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You're a troll. You come into this site with a trolling name, trolling avatar, and in threads about gun control you're injecting and posting nothing except abortion. YOu came here to try to control the discussion in a rebellion against the Supreme Court's decision. Trolls who add nothing to the discussion should be banned.A life or human life is not equivalent to a human being or a human person. The zygote or embryo is human, but it's not a human being or person. The woman is the human being and person with rights. You want to force women to remain pregnant for the sake of something that they have no moral obligation to sacrifice themselves for. The irony and hypocrisy is that you religious folks claim to care so much for fetuses (life in other people's wombs), yet you take every opportunity to defund government programs that help single mothers raise their children. Programs that assist single, impoverished mothers with food, housing, healthcare, daycare, job training, school lunches..etc. Whatever you Republican Evangelicals can do to defund these programs, you do it and you don't fill the need. Your "charity" and outreach ministries aren't enough. These programs address issues at a national scale, that not even the Salvation Army or the Catholic Church could adequately address. and serve.
Your hatred for government isn't even Biblical or righteous.
Tough talk does equal toughAlong with pistols and shotguns I have long guns, like an "AR-15", for dealing with the psuedo-liberal Leftist mobs whom sometimes riot, pillage, and loot, etc. while engaging in sedition.
Should those CHAZ/CHOP crazies threaten me and my family and friends, I intend to recycle their karma.
And I am saying your grass roots uprising would be an utter failure!You don't read to well, do you? Did I say anything about a group? You try to overthrow the Constitution and there are millions who know, without ever talking to another person, what their job is.
The Generals don’t go onto the battlefield much but you think the Politicians that lead them do. SmhHaving the guns isn’t necessarily to protect us from police, SWAT, or military.
They are to be used on the politicians that command them should they become so corrupt and tyrannical that they need to be overthrown.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Are you claiming politicians can’t be found during a revolution?The Generals don’t go onto the battlefield much but you think the Politicians that lead them do. Smh
Science doesn't have to do a thing. DNA did it for them. DNA functions as a developmental stage device that dictates what hair color you have, the shape of your eyes, nose, chin, facial features, bones, muscles, brain ability, senses, and the distribution of one billion cells, each containing its DNA copy, and each contributing unique personal attributes. The child's dna is not the same as the mother's and father's dna sequences that make them look quite different from their parents other than a mild resemblance. Half the parents' dna is not expressed because it comes from an ancestor. That's why some black people have lily white colored skin baby due to an ancestor as far back as time goes, who had lily white skin. And an occasional white person has a black child now and then from that trove of unespressed traits blossoming generations later. Not the same DNA, not the same person. So a mother has her body and her fetus has its body. They were never intended to be the same person, so the "my body, my choice," ends where the child's body begins. That's the scientific fact of separation of persons that begins with the 2-zygote human being that latches onto its mother's uterus as its first ticket on the trainride to the outside world in nine months. And the conspiracy to commit murder invitro is one of the most disdained acts one can commit, because it takes more than one person to conspire with a gravedigging abortionist to cravenly kill a very helpless, infinitesimal being inside its mother's welcome wagon.Science doesn't answer the question of when a fetus becomes a human person.
DNA alone doesn't give anything or anyone an inherent right to live, much less at the great expense of others. The zygote or the embryo requires a woman to become a human being and person hence it is up to the woman to decide whether she's going to remain pregnant or not. A woman is under no moral obligation to allow a mass of cells attached to her uterus to grow at her cost and become a human being. The interests and health of the woman take precedence over that of a potential human being. Are you going to support her if she loses her job? Are you going to her funeral if she dies due to complications with her pregnancy? You don't even know her name and you want to control her womb and embryo?Science doesn't have to do a thing. DNA did it for them. DNA functions as a developmental stage device that dictates what hair color you have, the shape of your eyes, nose, chin, facial features, bones, muscles, brain ability, senses, and the distribution of one billion cells, each containing its DNA copy.
Geez, dude. TL;DRDNA alone doesn't give anything or anyone an inherent right to live, much less at the great expense of others. The zygote or the embryo requires a woman to become a human being and person hence it is up to the woman to decide whether she's going to remain pregnant or not. A woman is under no moral obligation to allow a mass of cells attached to her uterus to grow at her cost and become a human being. The interests and health of the woman take precedence over that of a potential human being.
