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there can be no separation of church and state in islamic countries
Depends on various things, but Islam is a way of life and it depends what kind of legislation. Muslims don't want a secular society. At least is don't for them. It doesn't work over there and I think it's wrong. But it works here. Due to vast differences and history. Yes I can practice my religion here a hundred percent. But many factors are to be considered. Not just practice of faith.
So basically Islam is more than a religion it is a way of life and even political in many instances.
Depends what you mean by political, it's inspiring. I think the word you're looking for is social.
Jesus loves you, Bik. I'm still praying for you too. - Jeremiah
Seriously... talk about a bik with a short fuse, eh? lol.....
Seriously without the unity of Mosque and State, Islam would become a dinosaur overnight. No one WANTS to live under Sharia law but neither will they say this because it could get them killed.
It is the religious leaders who are calling the shots inside Iran. I fully expect Achminijad to be removed once they install the new Syrian leader ( who has no use for Iran and prefers the Turks ) and give Hizbollah their walking papers.. It is possible the religious leaders will get kicked to the curb as well if they want to spin it they can always say they were liberating the Iranian youth ( 70% under age 35 I believe ) and its part of the "arab spring cleaning"...
So you are saying without Islamic law being legislated nobody would want Sharia?
You'd have your usual power hungry imams, mullahs in favor of Sharia, muslim men who'd gain from it but it would be a hard life for Muslim women, non muslims, Jews, Christians, life would be a literal hell under sharia law. We have Sharia law happening in our own courtrooms here in America, you know. They had to make a new law called American Law for American Courtrooms to counteract it. CAIR ( council of american islamic relations ) are fighting it full force right now. - Jeremiah
there can be no separation of church and state in islamic countries
Right because Islam depends on the union to get away with stoning women for adultery, cutting off hands and feet for stealing, burning alive homosexuals, etc. Otherwise they have to do their honor killings, executions, under the radar as they are doing right now in Canada.
I do not agree that religion is separate from state in 'most' western countries. Many have 'Christian Democrat' or 'Christian Socialist' parties. That isn't separation. Even in France, which is very 'laic', the state pays for monuments like Notre Dame de Paris, when the Roman Church still holds mass in it. No other religion holds services there. What's that?
I don't see that a society that is truly Islamic could be separate from religion in its government. That religion requires too much of a mixture of its view of morality with what is demanded as the social norm.
The concept of separation is new in human history, very interesting and one of the best attributes of American democracy (oops, sorry, 'Republic'; don't want to get into trouble with any extremists).
Most predominantly Christian countries have a separation between Church and state, do you think Muslim countries will get to the point where there is a separation between Mosque and state? do they want to? thoughts?
there can be no separation of church and state in islamic countries
Right because Islam depends on the union to get away with stoning women for adultery, cutting off hands and feet for stealing, burning alive homosexuals, etc. Otherwise they have to do their honor killings, executions, under the radar as they are doing right now in Canada.
You're not entirely accurate, although Christians are supposed to follow Mosaic Law which is the same exact thing. Sharia Law is largely derived from Mosaic Law. But times thousands of years ago were different. Today it would be applied differently if it actually was. But it is God's Law. If you believe that God told Moses to follow Mosaic Law then I don't get why you are so objected to it. It seems you don't want to follow God.
do you think Muslim countries will get to the point where there is a separation between Mosque and state?
Lighten up, Bik. He merely asked a question. No reason to bite his head off.
Many Muslim nations are under Sharia law and I expect that will increase in the future. As such they would be called a theocracy.
The idea of separation of church and state was to keep the Government out of church business, not the other way around. Thanks. - Jeremiah
Seriously... talk about a bik with a short fuse, eh? lol.....
Seriously without the unity of Mosque and State, Islam would become a dinosaur overnight. No one WANTS to live under Sharia law but neither will they say this because it could get them killed.
It is the religious leaders who are calling the shots inside Iran. I fully expect Achminijad to be removed once they install the new Syrian leader ( who has no use for Iran and prefers the Turks ) and give Hizbollah their walking papers.. It is possible the religious leaders will get kicked to the curb as well if they want to spin it they can always say they were liberating the Iranian youth ( 70% under age 35 I believe ) and its part of the "arab spring cleaning"...
You'd have your usual power hungry imams, mullahs in favor of Sharia, muslim men who'd gain from it but it would be a hard life for Muslim women, non muslims, Jews, Christians, life would be a literal hell under sharia law. We have Sharia law happening in our own courtrooms here in America, you know. They had to make a new law called American Law for American Courtrooms to counteract it. CAIR ( council of american islamic relations ) are fighting it full force right now. - Jeremiah
Right because Islam depends on the union to get away with stoning women for adultery, cutting off hands and feet for stealing, burning alive homosexuals, etc. Otherwise they have to do their honor killings, executions, under the radar as they are doing right now in Canada.
Actually the word he is looking for is ------> religous - politico CANCER - THAT is what Islam is. To be clear. - Jeremiah
No. I'm entirely accurate. It's you who has it wrong. You see those are the standard punishments under sharia law no matter what nation you happen to be in. Furthermore, the followers of Islam continue to practice these very same teachings today whereas Christians follow new Testament teaching and not Mosaic law given at a certain time for a certain people which is clearly undertstood as not for today - it is historical where as your own religion has never de -activated from mode of jihad ( somewhere upon the earth ) that will not desist until the world is dominated by Islam.
