Can someone explain what has happened to the GOP?

[Rouge Rover]

I think the RINOs are the real republicans. The GOP has never been what many of their voters think it is.

 

[Rustic]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

I've told you for a long time there is no such thing as a RINO only people that republicans disagree with at the time. They are a knee jerk party who puts more into tough talking and show than substance. I think Bush played it that way great....except people started to believe the show.

Now we have Trump, a literal rich kid who simply says hes a (Maverick, Outsidered, Rebel) Anti Establishment enough with a straight face and all he has to do to strengthen himself is to blame an enemy to create support. Insert Press and Media here. Now maybe my explanation isnt considered calm or you will call it partisan to move on and ignore it....Ironically its the same thing that is happening now. You've been taught that everyone is wrong or partisan or hates your face instead of them might actually having a point.

So now the republicans are being yelled down by their own. It was inevitable. Its like Frankenstein's monster

Ain't it great what is happening to the GOP and its career politicians??

 

[Rustic]

I think the RINOs are the real republicans. The GOP has never been what many of their voters think it is.

...ya, career politicians = spineless

 

[Care4all]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

This is what happens when you no-longer represent your constituency. When you've sold out to special interests and rich donors.

So you nominate one of the rich donors? It would be like you're pissed at your CEO for not coming out with a new product in 20 years then promoting the head of new product development to the job of CEO because he's funny.

I think you have missed the point. Trump was one of those donors who expected the politicians to perform for him. He knows the game and used it to his advantage. He is quite honest about it, isn't he?

So, if he wins the race and becomes president, the game in the White House stops. He doesn't have the wealthy donors who are expecting him to act for their agenda, he's working for the agenda of all the people. I don't think many candidates can say that. Even Bernie who I think is basically honest will have favors to give and play the game.

But, unless you also change your senators and congress critters, who are actually the people that caused this awakening, what changes, even with Trump or Sanders?

Is there an organized movement to push out the establishment in Congress? Or, will it be the same ole same ole?

 

[ClosedCaption]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

I've told you for a long time there is no such thing as a RINO only people that republicans disagree with at the time. They are a knee jerk party who puts more into tough talking and show than substance. I think Bush played it that way great....except people started to believe the show.

Now we have Trump, a literal rich kid who simply says hes a (Maverick, Outsidered, Rebel) Anti Establishment enough with a straight face and all he has to do to strengthen himself is to blame an enemy to create support. Insert Press and Media here. Now maybe my explanation isnt considered calm or you will call it partisan to move on and ignore it....Ironically its the same thing that is happening now. You've been taught that everyone is wrong or partisan or hates your face instead of them might actually having a point.

So now the republicans are being yelled down by their own. It was inevitable. Its like Frankenstein's monster

Ain't it great what is happening to the GOP and its career politicians??

Nothing has happened. But it's interesting that the Rebel label seems to work on you guys every election cycle when Trump is anything BUT...but he says he is a whole bunch so it takes hold

 

[Rustic]

So from what I'm seeing here, it appears that Trump's supporters are confident he can (a) get things done because of his deal-making skills and the strength of his personality, and (b) get things done that will reflect a consistently conservative agenda.

Is that a fair overview?
.

What the country is desperate for is a President who is a proven success as a businessman. Someone who has actually fucking ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING in his life!
The country flirted with the 'First AA' President's Socialist agenda. How did THAT work out??????
Obama had ZERO experience in business, finance, geo-global politics, ME policy. Fucking NIL!
The fucking 'OJ jury' and White guilt soccer moms voted for a fucking 'community organizer' based SOLELY on the color of his skin. OH the sweet irony! The 'OJ jury' and the White guilt soccer moms ended up in worse circumstances under Obama's attempted Socialist wet-dream.
NEVER AGAIN!
This time the country must have a hard nosed 'geterdone! businessman as President.

That is why independs will go for trump no matter who he faces...

 

[rightwinger]

The downfall of the Republican Party can be traced to the origination of the term RINO

 

[Rustic]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

I've told you for a long time there is no such thing as a RINO only people that republicans disagree with at the time. They are a knee jerk party who puts more into tough talking and show than substance. I think Bush played it that way great....except people started to believe the show.

