If you think that the high speed rail is remotely the same as the transcontinental railroad and the transcontinental highway system, your being as much of a fool as PJ.
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California Leg. OKs funding for high-speed rail line
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If you think that the high speed rail is remotely the same as the transcontinental railroad and the transcontinental highway system, your being as much of a fool as PJ.
bripat9643
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Today's conservatives would never have supported the transcontinental railroad, nor the transcontinental highway system.
You got that right. Both were vast boondoggles that harmed the US economically. The transcontinental railroads were cesspools of graft, fraud and corruption. All of them went bankrupt because they were so poorly designed and poorly constructed.
Today's conservatives would never have supported the transcontinental railroad, nor the transcontinental highway system.
You REALLY need to read some history there pj, Your ignorance is showing..
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High-speed rail to finally break ground in California | DVICE
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Construction of the rail line is slated to begin by summer's end. Once completed, the long-anticipated high-speed rail line will connect Los Angeles and San Francisco via a 220 mph life-line. Commuters between the two major cities will complete their journey in under three hours, with stops in Fresno and Merced along the way.
The CHSRA hopes that their project will not only serve both LA and San Francisco, but will benefit the smaller cities along the route, which are likely to become vital, low-cost commuter communities. And if that weren't enough benefit, California plans to run the high-speed rail line on entirely green energy. Solar, wind and geothermal plants will combine to provide the rail line with the power it needs to reach top speed. And in good, old-fashioned tree-hugger spirit, the CHSRA will be planting trees to offset the carbon costs of construction.
It's not all blue skies and leafy greens for the project, however. Only 10 of the estimated $68 billion needed to complete the project have so far been raised. And while California governor Gerry Brown has been drumming up international interest in the project since last year, there's still a lot of financial ground to cover. If all goes well, Americans will be cruising the full length of the high-speed rail corridor by 2029.
<excerpt>
Construction of the rail line is slated to begin by summer's end. Once completed, the long-anticipated high-speed rail line will connect Los Angeles and San Francisco via a 220 mph life-line. Commuters between the two major cities will complete their journey in under three hours, with stops in Fresno and Merced along the way.
The CHSRA hopes that their project will not only serve both LA and San Francisco, but will benefit the smaller cities along the route, which are likely to become vital, low-cost commuter communities. And if that weren't enough benefit, California plans to run the high-speed rail line on entirely green energy. Solar, wind and geothermal plants will combine to provide the rail line with the power it needs to reach top speed. And in good, old-fashioned tree-hugger spirit, the CHSRA will be planting trees to offset the carbon costs of construction.
It's not all blue skies and leafy greens for the project, however. Only 10 of the estimated $68 billion needed to complete the project have so far been raised. And while California governor Gerry Brown has been drumming up international interest in the project since last year, there's still a lot of financial ground to cover. If all goes well, Americans will be cruising the full length of the high-speed rail corridor by 2029.
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ScienceRocks
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We should buy some of those "trains" from Japan that can go over 300 mph. 
Old Rocks
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Sure would not want to be on one of them at speed when the San Andreas let go.
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If this ever gets completed it will end up costing three times as much before it's said and done and will never see an economic benefit that justifies the cost of building and maintaining it.
ScienceRocks
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I'd stick with the hyperlooper as it is suppose to be only a third the cost and much faster.
Little-Acorn
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Well, well. It's always darkest just before dawn.
The California high-speed rail people have been ramming their initiatives throught the system here, making promises impossible to keep and bulling ahead anyway, for years now.
And now a judge has finally called them on it.
It's not clear if the judge has the authority to acually halt the funding and stop the project, but at least he called a spade a spade. Now it will be harder for the thugs to keep going without answering a lot of questions people want answered.
One of the most spectacular promises the thugs made, is agreeing that each segment of the railroad, when built, would fully pay for itself (i.e. would support its own operating expenses, interest payments etc.) before the next segment is built... specifically including the very first segment.
That first segment is to be built from a point in the middle of nowhere in California's Central Valley (near Madera, pop. 61,000), to another point in the middle of nowhere (near Wasco, pop. 25,000). This is in the middle of the state's prime (and sparsely populated) farm country. To my knowledge, very few people in either Madersa or Wasco want to travel from their town to the other town at 100mph (and wind up in a strange town without a car to get around after they arrive), especially when they can drive the same stretch at 65 without waiting for a train. See the green segment of the line in the map below.
People from large populations centers such as San Fran/Oakland/San Jose, or Los Angeles/San Diego, would have to drive their cars a hundred miles or more, through the usual traffic jams, to get to the train station, wait for the train, and take the brief "high speed" ride for 1/3 the trip, and then find another way to get from the end station to their actual destination, without a car for the last part.
