Bundy Caught Lying about "Ancestral Rights"

[Stephanie]

Damn, they didn't care this much about their Dear leader lying to you people in the country and the fact he won, liar of the year

small people

 

[CaféAuLait]

Why am I not surprised....some on the right are defending someone that doesn't pay his taxes.....but how come they come after the poor who don't pay taxes? I think they are a tad confused....well, maybe more than a tad....

The Cattlemen's association has been behind the Dann sisters and Yowell, along with non-native Americans.

Eureka County Sheriff Ken Jones told AP a federal vehicle was blocking the road, and he said it was a public road and had to remain open.

Also, eight protesters were escorted away from the impoundment area, and BLM spokesman Jo Simpson told AP that was for safety reasons.

Julie Fishel of the Western Shoshone Defense Project said today that there are 40-50 supporters helping the Danns today, including cowboys rounding up cattle and horses

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ2N9-n-ka0]Our Land, Our Life - YouTube[/ame]

The Dann Sisters - Western Shoshone Heroes

This fight is not about the rich as many on the left would have many believe.

The Nevada Cattlemen's Association have not sided with Bundy.

"Nevada Cattlemen's Association does not feel it is our place to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter," the group said Wednesday. "NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the federal courts."
Cattlemen's group won't get involved in Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's dispute with government | WashingtonExaminer.com


So since when does somebody decide they are not going to pay their taxes and it's okay?
Don't the right complain about the "poor" who don't make enough money to pay taxes because they don't pay taxes? What's so special about this dude?

Oh, and he is rather wealthy....so maybe that does have something to do with it?

Things escalated from there. Bundy, whose Mormon family has operated a ranch since the 1870s, tells reporters that he doesn’t recognize Federal authority on public land. Various groups and individuals showed up at the scene to support his claim, including some armed militia members.
Now the camouflage freaks are claiming victory because the Feds backed down and bloodshed was avoided, though I have no doubt that at least a few of the trigger happy folks who showed up at the standoff were disappointed that they didn’t get to go to war.
But cut through all the rhetoric on both sides and it comes down to this – sometimes you have to pay your bills. Bundy isn’t some starving rancher just trying to hold it together from season to season. He’s apparently rather wealthy, in fact. Yet he has refused to pay fees that have been upheld in court more than once. So he’s basically ripping off you and me, the rest of the American taxpayers. Sort of like those big faceless corporations we all bitch about with their tax breaks we can’t get.

Sometimes You Have To Pay


As for the Dann sisters....did they lie about ancestral rights?

Bundy did...

Cliven Bundy Lied About His Family?s ?Ancestral Rights? ? And Fox News Let Him - NewsHounds

Um, explain how he lied please? His ranch has never been an issue, ( you cite when his parents bought his ranch) but the land his grandparents owned and his parents used therefore his ancestors. The Dann sisters and Yowell claim the land is not up for BLM to charge fees for since it is their land and or reservation land.

^ that claim is not new, it is something he has been arguing in the courts for sometime.

If the government is willing to screw the Native American's over ( as they have continued to do since the first land grabs, till recent history with Native American) , they won't give one flip about anyone else IMO.

 

[koshergrl]

He didn't lie, the OP is a lie and it has been shown that the progressive posters either don't know what a forefather is, or they're trying to change the definition to suit their accusation.

 

[Mertex]

The Cattlemen's association has been behind the Dann sisters and Yowell, along with non-native Americans.




Our Land, Our Life - YouTube

The Dann Sisters - Western Shoshone Heroes

This fight is not about the rich as many on the left would have many believe.

The Nevada Cattlemen's Association have not sided with Bundy.

"Nevada Cattlemen's Association does not feel it is our place to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter," the group said Wednesday. "NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the federal courts."
Cattlemen's group won't get involved in Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's dispute with government | WashingtonExaminer.com


So since when does somebody decide they are not going to pay their taxes and it's okay?
Don't the right complain about the "poor" who don't make enough money to pay taxes because they don't pay taxes? What's so special about this dude?

Oh, and he is rather wealthy....so maybe that does have something to do with it?

Things escalated from there. Bundy, whose Mormon family has operated a ranch since the 1870s, tells reporters that he doesn’t recognize Federal authority on public land. Various groups and individuals showed up at the scene to support his claim, including some armed militia members.
Now the camouflage freaks are claiming victory because the Feds backed down and bloodshed was avoided, though I have no doubt that at least a few of the trigger happy folks who showed up at the standoff were disappointed that they didn’t get to go to war.
But cut through all the rhetoric on both sides and it comes down to this – sometimes you have to pay your bills. Bundy isn’t some starving rancher just trying to hold it together from season to season. He’s apparently rather wealthy, in fact. Yet he has refused to pay fees that have been upheld in court more than once. So he’s basically ripping off you and me, the rest of the American taxpayers. Sort of like those big faceless corporations we all bitch about with their tax breaks we can’t get.

