those republicans in red states are collecting blue state money while only contributing spit?

i hear Southern girls are pretty good at, "lip service".

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

And again, your argument is the military can stop them, but IF and ONLY IF we don't build a wall. That's just stupid

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Strawman. I'm for that and never said I wasn't. We need to do EVERYTHING to stop illegal immigration here. Here's the thing. Proposing one thing is not saying I oppose everything else

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How doesn’t the wall pay for itself over time?
You must be doing different math than we are...would you mind walking us through your arithmetic?

When you spend twenty billion bucks, plus future maintenance which is considerable, on a fantasy wall that ignores the reality of where illicit immigration comes from in the first place and therefore has little effect --- where exactly is your ROI on that?

Remember the mantra: "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions ---- you sell FEELINGS". That's what the wall is. It's already been sold, and you lot bought it. The wall isn't an actual wall, it's a fantasy sold to the gullible And Mexico didn't pay for it -- the rest of us in this country did.

A million Mexicans walk up to a reinforced concrete 30 foot wall dug down into the ground.

They laugh and say wow, that might as well not be there at all!

Then they proceed to ___ and the million illegal aliens enter the United States ...

You fill in the blank

Buy plane tickets. Go around the wall. Enter through a border check point.

Zackly, which is how most of it happens. But cracking down on visa overstays doesn't sell nearly as well as an image of a thousands-of-miles-long "wall" that "Mexico will pay for".

Easy to imagine and sell to the intellectually mouth-agape ---- not so easy to make a reality.

Visa overstays need to start doing jail time

Left Multicultism = Right Greed

The ruling businessmen won't allow their cheap technies to be inhibited.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Didn't vote for him but might consider it in 2020 depending heavily on the economy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Didn't vote for him but might consider it in 2020 depending heavily on the economy.

Of course.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

And again, your argument is the military can stop them, but IF and ONLY IF we don't build a wall. That's just stupid

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Strawman. I'm for that and never said I wasn't. We need to do EVERYTHING to stop illegal immigration here. Here's the thing. Proposing one thing is not saying I oppose everything else

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

Dear kaz and Golfing Gator
I agree that it will take more than just a wall.
Both for security reasons and for unity between people states and parties
to agree and focus on a unifying solution. We need to spell out more of the plans.

kaz I'm glad you see there needs to be SERIOUS support
for any such alternatives to work. The problem with Dems is that they
keep asking for things, but not showing any responsibility for how to build these solutions.
It's as if they are CLUELESS how much work, labor, time and resources are involved,
such as in promising "universal health care" -- when I brought up the realization that
it will take having hospitals in every county or district to meet the full demand because
people are already dying while waiting in line for care as it is, I get blank stares.
They want to ask for the carts without counting how many horses it will take
to pull that many people.

Golfing Gator and I both agree and envision there needs to be military
development along the border. So we can build jobs around that.
Gov Schwarzenegger had proposed to build prisons in Mexico
to accommodate Mexican nationals costing CA billions in resources every year.

So the military can be in charge of guarding prisons that will create
complexes, and cities can be built around that.

kaz just building a wall is like liberals yelling that "agreeing to global warming arguments"
is going to magically save the planet. No, it still takes all the work to stop pollution
and save resources. Whether we give a FLIP about global warming or walls or whatever.

We need more than that.

If you are waiting on "someone else" to lead a movement kaz
then that's also like liberals waiting on party or depending on govt.

What it is going to take is everyone supporting solutions, organizing
with our local party precincts, finding out who is leading or working
either for or against Trump, Democrats, Republicans, and asking
all these people, whether taxpayers or future leaders, to invest
DONATIONS into CREATING JOBS not more campaigns!

Here are model programs we can cite and ask to create JOBS
for leaders, dreamers, workers, veterans, students, etc
organizing sustainable Development along the border:

www.paceuniversal.com
Pace Universal builds schools and daycares to create safe jobs and centers for
women children and workers in regions otherwise exploited for trafficking

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UT at Brownsville already HAS an international student program that CROSSES the BORDER
what a concept

www.campusplan.org
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee signed on to this innovative plan
to transform public housing into sustainable community campuses,
creating onsite programs for student interns to earn their education
while providing assistance and services to families to break the cycle of poverty
and get people off welfare instead of growing more dependent on govt and handouts

the expanded plan to restore the historic district
of Freedmen's Town into a campus for teaching self government
through business management of property and programs was
already posted www.freedmenstown.com

and replicating that plan along the border
might look like this www.earnedamnesty.org

So anyone can take these links and ask more party members and leaders
to start investing "campaign donations" into actually BUILDING
similar solutions within EACH DISTRICT. Then we can do the
same across states, nations, and the border. Build locally, expand globally.

kaz if you agree with any of these ideas, or you have
better ones, then take those to your local party leaders,
ask for a conference between parties and how to use
the Electoral College District system to set up meetings
with parties and start working out common proposals.

