California laws preventing S&W and Ruger from selling guns.

[novasteve]

But liberals are free to infect themselves with HIV

 

[hjmick]

First, California is not preventing anyone from selling guns in the sate. Smith & Wesson and Sturm & Ruger are opting not to comply with the new law regarding microstamping and the result is that they will not be offering their semi-automatics for sale in California.

On the other hand the law is requiring something to be done that requires unreliable technology. How can someone be expected to comply with a law that cannot be reasonably complied with because the technology is not readily available? How can that be anything other than a de facto prohibition?

There has been no mention of their revolvers, so they may still be selling those in the California market.

I don't know exactly how CA law works, but I would not be surprised if revolvers end up being judicially interpreted to be part of the requirements of the law. After all, a double action revolver is essentially a semi-automatic revolver.

I don't disagree. It's just that, technically, the two companies are choosing not to comply. A decision I personally applaud and respect.

Their efforts to ban that which is Constitutionally protected should be fun to watch...

 

[The T]

First, California is not preventing anyone from selling guns in the sate. Smith & Wesson and Sturm & Ruger are opting not to comply with the new law regarding microstamping and the result is that they will not be offering their semi-automatics for sale in California. There has been no mention of their revolvers, so they may still be selling those in the California market.

I can't say that I blame them. Microstamping is expensive, flawed, unproven and likely to fail over time. How many times will the gun be fired before the microstamp is illegible?

One thing I have learned after living in California for more than thirty years is this, as forward thinking as they think they are, as much as they think they are better than the rest of the country, they constantly pass laws that can only be considered embarrassing by the rest of the country...


It should be interest to see what Colt and Glock and the others do...

...and the micro-stamping will not identify the person that fired a stolen pistol. All it would do is identify the pistol.

This is just another stupid attempt by lawmakers to get people to think that they are earning their pay. You may logically rest assured that most of those lawmakers that propose to take away guns...have their own guns handy and will be exempt from compliance.

Or have armed bodyguard protection, live in gated communities...etc. Gotta control those dumbmasses !

 

[Wry Catcher]

Make a bar code out of the rifling in the barrels. There are infinite variations that can be used in the width and spacing of the grooves.

Simple idea? Yes.

Simple to implement? No...and it would only present an improvement of the current method of identifying which rifled barrel a bullet went through on its way out of the gun. Barrel marks are similar to fingerprints.

California lawmakers are collectively STUPID!

gotta remember the intent of the law is to just plain get rid of guns period
and this won't stop until it's succeeded.

...and what the collectively stupid do not fathom is that CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY GUN LAWS! Every time I see an argument for gun control I sigh in disbelief that so many still cling to the asinine idea that criminals will turn in or register their weapons. Just how stupid can people get?

I suppose your rant answers the question.

Gun control, like DUI laws won't prevent, they punish. When the punishment is sure, swift and serious in terms of consequences, smart people will comply and others will pay huge fines and/or spend time in jail or prison.

Will laws prevent mass killings, maybe not, but limiting fire power may allow some to escape serious injury or death.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Looks like California has found a way to stop their citizens from getting guns.

Requiring Gun makers to microstamp the cartridges when fired.

Smith and Wesson has already said they can't comply with the law and now Ruger is saying the same thing.

Ruger Firearms Being 'Forced' Out of California Due to Microstamping

On January 23rd, Breitbart News reported Smith & Wesson's plans to end most California gun sales due to the state's microstamping regulation. In so doing, we mentioned that Sturm, Ruger, & Co. had also announced that their guns would likely not be available in California either for the same reason.

Breitbart News spoke to Sturm, Ruger, & Co. on January 24th and they provided us with this statement "in response to our question about how the [microstamping] law in California will impact Ruger":


Ruger is committed to its customers in California. Unfortunately, the ill-conceived law requiring the incorporation of microstamping technology into semi-automatic pistols is forcing Ruger pistols off the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California. We are working hard to serve our customers in California and will do all we can to fight this draconian law. We continue to submit pistols to the independent test lab for testing and those pistols meet all the requirements of California in effect when those pistols first appeared on the Roster, i.e., everything except microstamping. We have been informed by the lab that the CA DDI will not even consider these "new" pistols for inclusion on the Roster unless they satisfy the microstamping regulations, which many numerous studies have found unworkable. Until microstamping is repealed, we expect that Ruger pistols--some of the safest available--will continue to be forced off the Roster.

only the people of California can get themselves out of the mess they have made

 

[hjmick]

only the people of California can get themselves out of the mess they have made

Honestly, I think it's too late...