Yet the thugs assure us that enough of them will go through all that, consistently enough, to let the first segment of CHSR pay for itself. The idea that PRCalif taxpayers are likely to wind up paying the entire huge cost themselves if it doesn't come true, is never mentioned.
Well, this judge finally mentioned it.
He'd better stay away from small aircraft, isolated parks, and railroad tracks (new or old) for the next few decades, is all I can say.
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http://www.sacbee.com/2013/08/16/5657474/judge-calif-high-speed-rail-violates.html
Judge: Calif. high-speed rail violates initiative
By JULIET WILLIAMS
Associated Press
Published: Friday, Aug. 16, 2013 - 4:57 pm
Last Modified: Friday, Aug. 16, 2013 - 7:56 pm
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A Sacramento County judge dealt a major blow to California's high-speed rail project Friday, ruling that the agency overseeing the bullet train failed to comply with the financial and environmental promises made to voters when they approved initial funding for the project five years ago.
Superior Court Judge Michael Kenny said the California High-Speed Rail Authority "abused its discretion by approving a funding plan that did not comply with the requirements of the law" and has failed to identify "sources of funds that were more than merely theoretically possible."
Yet he declined to immediately halt funding for the project, saying it was not clear that he had the discretion to do so and he will hold another hearing to determine what happens next. A date has not yet been set.
The 2008 initiative, Proposition 1A, required the rail authority to specify where the funding would come from for the first operable segment of high-speed rail and have all the environmental clearances in place. Kenny said the agency did not comply with either of those mandates, but Proposition 1A appears to leave it up to lawmakers to decide whether the funding plan is sufficient to warrant funding.
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
The California high-speed rail people have been ramming their initiatives throught the system here, making promises impossible to keep and bulling ahead anyway, for years now.
And now a judge has finally called them on it.
It's not clear if the judge has the authority to acually halt the funding and stop the project, but at least he called a spade a spade. Now it will be harder for the thugs to keep going without answering a lot of questions people want answered.
One of the most spectacular promises the thugs made, is agreeing that each segment of the railroad, when built, would fully pay for itself (i.e. would support its own operating expenses, interest payments etc.) before the next segment is built... specifically including the very first segment.
That first segment is to be built from a point in the middle of nowhere in California's Central Valley (near Madera, pop. 61,000), to another point in the middle of nowhere (near Wasco, pop. 25,000). This is in the middle of the state's prime (and sparsely populated) farm country. To my knowledge, very few people in either Madersa or Wasco want to travel from their town to the other town at 100mph (and wind up in a strange town without a car to get around after they arrive), especially when they can drive the same stretch at 65 without waiting for a train. See the green segment of the line in the map below.
People from large populations centers such as San Fran/Oakland/San Jose, or Los Angeles/San Diego, would have to drive their cars a hundred miles or more, through the usual traffic jams, to get to the train station, wait for the train, and take the brief "high speed" ride for 1/3 the trip, and then find another way to get from the end station to their actual destination, without a car for the last part.
Yet the thugs assure us that enough of them will go through all that, consistently enough, to let the first segment of CHSR pay for itself. The idea that PRCalif taxpayers are likely to wind up paying the entire huge cost themselves if it doesn't come true, is never mentioned.
Well, this judge finally mentioned it.
He'd better stay away from small aircraft, isolated parks, and railroad tracks (new or old) for the next few decades, is all I can say.
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http://www.sacbee.com/2013/08/16/5657474/judge-calif-high-speed-rail-violates.html
Judge: Calif. high-speed rail violates initiative
By JULIET WILLIAMS
Associated Press
Published: Friday, Aug. 16, 2013 - 4:57 pm
Last Modified: Friday, Aug. 16, 2013 - 7:56 pm
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A Sacramento County judge dealt a major blow to California's high-speed rail project Friday, ruling that the agency overseeing the bullet train failed to comply with the financial and environmental promises made to voters when they approved initial funding for the project five years ago.
Superior Court Judge Michael Kenny said the California High-Speed Rail Authority "abused its discretion by approving a funding plan that did not comply with the requirements of the law" and has failed to identify "sources of funds that were more than merely theoretically possible."
Yet he declined to immediately halt funding for the project, saying it was not clear that he had the discretion to do so and he will hold another hearing to determine what happens next. A date has not yet been set.
The 2008 initiative, Proposition 1A, required the rail authority to specify where the funding would come from for the first operable segment of high-speed rail and have all the environmental clearances in place. Kenny said the agency did not comply with either of those mandates, but Proposition 1A appears to leave it up to lawmakers to decide whether the funding plan is sufficient to warrant funding.
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
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Little-Acorn
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The proposed magnet tubes would make high speed rail already old and useless technology. The tubes would be cheaper and safer.