Instead of parties competing to raise money to OUTVOTE
each other at the polls, why not invest our resources
DIRECTLY in solutions that would CREATE JOBS FOR
ALL PARTIES, not just one office that several people can't all hold!

I'm for military support of the wall, just not as a replacement for it. The military trying to chase almost 3K illegal aliens around the desert as Gator proposes a night is insane. And he wants that not because he believes it will work, but because he knows it won't. The opposite of why he opposes the wall.

And Trump is already there advocating the wall. Why would I go grass roots for something that is already in the White House? That's why after not voting for Trump I'm advocating him and his ideas.

And contrary to the lies of the left, he isn't just proposing a wall, he's proposing electronic security, more border agents, a focus on Visa overstays. We have to do all of those things to secure our border

Think About the Objections You Are Told to Recite

For every border bandito we kill, thousands will be scared into vamoosing. It is illogical to think of numbers on each side when the power of a lethal solution is magnified far beyond the individual incident.

I don't know what that means

The Lonestar Is a Red Supergiant

"One riot, one Ranger"

 

[sealybobo]

Isn't the liberal definition "anyone with a dollar more than I have"?

Bingo

That’s ridiculous. We want us all to chip in to help the poor. You hate the poor. You don’t want to pony up. You’ve been convinced most of them are lazy slackers milking the system..

So if it makes you feel better telling yourself we hate people who have more than me, I don’t get shit from welfare. I pay in to welfare I don’t get welfare. So his premise is debunked. Unless you think I personally get foodstamps. Do you believe that?

So fuck you guys saying we hate someone who has more than us. You are ignorant greedy bastards

You really need to get your fair share from your brother, spending that kind of money for a private schools puts him up there with other lefty elitists.

You can’t be a total freeloader. Whenever we go up north I never pay for the hotel but I take everyone to dinner.

But this is a great example. He doesn’t make me split everything down the middle. If he was you he’d be a cheapskate

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

In my defense he’s got to lodge his 2 sons and their friends. Want to divide the room into 6 fine. Lol

But he also drives and I never pay for gas

 

[sealybobo]

I make more than that.... in a year. But I never cry about how much taxes I pay. What kind of person with money is complaining about taxes? I’ll tell you who. The ones that have country club memberships, a second home, kids in school, expensive cars, insurance on all the toys they have.

Can you imagine what the insurance is for a Ferrari? I considered a mustang once. They aren’t expensive but the insurance was outrageous

They vote republican.

Why do you have such a hard time understanding why good quality, hard working people whom have paved their own paths would want to keep more of what they work so hard for?
Look, while broke low-life bastards were fucking around ditching school, not trying in school, having babies, dropping out, drinking and smoking weed I was busting my ass playing football, wrestling, taking all honors courses and studying until 2-3am every night....And where were all you noble, giving mother fuckers when I had to pony up tuition for my high dollar degree and work two or three jobs to cover it. Envious, lowlife piece of shits can go fuck themselves...they can pave their own paths...stop riding on the backs of others....pull your own fucking weight.
None of this makes any sense to bottom feeding leeches....I get it.

No I get why you feel this way. Middle class conservative people hate poor slackers. But you’ve been brainwashed to want to remove social programs and safety nets.

College was only $5k a year when I went. That’s because rich people paid higher taxes. Many of them went to affordable colleges too. Now you want to change the rules? Greedy

When was college ever funded by taxpayers?

College is a business. As with any other business, their prices are built on supply and demand. The more supply than demand, the lower the cost.

As years went on, more and more high school graduates started to attend college. This is particularly true with females as they left the stay-at-home mom gig.

So now the demand is more than the supply, and that dictates prices will increase.

I’m pretty sure state colleges used to be federally funded.

They aren’t for profit. That’s university of phoenix

Okay, if they were federally funded, what years were those and when did this so-called funding stop?

I don’t know all the details just the history.

You are just repeating their excuse for why costs have quadrupled and meanwhile they are also cutting professor salaries

 

[sealybobo]

Isn't the liberal definition "anyone with a dollar more than I have"?

Bingo

That’s ridiculous. We want us all to chip in to help the poor. You hate the poor. You don’t want to pony up. You’ve been convinced most of them are lazy slackers milking the system..

So if it makes you feel better telling yourself we hate people who have more than me, I don’t get shit from welfare. I pay in to welfare I don’t get welfare. So his premise is debunked. Unless you think I personally get foodstamps. Do you believe that?

So fuck you guys saying we hate someone who has more than us. You are ignorant greedy bastards

You really need to get your fair share from your brother, spending that kind of money for a private schools puts him up there with other lefty elitists.

You can’t be a total freeloader. Whenever we go up north I never pay for the hotel but I take everyone to dinner.

But this is a great example. He doesn’t make me split everything down the middle. If he was you he’d be a cheapskate

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

And the condos he rents at boyne mountain are not cheap.