 

[thanatos144]

Just another reason for the citizens of California to leave....Soon all they are going to have is the illegals and drug dealers there.

 

[The T]

Just another reason for the citizens of California to leave....Soon all they are going to have is the illegals and drug dealers there.

And ALL of them will be armed.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

California is an oppressive state that steps on the civil rights of its residents. Apparently, a lot of people like that, but I'll never live there.

It's bad enough so many of them are flocking here to Vegas.

 

[BlackSand]

It would serve CA right if all gun and ammo manufacturers quit selling to law enforcement except at highly inflated prices to make up for their lost revenue in the private market.

Law Enforcement is specifically "exempt" from having to use firearms with this technology according to the California law.
They thought about that too when writing the law.

.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Make a bar code out of the rifling in the barrels. There are infinite variations that can be used in the width and spacing of the grooves.

Simple idea? Yes.

Simple to implement? No...and it would only present an improvement of the current method of identifying which rifled barrel a bullet went through on its way out of the gun. Barrel marks are similar to fingerprints.

California lawmakers are collectively STUPID!

All you have to do is jam something through the barrel to change it's "finger print".

And there is no way gun manufactures are going to broach a different barrel for every gun. The cost would be prohibitive.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It would serve CA right if all gun and ammo manufacturers quit selling to law enforcement except at highly inflated prices to make up for their lost revenue in the private market.

Law Enforcement is specifically "exempt" from having to use firearms with this technology according to the California law.
They thought about that too when writing the law.

.

Another irony of the socialist left.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It would serve CA right if all gun and ammo manufacturers quit selling to law enforcement except at highly inflated prices to make up for their lost revenue in the private market.

That's actually a very good idea. That could end this shit really quick. All the gun manufacturers in this country should get together and stop all sales to law enforcement agencies in states that keep coming up with these oppressive laws.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Looks like California has found a way to stop their citizens from getting guns.

Nonsense.

The measure has nothing to do with selling used handguns:

The microstamping requirement is limited to newly designed semiautomatic handguns and older models that have been updated or modified by gun makers.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ting-s-and-w-and-ruger-from-selling-guns.html

Consequently residents of California retain the ability to purchase handguns for self-defense.

You’re also a liar, which comes as no surprise given the propensity of most conservatives to indeed lie.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If there were ever a time to file a lawsuit to have a law invalidated, it's now.

Which would be problematic at best, given the fact that the Constitution guarantees one the right to possess an handgun pursuant to self-defense, not the right to possess a new handgun.

 

[thanatos144]

If there were ever a time to file a lawsuit to have a law invalidated, it's now.

Which would be problematic at best, given the fact that the Constitution guarantees one the right to possess an handgun pursuant to self-defense, not the right to possess a new handgun.

Oh look a fascist is again trying to lie about the constitution

tapatalk post

 

[The T]

If there were ever a time to file a lawsuit to have a law invalidated, it's now.

Which would be problematic at best, given the fact that the Constitution guarantees one the right to possess an handgun pursuant to self-defense, not the right to possess a new handgun.

Where is THAT in the Constitution? Funny? I don't recall such a passage.
Does "shall NOT be infringed" confuse you?

 

[9thIDdoc]

The gun industry should refuse to sell anything to anybody in Ca. including police and military. Anybody still there probably shouldn't be trusted with a weapon anyway.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Of course, the law is idiocy, as criminals will also have access to used handguns, and seek them out accordingly.

And used handguns will continue to be legally brought into and sold in the State, so the notion that the law will interfere with Californians’ ability to defend themselves is not only a lie, but ridiculous as well.

 

[OKTexas]

First, California is not preventing anyone from selling guns in the sate. Smith & Wesson and Sturm & Ruger are opting not to comply with the new law regarding microstamping and the result is that they will not be offering their semi-automatics for sale in California. There has been no mention of their revolvers, so they may still be selling those in the California market.

I can't say that I blame them. Microstamping is expensive, flawed, unproven and likely to fail over time. How many times will the gun be fired before the microstamp is illegible?

One thing I have learned after living in California for more than thirty years is this, as forward thinking as they think they are, as much as they think they are better than the rest of the country, they constantly pass laws that can only be considered embarrassing by the rest of the country...


It should be interest to see what Colt and Glock and the others do...

I hope none comply, because for the system to work as designed the government has to know who owns every gun and track every resale. That would be the gun grabbers dream, but there are too many guns out there they don't know about to make that program effective. It's just more commies trying to exert control over the little people.