Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America, we must do it

[kaz]

And again, your argument is the military can stop them, but IF and ONLY IF we don't build a wall. That's just stupid

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Strawman. I'm for that and never said I wasn't. We need to do EVERYTHING to stop illegal immigration here. Here's the thing. Proposing one thing is not saying I oppose everything else

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

 

[Thinker101]

Bingo

That’s ridiculous. We want us all to chip in to help the poor. You hate the poor. You don’t want to pony up. You’ve been convinced most of them are lazy slackers milking the system..

So if it makes you feel better telling yourself we hate people who have more than me, I don’t get shit from welfare. I pay in to welfare I don’t get welfare. So his premise is debunked. Unless you think I personally get foodstamps. Do you believe that?

So fuck you guys saying we hate someone who has more than us. You are ignorant greedy bastards

You really need to get your fair share from your brother, spending that kind of money for a private schools puts him up there with other lefty elitists.

You can’t be a total freeloader. Whenever we go up north I never pay for the hotel but I take everyone to dinner.

But this is a great example. He doesn’t make me split everything down the middle. If he was you he’d be a cheapskate

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

And the condos he rents at boyne mountain are not cheap.

Your defense is growing weaker by the minute.

 

[sealybobo]

You hate the poor

You don't hate the poor, that's for sure. You want as many poor from the world as you can get over here then you want to keep them poor like you want to keep Americans poor.

You love poor! The more the better! It's the Democrat voting machine

I think I made a good point that you hate the poor we don’t hate the rich and you come back with this hypothesis?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Didn't vote for him but might consider it in 2020 depending heavily on the economy.

Of course.

Down boy. No need to hump my leg.

 

[sealybobo]

That’s ridiculous. We want us all to chip in to help the poor. You hate the poor. You don’t want to pony up. You’ve been convinced most of them are lazy slackers milking the system..

So if it makes you feel better telling yourself we hate people who have more than me, I don’t get shit from welfare. I pay in to welfare I don’t get welfare. So his premise is debunked. Unless you think I personally get foodstamps. Do you believe that?

So fuck you guys saying we hate someone who has more than us. You are ignorant greedy bastards

You really need to get your fair share from your brother, spending that kind of money for a private schools puts him up there with other lefty elitists.

You can’t be a total freeloader. Whenever we go up north I never pay for the hotel but I take everyone to dinner.

But this is a great example. He doesn’t make me split everything down the middle. If he was you he’d be a cheapskate

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

And the condos he rents at boyne mountain are not cheap.

Your defense is growing weaker by the minute.

What defense I agreed with you.

I contribute enough. If don jr wants you to hang out he’s going to pay your air fair and hotel. He’s rich.

Unless he’s greedy

 

[Mr Natural]

How long would it take to build a 2,000 mile wall?

 

[sealybobo]

Didn't vote for him but might consider it in 2020 depending heavily on the economy.

Of course.

Down boy. No need to hump my leg.

The good economy didn’t make you vote gore or hillary

 

[sealybobo]

How long would it take to build a 2,000 mile wall?

Trump told Mexico he was coming to visit. They changed their mind about paying for it and it’ll be done in two weeks

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

You're Pretending You Don't Get My Point

The Wall is a Maginot Line.

 

[kaz]

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

Dear kaz and Golfing Gator
I agree that it will take more than just a wall.
Both for security reasons and for unity between people states and parties
to agree and focus on a unifying solution. We need to spell out more of the plans.

kaz I'm glad you see there needs to be SERIOUS support
for any such alternatives to work. The problem with Dems is that they
keep asking for things, but not showing any responsibility for how to build these solutions.
It's as if they are CLUELESS how much work, labor, time and resources are involved,
such as in promising "universal health care" -- when I brought up the realization that
it will take having hospitals in every county or district to meet the full demand because
people are already dying while waiting in line for care as it is, I get blank stares.
They want to ask for the carts without counting how many horses it will take
to pull that many people.

Golfing Gator and I both agree and envision there needs to be military
development along the border. So we can build jobs around that.
Gov Schwarzenegger had proposed to build prisons in Mexico
to accommodate Mexican nationals costing CA billions in resources every year.