Sometimes You Have To Pay


As for the Dann sisters....did they lie about ancestral rights?

Bundy did...

Cliven Bundy Lied About His Family?s ?Ancestral Rights? ? And Fox News Let Him - NewsHounds

Um, explain how he lied please? His ranch has never been an issue, ( you cite when his parents bought his ranch) but the land his grandparents owned and his parents used therefore his ancestors. The Dann sisters and Yowell claim the land is not up for BLM to charge fees for since it is their land and or reservation land.

I gave you the link....read the article.

^ that claim is not new, it is something he has been arguing in the courts for sometime.

If the government is willing to screw the Native American's over ( as they have continued to do since the first land grabs, till recent history with Native American) , they won't give one flip about anyone else IMO.

He's not a native American.....

 

[Mertex]

He didn't lie, the OP is a lie and it has been shown that the progressive posters either don't know what a forefather is, or they're trying to change the definition to suit their accusation.

He lied, Hannity lied....Fox News lied....

Cliven Bundy Lied About His Family?s ?Ancestral Rights? ? And Fox News Let Him - NewsHounds

 

[koshergrl]

No, he didn't. Not if the *lie* is based on the fact that his folks lived in some other state, lol.

 

[edthecynic]

He didn't lie, the OP is a lie and it has been shown that the progressive posters either don't know what a forefather is, or they're trying to change the definition to suit their accusation.

Name the "forefather" that was there in 1877. The earliest ancestor anyone can find was BORN 1901, so they weren't working cattle in 1877. Furthermore, the Bundys left Bunkerville and there were none living there in the 1930 and 1940 census' so any ancestral claim to the Bunkerville land was abandoned and forfeited when they left the area.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Democrats.. duck dodge deflect.

They simply have no morals.

I hear you man, it is terrible to dodge and deflect.

Damn, they didn't care this much about their Dear leader lying to you people in the country and the fact he won, liar of the year

Oh... wait.

RKMBrown, please have a word with that Stephanie person.

 

[koshergrl]

He didn't lie, the OP is a lie and it has been shown that the progressive posters either don't know what a forefather is, or they're trying to change the definition to suit their accusation.

Name the "forefather" that was there in 1877. The earliest ancestor anyone can find was BORN 1901, so they weren't working cattle in 1877. Furthermore, the Bundys left Bunkerville and there were none living there in the 1930 and 1940 census' so any ancestral claim to the Bunkerville land was abandoned and forfeited when they left the area.

Yeah..who is *they*?

It doesn't matter. Anyway, the OP is a lie, the fact that his parents didn't always live in Nevada doesn't prove he was lying about his forefathers. Meh.

 

[jasonnfree]

Looks like most of the right wing abandoned Cliven, but he has a couple of loyal followers holding down the fort.

 

[whitehall]

Maybe democrats are right. Maybe you can justify any federal atrocity with enough sleazy investigators to feed the vast low information left and deflect attention from the incident. It's tougher now than it was when the only information available to the the public was liberal and God knows it worked with the Ruby Ridge entrapment and the incineration of 80 men women and children at Waco so it might work with Bundy if the liberal media still cooperates.

 

[tinydancer]

And the land grab theory was bogus as well. The land in question is 20 miles away from Bundy and the deal with the Chinese fell through back in Jun2013

This is from a conservative site.

The Saga of Bundy Ranch--Federal Power, Rule of Law and Averting Potential Bloodshed

Despite the obvious partisan gain to be had if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s son Rory (a failed 2010 Nevada gubernatorial candidate) had somehow been involved in a “land grab” affecting the Bundy family ranch operation—the facts just do not pan out as such. Indeed, Rory Reid did in fact have a hand in plans to reclassify federal lands for renewable energy developments. Just northeast of Las Vegas and Nellis Air Force Base, plans were drawn by Reid allies to potentially develop 5,717 acres of land for such use. While it would be fair to claim that such activity was in Bundy’s relative neighborhood, the federal lands once leased by the family were more than 20 miles away, east of Overton, Nevada. Contrasting maps offered by InfoWars and those entered into federal court record prove such a theory to be a stretch.

The land grab is for real. Just that people were getting it wrong. The land grab is by the BLM you see for their mitigation project.

This is a basic pay to play to pollute situation where a solar energy company is allowed to chew part of the desert and pay very big money so that BLM can play Mother Nature and try to make another area of the desert pristine again for the threatened desert tortoise for example.

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[MisterBeale]

You dont have a right to be in business if you cant afford the operating costs. Where did you get your business degree? Out of a crackerjack box?

So you think its perfectly fair a federal government agency can put people out of business in a state because of a tortoise?

You are worse than a jackbooted thug, because you are too cowardly to put on the jackboot and do it yourself. You let the government do it and cheer on like the pussy you are.