Now we have Trump, a literal rich kid who simply says hes a (Maverick, Outsidered, Rebel) Anti Establishment enough with a straight face and all he has to do to strengthen himself is to blame an enemy to create support. Insert Press and Media here. Now maybe my explanation isnt considered calm or you will call it partisan to move on and ignore it....Ironically its the same thing that is happening now. You've been taught that everyone is wrong or partisan or hates your face instead of them might actually having a point.

So now the republicans are being yelled down by their own. It was inevitable. Its like Frankenstein's monster

Ain't it great what is happening to the GOP and its career politicians??

Nothing has happened. But it's interesting that the Rebel label seems to work on you guys every election cycle when Trump is anything BUT...but he says he is a whole bunch so it takes hold

The sooner the GOP establishment is burned to the ground the better... Poach more Rinos

 

[Rustic]

The downfall of the Republican Party can be traced to the origination of the term RINO

Poach more Rinos

 

[ClosedCaption]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

I've told you for a long time there is no such thing as a RINO only people that republicans disagree with at the time. They are a knee jerk party who puts more into tough talking and show than substance. I think Bush played it that way great....except people started to believe the show.

Now we have Trump, a literal rich kid who simply says hes a (Maverick, Outsidered, Rebel) Anti Establishment enough with a straight face and all he has to do to strengthen himself is to blame an enemy to create support. Insert Press and Media here. Now maybe my explanation isnt considered calm or you will call it partisan to move on and ignore it....Ironically its the same thing that is happening now. You've been taught that everyone is wrong or partisan or hates your face instead of them might actually having a point.

So now the republicans are being yelled down by their own. It was inevitable. Its like Frankenstein's monster

Ain't it great what is happening to the GOP and its career politicians??

Nothing has happened. But it's interesting that the Rebel label seems to work on you guys every election cycle when Trump is anything BUT...but he says he is a whole bunch so it takes hold

The sooner the GOP establishment is burned to the ground the better... Poach more Rinos

That literally means nothing. Care to expound on that? Preferably with wishes and hopes that have no chance of ever happening. Those are the best GOP solutions, I really like those

 

[Rustic]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

I've told you for a long time there is no such thing as a RINO only people that republicans disagree with at the time. They are a knee jerk party who puts more into tough talking and show than substance. I think Bush played it that way great....except people started to believe the show.

Now we have Trump, a literal rich kid who simply says hes a (Maverick, Outsidered, Rebel) Anti Establishment enough with a straight face and all he has to do to strengthen himself is to blame an enemy to create support. Insert Press and Media here. Now maybe my explanation isnt considered calm or you will call it partisan to move on and ignore it....Ironically its the same thing that is happening now. You've been taught that everyone is wrong or partisan or hates your face instead of them might actually having a point.

So now the republicans are being yelled down by their own. It was inevitable. Its like Frankenstein's monster

Ain't it great what is happening to the GOP and its career politicians??

Nothing has happened. But it's interesting that the Rebel label seems to work on you guys every election cycle when Trump is anything BUT...but he says he is a whole bunch so it takes hold

The sooner the GOP establishment is burned to the ground the better... Poach more Rinos

That literally means nothing. Care to expound on that? Preferably with wishes and hopes that have no chance of ever happening. Those are the best GOP solutions, I really like those

It means career politicians of never been good for the country... The country and world is on fire.

 

[dannyboys]

It was hijacked by the Nazi element within it. Today's Republican Party really does resemble the Nazi Party. All the hate and disdain for the least fortunate among us. And the lunatic obsession with starting more wars.

It all started when the Neocons seized control. They're very dangerous people with a Nazi mentality. They want our poor to just die, or even have them locked away in cages. They want them disappeared. And they desperately want to start WWIII. I can't call myself a Republican at this point.

Total bullshit lie about the Nazi Party!
IN FACT! The National Socialist Party was duly elected by the people of Germany over many elections with the NS Party gaining seats in each election until they were the ruling party. Hitler's party did not "hijack" the Government.The German people wanted what Hitler was offering.
Go read a fucking book asshole!

