Burn the Koran on 9-11

[bigrebnc1775]

So, let's see.... the attackers state publically that we are being attacked in the name of Allah in order to eliminate the Infidels...

Nah, no religion involved here. Just a fad.

Yes. The attackers were crazy. The attackers were barbarians.

And they don't represent mainstream Islam.

The links that were given to me in defense of the moderate mulsims doesn't help their cause.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

All of Islam? All, what, one billion followers in unity?

Because I provided links to various condemnations by Muslims for the acts of 9/11 and terrorism.

Have some honesty for dinner tonight, NO ONE is saying that all Muslims were responsible for 9/11. That doesn't change the fact that a mosque is a symbol of the religeon which was used to justify 9/11 and as such is insensitive to those who died on that horrible day.

Conhog, Soggy is. I can understand why the mosque is insensitive to people, but we're not arguing over the mosque at this point. We're arguing over Soggy's gross generalizations over all Muslims.

Let's say a black church member was killed by a few KKK members and some other KKK members bought the property 1/2 mile from the church and build a giant KKK center. Would that be insensitive? I mean those KKK members aren't the ones who killed the black church member, and in fact most KKK members have never and will never assaulted anyone.

The Klan is a hate group. A better analogy would be if a Protestant Church opened up a community center, but the Protestant church was the same (but unaffiliated with) as the Klanners. I'm not entirely sure if the Cordoba House is the same branch of Islam as the terrorists were, no one ever really seems to specify it. So, my fixing on the analogy still leaves it a bit off.

Show me Islam is a religion of peace. All they have shown is hatred, bigotry, intolerance and misery. And quoting 10 "moderates" out of 1 billion Muslims ain't cutting it. I'd say that is about .000000001 percent.

 

[Toro]

Blacks weren't a people of peace 50 years either, I guess.

Wait. Logical response? Papers please!

I'll explain it just for ConHog.

The majority of whites in the South didn't want blacks to be fully integrated into society. Therefore, blacks weren't peaceful people because they didn't do what the majority of people wanted.

Clearly, black people hated white people, the South, Christianity and America.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So, calling somebody a redneck is your way of professing your tolerance?

See it as an attack? Islam stated it was an attack on the west by Islam.

Islam is not at war with Christianity anymore than Christianity is at war with Islam.

Radical Islam is at war with everyone who doesn't agree with them. They are barbarians. But they do not represent mainstream Islam any more than Fred Phelps or Pastor Hagee represent mainstream Christians.

In addition to that, we are talking about American Muslims and not AlQaida. American Muslims were not involved in the attack, American Muslims are peaceful and have lower crime rates than Christians, American Muslims have a right to worship where they please.

American muslims?
FORT HOOD

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And the moderates always end there condemnation of the atacks with a "but"....... "It was an act of barbaraism, but......"

Nah, ain't buying it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Blacks weren't a people of peace 50 years either, I guess.

Wait. Logical response? Papers please!

I'll explain it just for ConHog.

The majority of whites in the South didn't want blacks to be fully integrated into society. Therefore, blacks weren't peaceful people because they didn't do what the majority of people wanted.

Clearly, black people hated white people, the South, Christianity and America.

White Democrats
Oh and I guess you have never been to a black southern church? Figures you would think thiss way.

 

[ConHog]

I don't believe they are people of peace. People of peace CHOOSE not to do something that offends the vast majority of people with whom they claim to want peace..

Blacks weren't a people of peace 50 years either, I guess.

How is that relevant?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Islam is not at war with Christianity anymore than Christianity is at war with Islam.

Radical Islam is at war with everyone who doesn't agree with them. They are barbarians. But they do not represent mainstream Islam any more than Fred Phelps or Pastor Hagee represent mainstream Christians.

In addition to that, we are talking about American Muslims and not AlQaida. American Muslims were not involved in the attack, American Muslims are peaceful and have lower crime rates than Christians, American Muslims have a right to worship where they please.

American muslims?
FORT HOOD

And how long did it take the press to even admit the guy was Muslim?

