Can Gun Nuts Please Stop Saying You Need Guns to Protect Yourself From A Potential Tyrannical Government!!!

[Uncensored2008]

The US totally defeated the NVA and destroyed the VC. It then cut off all travel from the PRC by destroying the road and rail bridges between North Vietnam and China and cut off travel from the USSR by mining Haiphong Harbor. The PRVN was completely out of munitions and was starving. It couldn’t sign the Paris Peace Accords fast enough. In other words the USA defeated the PRVN and destroyed its economy. The US conquered Iraq and only left when the government that the US installed refused to sign a status of troops agreement. We left Afghanistan after twenty years because our politicians finally realized that no matter how long we stayed the Afghani tribesmen weren’t going to give up. None drove us out.

Right...

 

[Uncensored2008]

First of all, there's never been a communist state. That's an oxymoron. Communism according to Marx is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. There can be a socialist state, but not a communist one, according to Marx. The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics.

More, you are completely ignoring the fact that every single country that has ever identified itself as having a socialist, Marxist, centrally planned economy, has been systematically targeted in the most brutal, inhumane fashion by the United States and its allies. Economic sanctions and embargoes, blockades, threats of war, being bombed and invaded..etc. They're isolated and forced to become more authoritarian, politically centralizing power in an effort to survive. Your assertion that all of the politicians in socialist countries are living in opulence while everyone else in their country is supposedly living in squalor, better describes third-world capitalist-run nations, not socialist ones.

Are members of the communist party, especially during wartime, eligible for more benefits than the average citizen that isn't a member of the revolutionary party? Yes, because the members of a revolutionary communist party, of a socialist country under the encirclement of the United States, must sacrifice more of their labor, time, and their very lives to defend the nation. Anyone in the country can become a member of the communist party, however.

Whenever socialism isn't being sanctioned and forced into a state of war and austerities, it does very well. Even being besieged by capitalist-imperialist powers, like the United States, these countries survive. Your comment also assumes that socialism must appear in the world and take over capitalism in one quick swoop if it's an effective and valid economic system. Did capitalism appear on the scene and immediately replace slavery and feudalism? No. It took centuries. So why are you demanding that socialism take over capitalism immediately if it is an effective mode of production? Isn't that a bit disingenuous on your part? As we advance technologically, wage labor will be reduced and eventually eliminated, thereby eliminating capitalism. The result of that is socialism, and eventually communism.

There has never been a church led by Jesus of Nazareth, yet we still speak of "Christian Churches."

Socialism is the abomination that is given as a substitute for the lie that is Communism.

Despite your lies, after Lenin staged the coup in Russian and murdered the democratically elected government to establish his dictatorship, the Wilson administration fully backed him. The kind of economic aid Biden gives to Cuba and other Communist shit holes was not possible at that time - still the USA did all we could.

And remember - Lenin was one of the most BRUTAL dictators the world has ever seen (no wonder Wilson loved him.) After Vlad had his stoke, Stalin picked up the slack - but no one could be as cruel and vicious. Had Lenin lived, the 65 million peace time civilians butchered by Stalin would have been a drop in the bucket.

No socialist country has ever "done well." The social democracies of Northern Europe have never been socialist and depend on isolationist, ethnically homogenous societies to support the welfare states they do have.

If the United States were to institute a guaranteed income for only whites who have been in the USA for more than 4 generations, the left would melt down.

Yet that is EXACTLY the requirement that Norway had during the very brief period that they offered a guaranteed income. Funny how Bolsheviks and their Nazi allies never get around to mentioning that part. NOR do you mention that it was a fucking disaster and repealed after a mere 3 years.

Because socialism is a cancer. To be "successful," socialism must kill its host - and it ALWAYS does.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What part of what I said is "star trek"? Was it my mention of atomic precision manufacturing machines? Why are you ignoring the fact that technology is expected to eliminate a significant % of wage-labor in the next twenty years? That's not just my opinion, capitalists themselves are admitting this. What do you think is going to occur when wage-labor is replaced with automated and autonomous systems, robotics, artificial intelligence, self-driving vehicles.etc? Parelegals are being replaced with AI. Even the specialists who look for cancer on CT scans are going to be replaced with AI soon. We're even moving now towards having completely autonomous, robot surgeons in about twenty years. You're just misinformed.

Technology expands because of capitalism. Because smart people have the opportunity to generate wealth and live a better life.

People don't work 90 hour weeks for the promise of "being a good citizen."

Even in Communist China, the "students" who come here to steal our technology do so for the promise of financial reward.

 

[Jaxson]

Your mockery and stupidity is noted.

We are a country because someone alerted us the Redcoats were coming.

Maybe crack a book sometime?

SO you're armed because you're afraid Redcoats are coming? LOL

 

[Uncensored2008]

SO you're armed because you're afraid Redcoats are coming? LOL

Your side likes black, and trashcans.

 

[miketx]

It makes you sound mentally challenged.

Having guns is not going to protect you from the police or military. With normal police equipment, SWAT teams, police tactics and fire power etc, they can easily neutralize any armed threat or movement. They wouldn't even break a sweat. Not to mention, police surveillance tactics will make it impossible for an anti-government group to organize a big enough threat to the regime. You don't have a chance. And that is only the police. Your little AR-15 isn't going to do anything to a drone, tank, apache helicopter, fighter jet or combat unit (much less special forces). There is a reason you have not seen a people's uprising to over-throw a government even in Africa in decade. And really only Sudan has been overthrown by a military coup.