So the military can be in charge of guarding prisons that will create
complexes, and cities can be built around that.

kaz just building a wall is like liberals yelling that "agreeing to global warming arguments"
is going to magically save the planet. No, it still takes all the work to stop pollution
and save resources. Whether we give a FLIP about global warming or walls or whatever.

We need more than that.

If you are waiting on "someone else" to lead a movement kaz
then that's also like liberals waiting on party or depending on govt.

What it is going to take is everyone supporting solutions, organizing
with our local party precincts, finding out who is leading or working
either for or against Trump, Democrats, Republicans, and asking
all these people, whether taxpayers or future leaders, to invest
DONATIONS into CREATING JOBS not more campaigns!

Here are model programs we can cite and ask to create JOBS
for leaders, dreamers, workers, veterans, students, etc
organizing sustainable Development along the border:

www.paceuniversal.com
Pace Universal builds schools and daycares to create safe jobs and centers for
women children and workers in regions otherwise exploited for trafficking

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UT at Brownsville already HAS an international student program that CROSSES the BORDER
what a concept

www.campusplan.org
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee signed on to this innovative plan
to transform public housing into sustainable community campuses,
creating onsite programs for student interns to earn their education
while providing assistance and services to families to break the cycle of poverty
and get people off welfare instead of growing more dependent on govt and handouts

the expanded plan to restore the historic district
of Freedmen's Town into a campus for teaching self government
through business management of property and programs was
already posted www.freedmenstown.com

and replicating that plan along the border
might look like this www.earnedamnesty.org

So anyone can take these links and ask more party members and leaders
to start investing "campaign donations" into actually BUILDING
similar solutions within EACH DISTRICT. Then we can do the
same across states, nations, and the border. Build locally, expand globally.

kaz if you agree with any of these ideas, or you have
better ones, then take those to your local party leaders,
ask for a conference between parties and how to use
the Electoral College District system to set up meetings
with parties and start working out common proposals.

Instead of parties competing to raise money to OUTVOTE
each other at the polls, why not invest our resources
DIRECTLY in solutions that would CREATE JOBS FOR
ALL PARTIES, not just one office that several people can't all hold!

I'm for military support of the wall, just not as a replacement for it. The military trying to chase almost 3K illegal aliens around the desert as Gator proposes a night is insane. And he wants that not because he believes it will work, but because he knows it won't. The opposite of why he opposes the wall.

And Trump is already there advocating the wall. Why would I go grass roots for something that is already in the White House? That's why after not voting for Trump I'm advocating him and his ideas.

And contrary to the lies of the left, he isn't just proposing a wall, he's proposing electronic security, more border agents, a focus on Visa overstays. We have to do all of those things to secure our border

Think About the Objections You Are Told to Recite

For every border bandito we kill, thousands will be scared into vamoosing. It is illogical to think of numbers on each side when the power of a lethal solution is magnified far beyond the individual incident.

I don't know what that means

The Lonestar Is a Red Supergiant

"One riot, one Ranger"

So you're stealing Daniel Palos method of posting inane drivel? He's on my ignore list. If you want to write nonsense, don't bomb me with it or you will join him

 

[kaz]

You hate the poor

You don't hate the poor, that's for sure. You want as many poor from the world as you can get over here then you want to keep them poor like you want to keep Americans poor.

You love poor! The more the better! It's the Democrat voting machine

I think I made a good point that you hate the poor we don’t hate the rich and you come back with this hypothesis?

It's not just a hypothesis. Everything the left post is that the poor are a voter drive for you. Nothing you post indicates you care about helping them stop being poor. All your solutions are to increase dependency and accept their lot in life as poor

 

[kaz]

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

You're Pretending You Don't Get My Point

The Wall is a Maginot Line.

I'm going to give you a time out

 

[Thinker101]

You really need to get your fair share from your brother, spending that kind of money for a private schools puts him up there with other lefty elitists.

You can’t be a total freeloader. Whenever we go up north I never pay for the hotel but I take everyone to dinner.