 

[Toro]

And the moderates always end there condemnation of the atacks with a "but"....... "It was an act of barbaraism, but......"

Nah, ain't buying it.

Edited. I was out of line.

I'm still waiting for you to back up your statement that the Caliphate is being established.

 

[Toro]

I don't believe they are people of peace. People of peace CHOOSE not to do something that offends the vast majority of people with whom they claim to want peace..

Blacks weren't a people of peace 50 years either, I guess.

How is that relevant?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/128840-burn-the-koran-on-9-11-a-13.html#post2617524

 

[Woyzeck]

Have some honesty for dinner tonight, NO ONE is saying that all Muslims were responsible for 9/11. That doesn't change the fact that a mosque is a symbol of the religeon which was used to justify 9/11 and as such is insensitive to those who died on that horrible day.

Conhog, Soggy is. I can understand why the mosque is insensitive to people, but we're not arguing over the mosque at this point. We're arguing over Soggy's gross generalizations over all Muslims.

Let's say a black church member was killed by a few KKK members and some other KKK members bought the property 1/2 mile from the church and build a giant KKK center. Would that be insensitive? I mean those KKK members aren't the ones who killed the black church member, and in fact most KKK members have never and will never assaulted anyone.

The Klan is a hate group. A better analogy would be if a Protestant Church opened up a community center, but the Protestant church was the same (but unaffiliated with) as the Klanners. I'm not entirely sure if the Cordoba House is the same branch of Islam as the terrorists were, no one ever really seems to specify it. So, my fixing on the analogy still leaves it a bit off.

Show me Islam is a religion of peace. All they have shown is hatred, bigotry, intolerance and misery. And quoting 10 "moderates" out of 1 billion Muslims ain't cutting it. I'd say that is about .000000001 percent.

I just gave you quite a few links of Muslims condemning terrorism. To ask me to exonerate the rest of the billion is beyond a straw man argument. Why don't you exonerate and prove that the rest of Christianity doesn't do what the Westboro Baptist Church does, or what the Klan does.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And the moderates always end there condemnation of the atacks with a "but"....... "It was an act of barbaraism, but......"

Nah, ain't buying it.

Edited

Your term, not mine. Keep it civil please.

 

[ConHog]

RW, I'm still waiting for a reasonable explanation for your hypocrisy. I contend it's becasue you hate Christianity but are too big of a pussy to actually admit it.

Pussy

Asked and answered in post 150.....

Pussy? Getting a bit personal in your attacks aren't you? I guess you have been hanging out with NOLA for too long. His hatred is starting to rub off in your posts

What?

How does this?

It does reflect well on New York City that after what they went through they are not joining the "All Muslims are evil" group and are accepting a cultural center near ground zero. Police and Firefighters did not ask the religion of those they were trying to save.

Mayor Bloomberg made one of the most inspirational speeches of tolerance and the rights of religion in this country i have ever heard

I'm not going to just let you walk away from your hypocrisy RW, why are you not against the mosque?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Poetic isn't it?

answer the question of why you call Christians who want to burn Qurons insensitive idiots while at the same time not calling Muslims who want to build a Mosque that offends most Americans insensitive. That is hypocritical, and your response did not address it.

Fool

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How many of the MODERATE muslims speak out against the extremeist Muslims. can you give a number?

Nope, but these people do exist, even if you're not hearing them.

Your first link
9 Prominent American Muslim Scholars Speaking Against Violence in the Name of Islam
9is a hugh number

Second link came from fox I wonder why you didn't use CNN or ABC? COULD IT BE POSSIBLY THAT YOU WOULDN'T FIND SUCH INFORMATION THERE?
From you 3rd link
A handful of people versus how may muslim?
From your 4th link not sure about it but I read this part.
Study of Islam Section

Nelly Van Doorn-Harder, Department of Theology, Valparaiso University, Valparaiso, IN 46383-7493, USA; [email protected]. Omid Safi, Department of Philosophy & Religion, Colgate University, 13 Oak DR, Hamilton, NY 13346, USA; [email protected].
The Study of Islam Section encourages paper proposals in all areas of Islamic studies, but successful proposals will reflect theoretical and methodological sophistication and self-awareness, as well as innovative examination of Islamic societies and texts. As in all years, we welcome submissions dealing with the Qur'an, Islamic law, Sufism, gender and sexuality constructions, engagement with modernity, and other areas of general interest.