Ironically these Evangelicals were griping about the government mandating we all wear masks in public venues, in the middle of a deadly pandemic, on the grounds that the government shouldn't have such power over our bodies, and yet here we have the same Evangelicals forcing women to remain pregnant by the power of the state. Amazing the HYPOCRISY.
If you claim that the zygote or the embryo, or the fetus early in its development is a human being and person, then I ask you is that zygote, embryo or fetus an adult human being? Stupid question right? Well asserting that an embryo is a human person or baby is just as stupid.
You're reducing human beings to a zygote or an embryo, or a fetus that's not even nearly fully formed. Human society decides who is and isn't a human being and a member of its community. If you or I get into a serious accident and end up in a vegetative state, in the ICU, attached to a quarter million dollar machine, in a hospital room costing $25,000 daily, I assure you, our American society, will eventually pull the plug, unless you have a mama or spouse willing to incur the cost of taking care of a human vegetable, forever. Do you have DNA? Yes. Are you a human being? Yes. Are you a member of society? Yes. Does society have a moral obligation to keep you alive, attached to its technology? At a certain point, No. Society doesn't have that moral obligation to bear the cost of keeping you alive forever.
More, even your Bible doesn't necessarily equate the life of a fetus to the life of a woman:
22 “When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall[a] be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, (Exodus 21:22-24)
The Revised Standard Version translates the Hebrew text as saying 'there is a miscarriage'. This implies that the 'harm' refers only to the woman not the fetus. This is also explicit in the New Jerusalem Bible: 'she suffers a miscarriage but no further harm is done'. On this interpretation the death of the fetus merits a 'fine' but further harm to the mother merits 'life for life'. The violent assailant is executed for murder.
DEATH OF FETUS = FINE
DEATH OF WOMAN = EXECUTION
Fetuses are not equal to the women that conceive them, with respect to their value. In favour of this interpretation is the witness of Josephus in the first century AD:
" He that kicks a woman with child, so that the woman miscarry, let him pay a fine in money... as having diminished the multitude by the destruction of what was in her womb...but if she die of the stroke, let him also be put to death." (Josephus. Antiquities of the Jews 4.8.33)
The Jewish philosopher Philo, an older contemporary of Josephus, follows this interpretation:
"If the child within her is still unfashioned and unformed, he shall be punished by a fine...But if the child had assumed a distinct shape in all its parts, having received all its proper and distinctive qualities, he shall die." (Philo. On Special Laws. 3.19)
Most ancient rabbis shared the above opinions. Either what was being referred to was the death of the woman, or the death of a fully formed fetus. The fetus is considered an appendage of the woman's body by most Jewish authorities, both ancient and modern. It's not a human being and a member of the community until it is at least halfway out of the birth canal. Some ancient rabbis even went further and didn't recognize the fetus as a human being and living soul until it took its first breath.
You're claiming women have the moral obligation of allowing a zygote or embryo to become a human being and baby. No they don't. Especially when you Republican conservatives and Evangelicals are defunding government programs, that help single mothers raise their children. You defund community infrastructure in the name of "cutting taxes", even though those programs are within the budgets of most if not all state governments, especially when they're receiving funding from the federal government. Even if you holy-rollers and "born again saints" have to pay an extra $20 a month in taxes, so what? Aren't you Evangelicals the disciples of Jesus Christ? Aren't you the "salt of the Earth"?
The Republican politicians that you "Christians" elect, often defund school lunch programs for poor children, they defund programs that provide children with school supplies and clothing, they defund daycare programs for parents that need to work and don't have anyone to care for their babies. These Republican "conservatives", defund housing and food programs for single mothers who are struggling financially and need help. They defund healthcare programs for single mothers and defund vocational job training for single moms. Do you have the moral high ground to demand women stay pregnant when your Republican politics undermines the ability of single mothers to raise their children? Your morality is warped, you have a very skewed standard of right and wrong.
Jesus said:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
House the homeless strangers, "taking them in". If you "disciples" of Jesus, don't have enough love in your hearts to "let the homeless in" or take care of the poor, then YHWH will use socialists and communists like myself to do it. He used atheists to resettle Israel, and He will use communists to establish His Kingdom on Earth, if you refuse to accomplish your mission, as disciples of the Messiah. If you refuse to obey your Lord, then YHWH will commission communists to do it. Itis that simple. He used Cyrus, a Zoroastrian Persian king, to accomplish His will and He used Atheists to re-kindle Zionism in the 19th century and thousands of communist Jews to re-settle the land and clear the swamps, turning them into farmland. Thousands of communist Jews died of malaria, clearing those swamps in southern Israel. Where were the disciples of Jesus, where were the Orthodox Jews? YHWH will use communists, even atheists to accomplish his plans.
Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thy healing shall spring forth speedily; and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of Jehovah shall be thy rearward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and Jehovah will answer; thou shalt cry, and he will say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking wickedly;
Isa 58:10 and if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul: then shall thy light rise in darkness, and thine obscurity be as the noonday;
Isa 58:11 and Jehovah will guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in dry places, and make strong thy bones; and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places; thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
You have failed as disciples of Jesus, the King of King and Lord of Lords. Governors in training that reign with Him, must lay down everything at the foot of the cross. EVERYTHING. Capitalist hypocrites, worshipers of mammon, lovers of privilege and opulence, carpeting your foxholes, in a foolish effort to turn them into hotel suites at the Hilton. Mortar rounds going off around you, tracers flying over your heads, in the middle of a battlefield and rather than fighting the good fight you're sitting in the trenches, drinking beer and playing cards.
The first Christians, the true disciples of Jesus, loved each other with sacrificial love:
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' teaching and fellowship, in the breaking of bread and the prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according as any man had need.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 For neither was there among them any that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 and laid them at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto each, according as any one had need.
Act 4:36 And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of exhortation), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race,
Act 4:37 having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.
That's how true Christian love looks like. That's the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. You Evangelicals have reduced the gospel to mere words and religious doctrineering. Paper and ink, a book, is not Jesus. A bunch of cowards chasing after eternal life, yet you're not willing to sacrifice yourself as your master did on the cross of calvary. How will the world know that Jesus is the King and Savior of this world, if you refuse to become like Him? You are the only Christ the world may ever see, yet you refuse to manifest His glory.
Joh 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.
That the world may believe and know that Jesus is real, the body of Jesus on Earth must be one.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
One heart and one soul. One body that the world can see and say "there are the disciples of Jesus". Each one of you has gone your own way, in pursuit of mammon. Worldly comfort. That's why the church has become a circus full of clowns. An impotent church full of empty words.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you.
How did Jesus love His disciples, His comrades? Here it is:
1Jn_2:6 he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.
Luk_9:23 And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 12:33 Sell that which ye have, and give alms; make for yourselves purses which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief draweth near, neither moth destroyeth.
Luk 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Luk 18:22 And when Jesus heard it, he said unto him, One thing thou lackest yet: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
That's how He loved. He gave EVERYTHING. That's how the first Christians loved and lived. They carried their crosses daily, died daily, and gave EVERYTHING to their comrades. They laid it all down at the foot of the cross (at the foot of their brothers and sisters, the body of Christ). That's why they were full of divine glory and power. When those Christians preached the gospel, the world was compelled to listen. Their words had POWER. Backed by sincere, genuine, sacrificial love.
Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:28 Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or mother, or father, or children, or lands, for my sake, and for the gospel's sake,
Mar 10:30 but he shall receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Mar 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.
But you aspire to be in this world that which Jesus himself identified as hardly entering the kingdom of His Father. How is that possible, if you are truly a disciple of Jesus?
These Republican Evangelical "conservatives", pursue the god of mammon, worldly wealth and status, within this evil capitalist system of gross exploitation and tyranny, aspiring to become capitalist lords themselves. They want to lord themselves over others, in pursuit of profits, worldly luxuries. They then have the audacity to pretend that they are "PRO-LIFE", when they are defunding government programs that help single mothers raise their children. Undermining the government's ability to address societal ills like homelessness, drug addiction, and abortion. What these fake disciples of Jesus fail to grasp is that eliminating poverty, helps single mothers raise their children, thereby significantly reducing abortion. But they could care less about that because they love mammon and pretend to be "Christian capitalists". Many of these Evangelicals are working-class people brainwashed by their capitalist lords, to worship money and defend capitalism.
YHWH will employ communists, and socialists, even atheists, to do the work that the supposed disciples of Jesus are refusing to do. That's how concerned the true YHWH and His Son are of the poor and those who need to wake up in the morning and go to work. The True Living God, not the one the Evangelicals have created, but the actual God of Israel, will never take the side of the rich at the expense of the poor. As Jesus said, He will throw all of you stinking frauds, into hell, for refusing to open your doors to the homeless and meeting the needs of the poor. You hurt single mothers, then claim you're "Pro-Life" . Champions of fetuses at the expense of women.