But this is a great example. He doesn’t make me split everything down the middle. If he was you he’d be a cheapskate

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

And the condos he rents at boyne mountain are not cheap.

Your defense is growing weaker by the minute.

What defense I agreed with you.

I contribute enough. If don jr wants you to hang out he’s going to pay your air fair and hotel. He’s rich.

Unless he’s greedy

Pretty sure neither one of us "hangs out" with any billionaires. Hell, I don't even know any other millionaires. Hanging out with well to do folks, I wouldn't want or expect them to pay for my air fare or hotel.

 

[kaz]

You can’t be a total freeloader. Whenever we go up north I never pay for the hotel but I take everyone to dinner.

But this is a great example. He doesn’t make me split everything down the middle. If he was you he’d be a cheapskate

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

And the condos he rents at boyne mountain are not cheap.

Your defense is growing weaker by the minute.

What defense I agreed with you.

I contribute enough. If don jr wants you to hang out he’s going to pay your air fair and hotel. He’s rich.

Unless he’s greedy

Pretty sure neither one of us "hangs out" with any billionaires. Hell, I don't even know any other millionaires. Hanging out with well to do folks, I wouldn't want or expect them to pay for my air fare or hotel.

Sealy said his goal is to have a million when he retires. Nope, he has nothing to do with billionaires

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

You're Pretending You Don't Get My Point

The Wall is a Maginot Line.

He is not pretending, he is really not a very bright person


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[kaz]

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

You're Pretending You Don't Get My Point

The Wall is a Maginot Line.

He is not pretending, he is really not a very bright person


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I understood what he eventually said after he got past the stupid WMD shit. All he said is the wall won't work. And his example was inane as the Nazis could blow through the Maginot Line or go around it. Neither of which applies to the wall on the southern border

 

[Thinker101]

That would have to be some damn expensive dinner to make up for the hotel....unless the hotel is some real dump.

And the condos he rents at boyne mountain are not cheap.

Your defense is growing weaker by the minute.

What defense I agreed with you.

I contribute enough. If don jr wants you to hang out he’s going to pay your air fair and hotel. He’s rich.

Unless he’s greedy

Pretty sure neither one of us "hangs out" with any billionaires. Hell, I don't even know any other millionaires. Hanging out with well to do folks, I wouldn't want or expect them to pay for my air fare or hotel.

Sealy said his goal is to have a million when he retires. Nope, he has nothing to do with billionaires

Yup, that million should be enough if he retires when he's 75.

 

[Pogo]

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

You're Pretending You Don't Get My Point

The Wall is a Maginot Line.

More like a Mendoza line. You have to have a sub-par IQ to take it seriously.

Ironic thread title is ironic --- arguably the "most critical political issue in America" is not a wall, but the fact that there are those walking aroung gullible and self-deluded enough to believe that building a wall on the border is on the list of the top 358 things to do. That sort of emotionally-triggered self-delusion is a bigly issue.

 

[danielpalos]

Applied Capitalism, right wingers!

The Great Walls of America can simply charge admission and provide a federal id. at the borders!

let's find capital opportunities and make, "lots of money"!

 

[kaz]

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

Spirit of 1845

Not having a wall is equivalent to Mexico having WMDs and using them against us.

Um ... OK?

You're Pretending You Don't Get My Point

The Wall is a Maginot Line.

More like a Mendoza line. You have to have a sub-par IQ to take it seriously.

Ironic thread title is ironic --- arguably the "most critical political issue in America" is not a wall, but the fact that there are those walking aroung gullible and self-deluded enough to believe that building a wall on the border is on the list of the top 358 things to do. That sort of emotionally-triggered self-delusion is a bigly issue.

Gotcha. Dealing with a million illegal aliens taking the jobs away from poor people, flooding our schools, hospitals and taking billions in welfare from America isn't in the "top 358 things to do." It's just not a big deal.

And 23% of federal inmates according to homeland security are illegal aliens. Naw, not in the top 358 things to do. You're a sheep.

Again you obviously don't want a wall because you want the voters for your authoritarian leftist cause