When submitting your proposals online to the OP3 system, prearranged paper sessions (with separate abstracts for each individual paper) are generally preferable to prearranged panels. All prearranged sessions should take gender and seniority diversity into account when organizing presenters; respondents are essential. Innovative, interactive formats and multimedia presentations are welcome. Although we look forward to prearranged paper sessions in the areas outlined below, individual scholars are also encouraged to submit their proposals. This year we are especially interested in papers or panels on the following: moving beyond the "Clash of Civilizations" theory; comparisons between Judaism and Islam, especially law; the pedagogy of teaching the Qur'an (this can include topics from the classical tradition, educational approaches, teaching of the Qur'an in a specific geographical area, or trends of learning); African-American Islam; the prophet Muhammad (historical approaches, textual sources, poetry, Sufi expressions, modern developments); the creation of Muslim identity through learning processes; religions in South Asia.

Note: the distinction between "paper" sessions and panel sessions:

In general, organizers should use the paper session option; this allows you to enter separate proposals and abstracts for every individual paper, and also has a separate space to introduce the panel as a whole. Because our review process is blind, however, we especially ask that organizers pay attention to issues of diversity (ethnic, gender, age, discipline, etc.).

The "panel" option should be used much more sparingly. Examples of two successful panels in the past were our "Teaching Islam after 9/11" panel in 2002 year and the panel on W.C. Smith. In the pre-organized panel, there is only a single proposal for the whole panel, and no space for individual paper proposals or abstracts.


Your 5th link directed me to your 4th link

Your 6th link some of the same people used were also used on 2nd link
Your 7th link

5. We reject any attempt to link Islam and Muslims to terrorism as terrorism has no association with any religion, civilization or nationality;

11. We reject any attempt to associate Islamic states or Palestinian and Lebanese resistance with terrorism, which constitutes an impediment to the global struggle against terrorism;



So they reject the teachings of the Quran?

They condem Israel for defending themself?
12. We condemn Israel for its escalating military campaign against the Palestinian people, including the daily brutalization and humiliation of its civilians, resulting in mounting casualties, strangulation of the Palestinian economy, systematic and indiscriminate destruction of houses and residential facilities as well as infrastructure, institutions and structures of the Palestinian National Authority;

After number 12 there was no need to read any further I see where they stand.

Do you have anything further to add?

Hey Woyzeck you posted those links and post on this thread like you posted something real good. Time to defend what you posted.

 

[Woyzeck]

Nope, but these people do exist, even if you're not hearing them.

Your first link
9 Prominent American Muslim Scholars Speaking Against Violence in the Name of Islam
9is a hugh number

Second link came from fox I wonder why you didn't use CNN or ABC? COULD IT BE POSSIBLY THAT YOU WOULDN'T FIND SUCH INFORMATION THERE?
From you 3rd link
A handful of people versus how may muslim?
From your 4th link not sure about it but I read this part.
Study of Islam Section

Nelly Van Doorn-Harder, Department of Theology, Valparaiso University, Valparaiso, IN 46383-7493, USA; [email protected]. Omid Safi, Department of Philosophy & Religion, Colgate University, 13 Oak DR, Hamilton, NY 13346, USA; [email protected].
The Study of Islam Section encourages paper proposals in all areas of Islamic studies, but successful proposals will reflect theoretical and methodological sophistication and self-awareness, as well as innovative examination of Islamic societies and texts. As in all years, we welcome submissions dealing with the Qur'an, Islamic law, Sufism, gender and sexuality constructions, engagement with modernity, and other areas of general interest.