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in;
YOU TOOK ME NOT IN, AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP ME OUT, OUT OF YOUR LOVE FOR MAMMON AND WORLDLY PLEASURES. YOU EVANGELICALS ARE DISCIPLES OF DEMONS, NOT JESUS. CHAMPIONS OF FETUSES.
You're a troll. You come into this site with a trolling name, trolling avatar, and in threads about gun control you're injecting and posting nothing except abortion. YOu came here to try to control the discussion in a rebellion against the Supreme Court's decision. Trolls who add nothing to the discussion should be banned.
Life is life. Living cells are living cells and thus life. When NASA look on Mars for life, they don't squabble if it's a zygote, baby, alien etc..My mother was ready to be pregnant and gave birth to me, as an actual human being. I didn't exist before I was actualized as a human being, so your point is moot. If that zygote or embryo that existed before I existed as a person, had a soul, then I would've returned to heaven with the angels, to be thrown back into another womb. However, you should ask yourself, why would a god that is supposedly all-knowing, allow an unwanted pregnancy? If he already knows a pregnancy is going to be terminated by a woman that doesn't want to be pregnant, why would he allow a soul to enter into that womb? Perhaps we don't have souls, at least not until we are born and breathing, conscious. Perhaps living souls are created once a person takes their first breath? Anyways, soul or no soul, the woman is the actual human being and she is the one that should determine whether she's going to remain pregnant or not. It's not pro-life to force women to remain pregnant and give birth to unwanted children.
You're a troll. You come into this site with a trolling name, trolling avatar, and in threads about gun control you're injecting and posting nothing except abortion. YOu came here to try to control the discussion in a rebellion against the Supreme Court's decision. Trolls who add nothing to the discussion should be banned.
Life is life. Living cells are living cells and thus life. When NASA look on Mars for life, they don't squabble if it's a zygote, baby, alien etc..
There's no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy. But there's such a thing as bakes not understanding/practicing basic sex education and then wanting the state to implement an abortion contraceptive.
No pun on NASA, not wanting to get pregnant is not rocket science. And thus nature rewards them with a prize if they haven't got two brain cells to rub together.
My wife and I had kids, when we wanted to, so our choices were made before any conception went on. And we brought the kids up at our expense because kids are a responsibility, but maybe some/many fathers and/or mothers ignore. Kids are not a society and/or government's responsibility. Anyone who believes someone needs funded to raise their kid, I believe they're more than welcome to cover that cost on behalf of the tax payer.Life is life but that doesn't imply that life is a person or human being. If I extract a living, human cell from my finger, that living cell is human but that in and of itself doesn't make it a human person or being. In order for that cell to survive and become a human being, it would have to be attached to technology and eventually a womb. It has potential to become a human person, but that potential depends upon actual human beings providing it with the means to actualize itself into a human being. A woman, who is an actual human being with her own set of interests, needs, and circumstances is not morally obligated to provide herself to a zygote or embryo, attached to her uterus, allowing it to become a human being. She's the one that should decide for herself if she's going to remain pregnant, bearing the cost of that condition, not someone else.
In a perfect world, women would only get pregnant when they're ready to be mothers, but unfortunately, we don't live in that perfect, ideal world. More, many of the so-called "pro-life" people, elect Republican, conservative politicians that defund social programs that help single mothers raise their children. So it's ironic to see people who have such disregard for single mothers and their children, promoting legislation that forces women to remain pregnant when they don't want to be (all of their compassion is directed at fetuses). They're so concerned about the fetuses in other people's wombs, then refuse to provide needed assistance to those same "fetuses" when they become children, living in a single-parent home. These "Pro-Life" Republicans are hypocrites, especially if they claim to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Because the true disciples of Jesus would prioritize the survival and wellbeing of life outside of the womb, not life inside of it. At the very least, they would continue caring for people outside of the womb, after they're born, not just while they're in the womb.
My wife and I had kids, when we wanted to, so our choices were made before any conception went on. And we brought the kids up at our expense because kids are a responsibility, but maybe some/many fathers and/or mothers ignore. Kids are not a society and/or government's responsibility. Anyone who believes someone needs funded to raise their kid, I believe they're more than welcome to cover that cost on behalf of the tax payer.
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CommunistFront what would you do if medical technology wasn't there to administer an abortion?