Science fiction always is... until you try to build and run it.
Trajan
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Well, well. It's always darkest just before dawn.
The California high-speed rail people have been ramming their initiatives throught the system here, making promises impossible to keep and bulling ahead anyway, for years now.
And now a judge has finally called them on it.
It's not clear if the judge has the authority to acually halt the funding and stop the project, but at least he called a spade a spade. Now it will be harder for the thugs to keep going without answering a lot of questions people want answered.
One of the most spectacular promises the thugs made, is agreeing that each segment of the railroad, when built, would fully pay for itself (i.e. would support its own operating expenses, interest payments etc.) before the next segment is built... specifically including the very first segment.
That first segment is to be built from a point in the middle of nowhere in California's Central Valley (near Madera, pop. 61,000), to another point in the middle of nowhere (near Wasco, pop. 25,000). This is in the middle of the state's prime (and sparsely populated) farm country. To my knowledge, very few people in either Madersa or Wasco want to travel from their town to the other town at 100mph (and wind up in a strange town without a car to get around after they arrive), especially when they can drive the same stretch at 65 without waiting for a train. See the green segment of the line in the map below.
People from large populations centers such as San Fran/Oakland/San Jose, or Los Angeles/San Diego, would have to drive their cars a hundred miles or more, through the usual traffic jams, to get to the train station, wait for the train, and take the brief "high speed" ride for 1/3 the trip, and then find another way to get from the end station to their actual destination, without a car for the last part.
Yet the thugs assure us that enough of them will go through all that, consistently enough, to let the first segment of CHSR pay for itself. The idea that PRCalif taxpayers are likely to wind up paying the entire huge cost themselves if it doesn't come true, is never mentioned.
Well, this judge finally mentioned it.
He'd better stay away from small aircraft, isolated parks, and railroad tracks (new or old) for the next few decades, is all I can say.
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Judge: Calif. high-speed rail violates initiative - AP State Business News - The Sacramento Bee
Judge: Calif. high-speed rail violates initiative
By JULIET WILLIAMS
Associated Press
Published: Friday, Aug. 16, 2013 - 4:57 pm
Last Modified: Friday, Aug. 16, 2013 - 7:56 pm
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A Sacramento County judge dealt a major blow to California's high-speed rail project Friday, ruling that the agency overseeing the bullet train failed to comply with the financial and environmental promises made to voters when they approved initial funding for the project five years ago.
Superior Court Judge Michael Kenny said the California High-Speed Rail Authority "abused its discretion by approving a funding plan that did not comply with the requirements of the law" and has failed to identify "sources of funds that were more than merely theoretically possible."
Yet he declined to immediately halt funding for the project, saying it was not clear that he had the discretion to do so and he will hold another hearing to determine what happens next. A date has not yet been set.
The 2008 initiative, Proposition 1A, required the rail authority to specify where the funding would come from for the first operable segment of high-speed rail and have all the environmental clearances in place. Kenny said the agency did not comply with either of those mandates, but Proposition 1A appears to leave it up to lawmakers to decide whether the funding plan is sufficient to warrant funding.
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
thank you god.....and Superior Court Judge Michael Kenny....even the state democratic legislator who was the moving force behind the HSR bond measure says this is not what th voters voted for ..
Trajan
conscientia mille testes
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The proposed magnet tubes would make high speed rail already old and useless technology. The tubes would be cheaper and safer.
no, thats not it, theres a vacuum system thats even better, doesn't require the power a mag lev would need, damn I cannot remember the name of it
Little-Acorn
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The proposed magnet tubes would make high speed rail already old and useless technology. The tubes would be cheaper and safer.
no, thats not it, theres a vacuum system thats even better, doesn't require the power a mag lev would need, damn I cannot remember the name of it
"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", by R. A Heinlein, 1966.
The proposed magnet tubes would make high speed rail already old and useless technology. The tubes would be cheaper and safer.
no, thats not it, theres a vacuum system thats even better, doesn't require the power a mag lev would need, damn I cannot remember the name of it
Is that the one proposed by the guy who owns SpaceX? I heard that after his proposal someone came forward and had already built a prototype.
Right then I knew that this high speed rail was going to be a waste.
ScienceRocks
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The hyperloop I heard would cause 1/4th the price of the train...Goes 800 mph. Why not?
Why not?
ScienceRocks
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I don't know why such a slow train has to cause 60 billion dollars to build? Wtf is wrong with my country????
We can't build anything anymore without it costing 4-5 times what it would in China.
We can't build anything anymore without it costing 4-5 times what it would in China.
The hyperloop I heard would cause 1/4th the price of the train...Goes 800 mph.
That's it. The hyperloop. Is that magnet or vacuum?
It would make all rail lines obsolete.
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