When submitting your proposals online to the OP3 system, prearranged paper sessions (with separate abstracts for each individual paper) are generally preferable to prearranged panels. All prearranged sessions should take gender and seniority diversity into account when organizing presenters; respondents are essential. Innovative, interactive formats and multimedia presentations are welcome. Although we look forward to prearranged paper sessions in the areas outlined below, individual scholars are also encouraged to submit their proposals. This year we are especially interested in papers or panels on the following: moving beyond the "Clash of Civilizations" theory; comparisons between Judaism and Islam, especially law; the pedagogy of teaching the Qur'an (this can include topics from the classical tradition, educational approaches, teaching of the Qur'an in a specific geographical area, or trends of learning); African-American Islam; the prophet Muhammad (historical approaches, textual sources, poetry, Sufi expressions, modern developments); the creation of Muslim identity through learning processes; religions in South Asia.

Note: the distinction between "paper" sessions and panel sessions:

In general, organizers should use the paper session option; this allows you to enter separate proposals and abstracts for every individual paper, and also has a separate space to introduce the panel as a whole. Because our review process is blind, however, we especially ask that organizers pay attention to issues of diversity (ethnic, gender, age, discipline, etc.).

The "panel" option should be used much more sparingly. Examples of two successful panels in the past were our "Teaching Islam after 9/11" panel in 2002 year and the panel on W.C. Smith. In the pre-organized panel, there is only a single proposal for the whole panel, and no space for individual paper proposals or abstracts.


Your 5th link directed me to your 4th link

Your 6th link some of the same people used were also used on 2nd link
Your 7th link

5. We reject any attempt to link Islam and Muslims to terrorism as terrorism has no association with any religion, civilization or nationality;

11. We reject any attempt to associate Islamic states or Palestinian and Lebanese resistance with terrorism, which constitutes an impediment to the global struggle against terrorism;



So they reject the teachings of the Quran?

They condem Israel for defending themself?
12. We condemn Israel for its escalating military campaign against the Palestinian people, including the daily brutalization and humiliation of its civilians, resulting in mounting casualties, strangulation of the Palestinian economy, systematic and indiscriminate destruction of houses and residential facilities as well as infrastructure, institutions and structures of the Palestinian National Authority;

After number 12 there was no need to read any further I see where they stand.

Do you have anything further to add?

Hey Woyzeck you posted those links and post on this thread like you posted something real good. Time to defend what you posted.

I did. It might've got lost in the shuffle, this thread's gotten popular this afternoon.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Conhog, Soggy is. I can understand why the mosque is insensitive to people, but we're not arguing over the mosque at this point. We're arguing over Soggy's gross generalizations over all Muslims.



The Klan is a hate group. A better analogy would be if a Protestant Church opened up a community center, but the Protestant church was the same (but unaffiliated with) as the Klanners. I'm not entirely sure if the Cordoba House is the same branch of Islam as the terrorists were, no one ever really seems to specify it. So, my fixing on the analogy still leaves it a bit off.

Show me Islam is a religion of peace. All they have shown is hatred, bigotry, intolerance and misery. And quoting 10 "moderates" out of 1 billion Muslims ain't cutting it. I'd say that is about .000000001 percent.

I just gave you quite a few links of Muslims condemning terrorism. To ask me to exonerate the rest of the billion is beyond a straw man argument. Why don't you exonerate and prove that the rest of Christianity doesn't do what the Westboro Baptist Church does, or what the Klan does.

WTF? What does the Church do.... talk? The Klan????

Watch the news and tell me again who is blowing shit up everywhere... stoning homosexuals, chopping heads off... Christians?