No, the only reason you want certain guns (such as a AR-15) is because you like to have them.

It is true the vast majority of gun owners are responsible and good people, including AR-15 owners. But that 1% or 0.05% that are not responsible can cause havoc, as we just saw in Highland park (an event I was on my way to attend and an event to which I know many people that were directly effected).

If you want to hunt, then a single shot hunting rifle will suffice. If it is about home defense, then handguns and shotguns (which as both short-range) would be sufficient.

There are many things that can be done, such as arm teachers, have cops in schools, secure soft targets, better mental health facilities, red flag rules and immunity for snitching, involuntary institutionalization, high standards for gun ownership, higher and minimum sentences for illegal gun possession, Federal no buy lists, vicarious liability for guns for the gun owner etc., but stop with the argument that you need guns for tyrannical governments! Because it is foolish.

There should be a ban on all guns other then single shot hunting rifles, handguns and shotguns.

Now I know handguns are by far the weapon of choice in the vast number of homicides, but so called "assault rifles" (yes I know that is a term the liberals made up) it by far a more sufficient weapon to commit mass murder then a handgun, even if they are semi-automatic (vs full).

Keep sticking to these stances that turn off the moderates (e.g. ban on abortion and do nothing on guns) and then cry about how Demorats can win with gas over $5-6, out of control inflation, major blunders in foreign policy and everyone hating woke politics. If the Demorats keep the House and pick up senate seats you are going to see the most radical changes to this country that we haver ever seen.

Come get me and make me ya communist criminal loving bastard.

 

[miketx]

SO you're armed because you're afraid Redcoats are coming? LOL

No, child molesting democrats.

 

[M14 Shooter]

“Taking people out of poverty”? Communism put Russia and all of Eastern Europe INTO poverty,

Poverty is relative within a society.
If no one has any wealth, no one is in in poverty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The US totally defeated the NVA and destroyed the VC.

This is true.
The US forced North Vietnam to the table and forced terms to end of the war.
Two years later, after we left, the North Vietnamese broke those terms, and South Vietnam fell.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Your side likes black, and trashcans.

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I wonder if those blue-plastic barrel shields are rated to stop 5.56.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Right...

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Yep, what I said is what happened. The photo you are showing happened years later after the USSR converted the defeated PAVN from a light infantry army designed for a guerilla war into a European style armor heavy army designed for conquest. It did this at no cost to the North Vietnamese, giving them hundreds of millions of dollars of modern tanks and weapons as well as Red Army “advisors”. They did this while the Democrats in Congress cut off all aid to the South Vietnamese and after the invasion started congress refused to honor the sections of the treaty that promised we would support the RVN if the PRVN broke the treaty.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Poverty is relative within a society.
If no one has any wealth, no one is in in poverty.

Except in communist countries the rulers and their families are insanely rich. The gulf between the haves and have nots is wider than in any capitalist country.

 

[Harry Dresden]

These people are terrified. They've always been paranoid about the government, but now they're also afraid that the Chinese tanks will be rolling down Main Street any moment. They think we live in tyranny. This is what their media has done to them.

Imagine going through life like that.

you sound more terrified then they do mac....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yep, what I said is what happened. The photo you are showing happened years later after the USSR converted the defeated PAVN from a light infantry army designed for a guerilla war into a European style armor heavy army designed for conquest. It did this at no cost to the North Vietnamese, giving them hundreds of millions of dollars of modern tanks and weapons as well as Red Army “advisors”. They did this while the Democrats in Congress cut off all aid to the South Vietnamese and after the invasion started congress refused to honor the sections of the treaty that promised we would support the RVN if the PRVN broke the treaty.

Ah, so there was no retreat from Vietnam.

I take it there was no retreat in Afghanistan either?

 

[Uncensored2008]

you sound more terrified then they do mac....

November is coming - and it won't be good for mac's side.

 

[Harry Dresden]

November is coming - and it won't be good for mac's side.

mac claims he doesnt have a side.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

mac claims he doesnt have a side.....

mac claims a lot of things....

 

[Oldestyle]

mac claims he doesnt have a side.....

Mac says that now because even HE knows what's coming in November! The average American is DONE with progressives! They can't afford them and they understand it's only going to get worse unless they vote them out of office. You may have hated Trump's personality but it's hard to argue that his policies were FAR better for the American economy than what whoever it is that's running Joe Biden has given us! Can you even imagine how much worse it would be if not for one single Democratic Senator? Joe Manchin should get the Medal of Freedom for saving the Democratic Party from themselves.

 

[Oldestyle]

Repeating your bullshit doesn't make it true. Vietnamese, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans, and Bolivians, can all leave and they do. The US and its allies are imposing strict economic sanctions on most of the mentioned countries. Bolivia is now about to be sanctioned as well. These countries are not just sanctioned and isolated economically but often threatened with war and actually attacked by the United States. American politicians were threatening to invade Cuba about a year ago during the protests. Marco Rubio was pushing for an American invasion. This is the standard operating procedure of the United States towards socialist nations.

Have you not noticed how many of the "caravans" of illegals now headed for the southern border of the US are made up of Nicaraguans, Venezuelans and Bolivians? People are spending thousands of dollars and walking thousands of miles to escape your Communist "Utopias"! That isn't an accident.

 

[Jaxson]

No, child molesting democrats.

So you need guns because of child molesters? Is that your final answer, lol?