 

[Jackson]

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

This is what happens when you no-longer represent your constituency. When you've sold out to special interests and rich donors.

So you nominate one of the rich donors? It would be like you're pissed at your CEO for not coming out with a new product in 20 years then promoting the head of new product development to the job of CEO because he's funny.

I think you have missed the point. Trump was one of those donors who expected the politicians to perform for him. He knows the game and used it to his advantage. He is quite honest about it, isn't he?

So, if he wins the race and becomes president, the game in the White House stops. He doesn't have the wealthy donors who are expecting him to act for their agenda, he's working for the agenda of all the people. I don't think many candidates can say that. Even Bernie who I think is basically honest will have favors to give and play the game.

But, unless you also change your senators and congress critters, who are actually the people that caused this awakening, what changes, even with Trump or Sanders?

Is there an organized movement to push out the establishment in Congress? Or, will it be the same ole same ole?

Good Question. There is such a fierce anti-establishment movement in the nation now, that I think it will take hold in congressional elections as well. I;m not sure anyone will not be beholden to supporters, but I plan to vote against all of my congressmen, who happen to be Republican. I'l go independents.

 

[paulitician]

It was hijacked by the Nazi element within it. Today's Republican Party really does resemble the Nazi Party. All the hate and disdain for the least fortunate among us. And the lunatic obsession with starting more wars.

It all started when the Neocons seized control. They're very dangerous people with a Nazi mentality. They want our poor to just die, or even have them locked away in cages. They want them disappeared. And they desperately want to start WWIII. I can't call myself a Republican at this point.

Total bullshit lie about the Nazi Party!
IN FACT! The National Socialist Party was duly elected by the people of Germany over many elections with the NS Party gaining seats in each election until they were the ruling party. Hitler's party did not "hijack" the Government.The German people wanted what Hitler was offering.
Go read a fucking book asshole!

Be careful what you wish for. The Republican Party is currently being run by Nazi madmen.

 

[Care4all]

Also, for the first time in years, seeing the republican voters not giving a hoot about supposed family values....abortion, sanctity of marriage, gays, higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, tariffs, free trade, war drums, etc like they usually do, while screwing themselves, is sort of refreshing.

 

[dannyboys]

Also, for the first time in years, seeing the republican voters not giving a hoot about supposed family values....abortion, sanctity of marriage, gays, higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, tariffs, free trade, war drums, etc like they usually do, while screwing themselves, is sort of refreshing.

Breaking News!
Just seen! Four 18 wheelers arrived at the DNC headquarters. Each truck unloaded sixty pallets of 'Depends'. Not to be opened until election night!

 

[Mac1958]

Sure...and I spend hours replying to Bernie threads telling the Bernie supporters how stupid they are. /sarcasm

You aren't fooling anyone...but keep trying. I wouldn't admit it either.

Are there Bernie threads on the board???

Sure...and I spend hours replying to Bernie threads telling the Bernie supporters how stupid they are. /sarcasm

You aren't fooling anyone...but keep trying. I wouldn't admit it either.

Are there Bernie threads on the board???

A few. Timmy, Jim52 and Billy000 have OPed a couple.

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

How can you give an honest answer without being 'partisan'? I'm a little confused by this issue.

To me, adherence to a partisan ideology tends to distort perceptions, and therefore analysis.

Some partisans are able to step back from their ideology and see the big picture without distortion.

I've seen some of that on this thread.
.

Mac, here is probably the real answer, although it may not make you happy!

Should we believe MOST of what our politicians say? How about 1/2? Then think beack to the last few/couple of midterm elections, and what did the GOP run on to get elected?

You see, we are all adults, so if they thought some of it was ok, then tell us. If they could not stop or reverse the course of the country with what we gave them in those races, then tell us.

How much of the constitution are we all privy to, and the number 1 question is......should they have been able to with the power of the purse, and following the same senate voting rules Harry Reid did when the Democrats held the majority, after we listened to them, and gave them what they asked for?

So you see, the people in power have created the "Trump desire," not Trump himself. Had they at least tried to follow through, and a voting trick was pulled to derail their governance, then this would be a whole different debate we are having.