Try again.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your first link
9 Prominent American Muslim Scholars Speaking Against Violence in the Name of Islam
9is a hugh number

Second link came from fox I wonder why you didn't use CNN or ABC? COULD IT BE POSSIBLY THAT YOU WOULDN'T FIND SUCH INFORMATION THERE?
From you 3rd link
A handful of people versus how may muslim?
From your 4th link not sure about it but I read this part.
Study of Islam Section

Nelly Van Doorn-Harder, Department of Theology, Valparaiso University, Valparaiso, IN 46383-7493, USA; [email protected]. Omid Safi, Department of Philosophy & Religion, Colgate University, 13 Oak DR, Hamilton, NY 13346, USA; [email protected].
The Study of Islam Section encourages paper proposals in all areas of Islamic studies, but successful proposals will reflect theoretical and methodological sophistication and self-awareness, as well as innovative examination of Islamic societies and texts. As in all years, we welcome submissions dealing with the Qur'an, Islamic law, Sufism, gender and sexuality constructions, engagement with modernity, and other areas of general interest.

When submitting your proposals online to the OP3 system, prearranged paper sessions (with separate abstracts for each individual paper) are generally preferable to prearranged panels. All prearranged sessions should take gender and seniority diversity into account when organizing presenters; respondents are essential. Innovative, interactive formats and multimedia presentations are welcome. Although we look forward to prearranged paper sessions in the areas outlined below, individual scholars are also encouraged to submit their proposals. This year we are especially interested in papers or panels on the following: moving beyond the "Clash of Civilizations" theory; comparisons between Judaism and Islam, especially law; the pedagogy of teaching the Qur'an (this can include topics from the classical tradition, educational approaches, teaching of the Qur'an in a specific geographical area, or trends of learning); African-American Islam; the prophet Muhammad (historical approaches, textual sources, poetry, Sufi expressions, modern developments); the creation of Muslim identity through learning processes; religions in South Asia.

Note: the distinction between "paper" sessions and panel sessions:

In general, organizers should use the paper session option; this allows you to enter separate proposals and abstracts for every individual paper, and also has a separate space to introduce the panel as a whole. Because our review process is blind, however, we especially ask that organizers pay attention to issues of diversity (ethnic, gender, age, discipline, etc.).

The "panel" option should be used much more sparingly. Examples of two successful panels in the past were our "Teaching Islam after 9/11" panel in 2002 year and the panel on W.C. Smith. In the pre-organized panel, there is only a single proposal for the whole panel, and no space for individual paper proposals or abstracts.


Your 5th link directed me to your 4th link

Your 6th link some of the same people used were also used on 2nd link
Your 7th link

5. We reject any attempt to link Islam and Muslims to terrorism as terrorism has no association with any religion, civilization or nationality;

11. We reject any attempt to associate Islamic states or Palestinian and Lebanese resistance with terrorism, which constitutes an impediment to the global struggle against terrorism;



So they reject the teachings of the Quran?

They condem Israel for defending themself?
12. We condemn Israel for its escalating military campaign against the Palestinian people, including the daily brutalization and humiliation of its civilians, resulting in mounting casualties, strangulation of the Palestinian economy, systematic and indiscriminate destruction of houses and residential facilities as well as infrastructure, institutions and structures of the Palestinian National Authority;

After number 12 there was no need to read any further I see where they stand.

Do you have anything further to add?

Hey Woyzeck you posted those links and post on this thread like you posted something real good. Time to defend what you posted.

I did. It might've got lost in the shuffle, this thread's gotten popular this afternoon.

Link number 7 lets start there.
http://www.oic-oci.org/english/conf/fm/11_extraordinary/declaration.htm

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

When Islam wants to join the human race... we'll talk. Frankly, if their shenanigans stayed at just badmouthing the gays, Jews, Christians, etc..... I wouldn't give a shit about them.

 

[Toro]

And the moderates always end there condemnation of the atacks with a "but"....... "It was an act of barbaraism, but......"

Nah, ain't buying it.

Edited

Your term, not mine. Keep it civil please.

Yup, and I edited it and I apologize for it.

But I don't think you know what you are talking about. You made the claim that the Caliphate is being established. Show us an example.

 

[rightwinger]

Blacks weren't a people of peace 50 years either, I guess.

How is that relevant?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/128840-burn-the-koran-on-9-11-a-13.html#post2617524

Cross burnings didn't hurt anyone either