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The obvious answer is to agree that secularists should have abortion on demand, but maintain and reinforce Christian principles that Christians should have babies.
This is one of the reasons that islam is growing in Europe, they do not limit their families and have twice as many children, if not more, than the secularists of the nations that host them. It's also the reason why hispanics are such a fast growing population here. They have more babies.
It's a simple resolution. Allow the secularists to kill themselves off.
Your right, the media can't wait to ask us about abortion, and then Reps look like a deer in the headlights. So we talk about it, trying not to anger the hard right that don't want abortion of any kind. Abortion is not going to be made illegal in the US so we need to close that door and move on. Guy was nice enough to provide this link on the GOP platform, Renewing American Values - GOP
No mention of abortion. Reps need to be out in front of this issue, we should be grabbing reporters saying hey I want to talk to you about reproductive rights. If we keep trying to avoid it, then we just suck. If we don't win elections and hold office, we don't have a say about this or anything else, the economy, education, and so on. We don't need to embrace abortion wholeheartedly, but if we want to limit abortions what's our plan? Do Reps want to help a pregnant woman with her decision, will they respect it?
See, you just did it again.
The far right is NOT against abortion of any kind. That's a lie, and you're repeating it. Even the far right is okay with abortion for medical reasons...when the mother's life is in danger.
So you say, I don't see anything in writing so I am free to make up things just like you.
So? Is that the Republican platform?
Nope.
Shall I dig up crazy bullshit that is spouted by leftists and pretend that it is the stance of the Dem Party?
Bullshit.
So? Is that the Republican platform?
Nope.
Shall I dig up crazy bullshit that is spouted by leftists and pretend that it is the stance of the Dem Party?
"Mr. President, I just need to restate, we have quoted physician after physician, obstetrician after obstetrician, pro-life, pro-choice, people who have performed abortionsthis is not Rick Santorum or James Inhofe or Mike DeWine or Bob Smiththese are physicians, obstetricians, who are saying that this procedure is never, never, never medically necessary to save the health or life of the mother. Never. Never. -Rick Santorum
"Mr. President, I just need to restate, we have quoted physician after physician, obstetrician after obstetrician, pro-life, pro-choice, people who have performed abortionsthis is not Rick Santorum or James Inhofe or Mike DeWine or Bob Smiththese are physicians, obstetricians, who are saying that this procedure is never, never, never medically necessary to save the health or life of the mother. Never. Never. -Rick Santorum
So when is it medically necessary to save the health or life of the mother?
After it has died? In which case, it isn't an abortion....
When IS an abortion medically necessary?
A fetus is not the moral equivalent of a 6-month old child.
To you. Many people disagree.
So I'm asking you what condition makes an abortion medically necessary.
See, you just did it again.
The far right is NOT against abortion of any kind. That's a lie, and you're repeating it. Even the far right is okay with abortion for medical reasons...when the mother's life is in danger.
So you say, I don't see anything in writing so I am free to make up things just like you.
That would make you a progressive, which I rather suspect you are anyway. It's the old "when did you stop beating your wife" conundrum. The Republican platform doesn't specifically outline when abortion should be legal, just affirms the sanctity of life (which would of course include the mother) so you take that as "no abortion ever for any reason".
Makes perfect sense if you're a schizophrenic.
Abortion is a losing issue on a national level for Reps. It's trying to impose moral values on a majority that doesn't want it. It's seeking a political remedy for what is considered a religious issue. 50% of Catholics voted for Obama. Reps seem to be all over the board on the issue while trying to avoid the subject. I think we need a clear, this is what we stand for, message. There are over 1 million abortions in the US every year. We are not outlawing abortion we are moving forward with government sponsored abortion. There is no magic wand to stop abortion, why not use tactics that have a chance of success.
My position on abortion will not change...
Success has nothing to do with it...
Your position may not change but the laws and the country are changing everyday. I am talking about having some input on that change or continuing to lose elections and becoming irrelevant. We need a comprehensive, well reasoned position on abortion that Americans will support. Success has everything to do with what will happen.