Obama is exerting pressure on policy, that either he is not supposed to have, that the GOP says he does not have, and yet, they do nothing! What good is us voting for change in congress, if they run on stopping the change, then do not even try to? And this has been going on how many cycles now, 3? And they have held both houses of congress since January of 15!

To not understand why the GOP denizens are pissed means that someone actually believes that ALL these people we sent to Washington, did what they said they would do.

Again, what has happened to the GOP was inflicted by its leaders, NOT the rank and file. Their arrogance has given the establishment candidates a rough road to hoe. People are proclaiming how we tried it "their" way, and they did NOTHING, when they had the power in their hands.

So the most obvious question than is------>why should we believe what they say now? We gave them a chance like "good little GOPers," believed in the issues they ran on, and all they did is either show that "they are afraid of Obama," or that "congress is useless." If the latter is the case, why would we put one of them in charge to screw us again?

What is the old saying, "screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me!" If we allow them to keep screwing us, we are certainly dumber than the Democrats, because they keep getting their agenda put in, because we allow the establishment to run losers and liars against them, and think we have found a winner! And when we do elect one of their rinos, we wonder why the house falls down!

Remember our heroes, lol.

1. Bush senior, read my lips.

2. Dole, a sour pineapple for sure.

3. Mcain, I want to engage in every war imaginable, then wonder why I lost the election.

4. GW, I fought the Democrats on Fannie and Freddie, let them win the debate, and when the whole house came down I got the blame. Brilliant rino strategy for the rest of our guys him. (but thnx for your service during 9/11, few Presidents could have done better)

5. Romney..........kicked Obama's ass in 1st debate, laid down and died because he thought he had sewn up. Creator of Obamacare formerly known as Romneycare, so could not attack the 1 issue that at the time, Americans were must concerned about.

6. And let us not forget who/whom the RINOs really wanted to put up this time around, JEBSTER! A man who can't form a complete sentence without fumbling over his own words, son of a President who couldn't get re-elected against an Arkansas governor, and brother to the President who couldn't defeat the Democrats on Fannie, then had to watch as we melted down!

Why so much Trump/Cruz? I think I explained it all-)

Actually, I think the reasoning is becoming more clear to me as I'm asking for specifics here.

The two issues that remain for me are (1) I don't think there's any way of knowing that he would actually stick to conservative principles as many conservatives seem to believe he would, and (2) his wild, over-the-top behavior makes me question his judgement. I get that many are fed up with DC, and I include myself in that, but this is one lousy messenger.

But again, I think I understand this more. Thanks for the input.
.

 

[Jackson]

Sure...and I spend hours replying to Bernie threads telling the Bernie supporters how stupid they are. /sarcasm

You aren't fooling anyone...but keep trying. I wouldn't admit it either.

Are there Bernie threads on the board???

Sure...and I spend hours replying to Bernie threads telling the Bernie supporters how stupid they are. /sarcasm

You aren't fooling anyone...but keep trying. I wouldn't admit it either.

Are there Bernie threads on the board???

A few. Timmy, Jim52 and Billy000 have OPed a couple.

And maybe explain it without the standard hyperbole and partisan BS. Just some honest, solid analysis. Or maybe provide a link to a piece that someone has written that calmly and reasonably explains it.

I think this "Fox News is the enemy" thing is the final straw with me. I'm now completely lost, and I feel like Sandra Bullock in Gravity, floating away from reality with no way to get back.

To wit:

• The aforementioned darling news network is, overnight, the target of at least as much derision as MSNBC
  
• A bombastic New Yorker who is clearly not a conservative is running away with the nomination
• That same candidate can literally say the most ridiculous things and it only makes his support stronger
  
• Suddenly, nationalism & populism clearly have more energy in the party than "conservative values"
• A nihilistic, "I don't care, just blow the whole thing up" attitude seems to completely permeate the party
  
• The slightest nod toward legislative cooperation is simply no longer allowed in public discourse
• The Establishment, whatever that is, appears to be more hated than any Democrat

It's like half the party has just snapped.

Exactly what is the goal here? And does anyone care if this inter-party schism is healed?
.