The government has occasionally done stuff that makes my life more difficult...I don't throw a hissy fit and hide behind women and children and LIE about my status.

They never taught you about the stamp act and the Boston Tea party in school, did they?

Guess you are a closest Tory and loyalist, aren't you?

 

[CaféAuLait]

He didn't lie, the OP is a lie and it has been shown that the progressive posters either don't know what a forefather is, or they're trying to change the definition to suit their accusation.

Name the "forefather" that was there in 1877. The earliest ancestor anyone can find was BORN 1901, so they weren't working cattle in 1877. Furthermore, the Bundys left Bunkerville and there were none living there in the 1930 and 1940 census' so any ancestral claim to the Bunkerville land was abandoned and forfeited when they left the area.

He claimed rights to the Virgin River Valley, not just Bunkerville.

 

[koshergrl]

..."No Bundys lived in Bunkerville according to 1930 and 1940 U.S. Census records, but the rancher’s maternal grandparents, John and Christena Jensen, homesteaded a few miles away, in Mesquite, where his mother was born in 1924."

Property records cast doubt on Cliven Bundy?s ancestral claims to disputed federal land | The Raw Story

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes. If the people dont own the land its fair. Stop whining and grow a pair. Its the cost of business.

he does own the land as a member of the public. You keep acting like the BLM owns it. They do not. they run it in trust. Again, should the BLM put him out of business over a tortoise?

The sad thing is, what the BLM has done actually has led to a decline in the tortoise population. They live off of the cow pies. Take those away and they die.

Funny thing, I was thinking about that. I'll bet their numbers having slowly decreased over the centuries due to the elimination of the great buffalo herds. Wouldn't it be ironic that the only thing keeping them holding on IS, after all, the cattle and other animals?

 

[tinydancer]

And here's the proof of the mitigation project. Ta da. Put it up a million times before, but what's one more time to get the truth out about how the government really doesn't give a shit about the environment.

Green energy projects vs environment. Government is running with green energy. Twenty more projects look like they will be approved and the desert will never be the same.


RENEWABLE ENERGY:
Mojave project tests Interior strategy for stemming habitat losses

Phil Taylor, E&E reporter
Greenwire: Tuesday, January 28, 2014


And from the article.

Gold Butte was chosen as a mitigation site for Dry Lake because it harbors similar plant and animal life, including the desert tortoise, and because it is ineligible for special funding available to BLM's National Landscape Conservation System.

In addition, Gold Butte's native creosote-bursage vegetation is expected to persist longer under climate change than other ACECs, and its tortoise habitat is expected to persist even as it shrinks or disappears in the surrounding region.

As acres are developed at Dry Lake, mitigation fees would help pay for restoration of similar acres at Gold Butte.

RENEWABLE ENERGY: Mojave project tests Interior strategy for stemming habitat losses -- Tuesday, January 28, 2014 -- www.eenews.net

 

[bodecea]

Damn, they didn't care this much about their Dear leader lying to you people in the country and the fact he won, liar of the year

small people

Nice try at deflection....

 

[CaféAuLait]

Even from the website calling him a liar, they PROVE his case, therefore, I'm confused:

They say for his Grandparents on his mothers side, Christena Jensen:

Separate records from the website FamilySearch, which is sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, indicate that Christena Jensen was born in Nevada in 1901 and that Bodel Jensen was born in Nevada in 1924. Christena Jensen’s parents originally were from Utah. This is the side of the family where Cliven Bundy claims long-standing livestock water rights.

An abbreviated look at rancher Cliven Bundy's family history - 8 News NOW

Where was Christena Jensen born in Nevada in 1901 , where in Nevada where HER parents ( his GREAT GRANDPARENTS) living? What land did they own in Nevada where his grandmother was born? Obviously, they lived there.

 

[Old Rocks]

He claims the rights as transferred from the original owner for the property. he claims rights to the public land as his family has resided in the AREA since before 1900. His 1877 claim was a statement made to the media. His other claims are in the court documents.

You are intentionally confusing one for the other to make your point, typical of a progressive. whether it is from malice or stupidity is up for the board to decide.

You cant claim something unless you have proof to back it up. He doesnt have a claim at all. Its been public land since 1864. If he owned it or had rights where is his documentation?

He DID have an agreement with the BLM, he grazed on those lands just fine until BLM tried to lower the cattle limits to the point where his herd was un-viable. That he HAD a right to the land isn't in dispute. what is in dispute is how much the BLM can unilaterally change the terms of said agreement.

The BLM recognizes his right to be there, they just modified the # of cattle and the costs. and his point is they cannot do that unilaterally.

No, the BLM recognizes his right to graze if he pays for the grazing rights. And the land has been in drought for a long time, lowering the amount of cattle that can be grazed without damaging the land. As a landlord, the BLM does have the right to raise the price of grazing permits, and to limit the number of cattle on the land.