So whereas we do follow God and the One True God , - mind you - it is us who wonder why you and yours do not want to follow God and prefer to follow the pre islamic rituals god / idolatry worship as practiced even prior to 570 a.d. ( Muhammads birth ) and continuing along to the very day practicing same rituals of idolaters of biblical times. Even praying toward the east as the Holy bible says idolaters pray in that direction. I know exactly what I am speaking of perhaps it is you, Bik, who need to listen to what I'm saying here. -Jeremiah
Right because Islam depends on the union to get away with stoning women for adultery, cutting off hands and feet for stealing, burning alive homosexuals, etc. Otherwise they have to do their honor killings, executions, under the radar as they are doing right now in Canada.
You're not entirely accurate, although Christians are supposed to follow Mosaic Law which is the same exact thing. Sharia Law is largely derived from Mosaic Law. But times thousands of years ago were different. Today it would be applied differently if it actually was. But it is God's Law. If you believe that God told Moses to follow Mosaic Law then I don't get why you are so objected to it. It seems you don't want to follow God.
No. I'm entirely accurate. It's you who has it wrong. You see those are the standard punishments under sharia law no matter what nation you happen to be in. Furthermore, the followers of Islam continue to practice these very same teachings today whereas Christians follow new Testament teaching and not Mosaic law given at a certain time for a certain people which is clearly undertstood as not for today - it is historical where as your own religion has never de -activated from mode of jihad ( somewhere upon the earth ) that will not desist until the world is dominated by Islam.
So whereas we do follow God and the One True God , - mind you - it is us who wonder why you and yours do not want to follow God and prefer to follow the pre islamic rituals god / idolatry worship as practiced even prior to 570 a.d. ( Muhammads birth ) and continuing along to the very day practicing same rituals of idolaters of biblical times. Even praying toward the east as the Holy bible says idolaters pray in that direction. I know exactly what I am speaking of perhaps it is you, Bik, who need to listen to what I'm saying here.
-Jeremiah
Even the supposedly moderate Muslim countries like Turkey have Islamic law as well, I was just wondering if this could change later down the line, I didn't start this thread to insult Muslims.
It seems like it is changing but for the worse, eventually it will always come back to Islam. Because one reason, the Arabs always have corruption and capitalist society when their isn't Islam. Islam is anti capitalist and anti corruption.
Its possible to follow Islam without it being legislated though right? we don't have Islamic law here but theres nobody stopping you from living an Islamic life 24/7, thats the part I don't get.
You're not entirely accurate, although Christians are supposed to follow Mosaic Law which is the same exact thing. Sharia Law is largely derived from Mosaic Law. But times thousands of years ago were different. Today it would be applied differently if it actually was. But it is God's Law. If you believe that God told Moses to follow Mosaic Law then I don't get why you are so objected to it. It seems you don't want to follow God.
No. I'm entirely accurate. It's you who has it wrong. You see those are the standard punishments under sharia law no matter what nation you happen to be in. Furthermore, the followers of Islam continue to practice these very same teachings today whereas Christians follow new Testament teaching and not Mosaic law given at a certain time for a certain people which is clearly undertstood as not for today - it is historical where as your own religion has never de -activated from mode of jihad ( somewhere upon the earth ) that will not desist until the world is dominated by Islam.
So whereas we do follow God and the One True God , - mind you - it is us who wonder why you and yours do not want to follow God and prefer to follow the pre islamic rituals god / idolatry worship as practiced even prior to 570 a.d. ( Muhammads birth ) and continuing along to the very day practicing same rituals of idolaters of biblical times. Even praying toward the east as the Holy bible says idolaters pray in that direction. I know exactly what I am speaking of perhaps it is you, Bik, who need to listen to what I'm saying here.
-Jeremiah
No it isn't. And you're the reason Christianity is most commonly attacked here in the US. What you say isn't a light unto all of us. You need to keep your personal feelings just a little bit towards yourself. And you can claim to follow the New Testament all you want which still has very similar content and Jesus himself was appointed to make some judgements on punishments.
And show us where the Holy Bible says so, but Muslims pray towards the Kaaba and they can be either facing West, North, South or East depending where they are in the globe.
It seems like it is changing but for the worse, eventually it will always come back to Islam. Because one reason, the Arabs always have corruption and capitalist society when their isn't Islam. Islam is anti capitalist and anti corruption.
Its possible to follow Islam without it being legislated though right? we don't have Islamic law here but theres nobody stopping you from living an Islamic life 24/7, thats the part I don't get.
HG, this thread is full of knee jerk reactions. Anytime the topic comes up there are those who are going to jump to the defense of islam, regardless. But, not just islam. Think Tibet. Most people believe that Tibet should be a theocracy 'because the people want it.' Well I'm sure there must be one there who doesn't. In that case someone's rights are violated if it is a theocracy. There are plenty of Christians and Jews in islamic countries and those theocracies are violating their rights. Democracy and freedom are about the rights of all. But you will notice that there are those who only consider the rights of minorities when THEY are part of the minority. The rest of the time it's majority rule. They see muslims as a beleaguered minority who have had bombs bursting on their heads for the full time there has been Christians and therefore they can do no wrong.
I personally think that the middle east is a lost cause when it comes to human rights. We need to help those Jews and Christians who want freedom to get out and leave the place to implode.
Most predominantly Christian countries have a separation between Church and state, do you think Muslim countries will get to the point where there is a separation between Mosque and state? do they want to? thoughts?