How can you give an honest answer without being 'partisan'? I'm a little confused by this issue.

To me, adherence to a partisan ideology tends to distort perceptions, and therefore analysis.

Some partisans are able to step back from their ideology and see the big picture without distortion.

I've seen some of that on this thread.
.

Mac, here is probably the real answer, although it may not make you happy!

Should we believe MOST of what our politicians say? How about 1/2? Then think beack to the last few/couple of midterm elections, and what did the GOP run on to get elected?

You see, we are all adults, so if they thought some of it was ok, then tell us. If they could not stop or reverse the course of the country with what we gave them in those races, then tell us.

How much of the constitution are we all privy to, and the number 1 question is......should they have been able to with the power of the purse, and following the same senate voting rules Harry Reid did when the Democrats held the majority, after we listened to them, and gave them what they asked for?

So you see, the people in power have created the "Trump desire," not Trump himself. Had they at least tried to follow through, and a voting trick was pulled to derail their governance, then this would be a whole different debate we are having.

Obama is exerting pressure on policy, that either he is not supposed to have, that the GOP says he does not have, and yet, they do nothing! What good is us voting for change in congress, if they run on stopping the change, then do not even try to? And this has been going on how many cycles now, 3? And they have held both houses of congress since January of 15!

To not understand why the GOP denizens are pissed means that someone actually believes that ALL these people we sent to Washington, did what they said they would do.

Again, what has happened to the GOP was inflicted by its leaders, NOT the rank and file. Their arrogance has given the establishment candidates a rough road to hoe. People are proclaiming how we tried it "their" way, and they did NOTHING, when they had the power in their hands.

So the most obvious question than is------>why should we believe what they say now? We gave them a chance like "good little GOPers," believed in the issues they ran on, and all they did is either show that "they are afraid of Obama," or that "congress is useless." If the latter is the case, why would we put one of them in charge to screw us again?

What is the old saying, "screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me!" If we allow them to keep screwing us, we are certainly dumber than the Democrats, because they keep getting their agenda put in, because we allow the establishment to run losers and liars against them, and think we have found a winner! And when we do elect one of their rinos, we wonder why the house falls down!

Remember our heroes, lol.

1. Bush senior, read my lips.

2. Dole, a sour pineapple for sure.

3. Mcain, I want to engage in every war imaginable, then wonder why I lost the election.

4. GW, I fought the Democrats on Fannie and Freddie, let them win the debate, and when the whole house came down I got the blame. Brilliant rino strategy for the rest of our guys him. (but thnx for your service during 9/11, few Presidents could have done better)

5. Romney..........kicked Obama's ass in 1st debate, laid down and died because he thought he had sewn up. Creator of Obamacare formerly known as Romneycare, so could not attack the 1 issue that at the time, Americans were must concerned about.

6. And let us not forget who/whom the RINOs really wanted to put up this time around, JEBSTER! A man who can't form a complete sentence without fumbling over his own words, son of a President who couldn't get re-elected against an Arkansas governor, and brother to the President who couldn't defeat the Democrats on Fannie, then had to watch as we melted down!

Why so much Trump/Cruz? I think I explained it all-)

Actually, I think the reasoning is becoming more clear to me as I'm asking for specifics here.

The two issues that remain for me are (1) I don't think there's any way of knowing that he would actually stick to conservative principles as many conservatives seem to believe he would, and (2) his wild, over-the-top behavior makes me question his judgement. I get that many are fed up with DC, and I include myself in that, but this is one lousy messenger.

But again, I think I understand this more. Thanks for the input.
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That is a reasonable comment and I felt like that myself.

 

[Care4all]

The GOP has been neutered long ago by career politicians, known as Rinos today....

But Trump is the ultimate Northeast RINO.....he's who you all have pushed out of congress....the social moderate, isn't he???

 

[paulitician]

You had a rogue Nazi element within the Party seize control. They were mainly financed and supported by the religious extremist Conservatives. It's an eery parallel to the rise of the Nazis in Germany.

They hate the poor and least fortunate among us. They also hate minorities. And they're vicious Warmongers. They're madmen. The Nazis forced me out. Until i see the Neocons go, i won't be a member of the Party.