Can we agree that the North started the war?

[Hossfly]

 

[Muhammed]

I addressed that. You stated a bland, vague, talking point, but do you know anything about what actually happened?

South Carolina succeeded from what was then the US. They were foreign territory. Lincoln advanced his army to fortify a foreign territory with military arms at Fort Sumpter.



Lincoln and the North acted like snowflake victims and claimed they were just innocent passer-byers stockpiling a fort with munitions, rifles, etc.

Lincoln wanted the war, he provoked the war, and he committed an act of war, then blamed the south for retaliating.

You are simply wrong. South Carolina had officially ceded Fort Sumpter to the US government back in 1836, decades before the war started.

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

The very fact that you demand proof of something that is well known means you are a quack on history.

Things that have been "well known" are constantly proven wrong these days...

like COVID numbers, Hunter Biden laptops, unarmed death rates of blacks at the hands of cops, etc.

All have been easily exposed by numbers as fake narratives by the Democrats/leftist MSM/big tech.

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

You are simply wrong. South Carolina had officially ceded Fort Sumpter to the US government back in 1836, decades before the war started.

Why do you spread disinformation?

The Federal government formally took possession of Fort Sumter on February 22, 1865.

Fort Sumter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Before that, the fort was owned by Carolina and the Confederacy. I reported you for disinformation and explained that fort sumter was occupied by the confedracy until 1865 when the north conquered it.

if there were no double standards, youtube and google would suspend your account.

 

[Muhammed]

Why do you spread disinformation?

The Federal government formally took possession of Fort Sumter on February 22, 1865.

Fort Sumter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Before that, the fort was owned by Carolina and the Confederacy.

if there were no double standards, youtube and google would suspend your account.

From your own link:

on December 17, 1836, South Carolina officially ceded all "right, title and, claim" to the site of Fort Sumter to the United States

 

[Sunsettommy]

Things that have been "well known" are constantly proven wrong these days...

like COVID numbers, Hunter Biden laptops, unarmed death rates of blacks at the hands of cops, etc.

All have been easily exposed by numbers as fake narratives by the Democrats/leftist MSM/big tech.

I notice you didn't counter anything I posted which means you are still batting zero.

You high on drugs?

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

From your own link:

on December 17, 1836, South Carolina officially ceded all "right, title and, claim" to the site of Fort Sumter to the United States

You'll have to walk me throw how a federal goverment can "take possession" of something in 1865 that they already owned.

 

[Colin norris]

Listen, I know many like to troll in today's society/politics and completely demonize the south as nothing but a bunch of immoral slave holders while siding with a supposed moral and superior north.

Meanwhile, modern leftists often make this difference while asserting that the northerners like Lincoln, who owned slaves, are the epitome of evil in all of mankind... but, enough of discrediting moronic leftists (which isn't to be confused with a classic American liberal, who is viewed as extremely Conservative by today's standards)....

But, let's get to history...

A few things that are ignored or evaded by commonists who just except baseline, vague, textbook American history on the Civil war include...
1. Both northerners and southerners owned slaves at the time of the war, and most southerners didn't own slaves.
2. Both north and south prominent leaders questioned the morality of slavery
3. Slavery as far as the value of a human wasnt the central issue of the war, economics and federal vs. states rights was.
4. The North wanted to bully many non-slavery-related issues onto the south and created a northern/southern block politically
5. Lincoln owned slaves, acted against Congress criminally, and even attacked his own populace in Maryland.
6. Lincoln sent armed forces to stockade a Confederate (aka foreign) owned base.
7. It was not "illegal" to succeed from the union until states actually succeeded from the union, so those who succeeded broke no rules.

I can't see what your babbling about. It's history. Get over it.

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

I notice you didn't counter anything I posted which means you are still batting zero.

You high on drugs?

You didn't present any points to counter to. What a dumb way to debate. I love the topic, but you have to give a point for a response. Most 2nd graders realize this concept.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Listen, I know many like to troll in today's society/politics and completely demonize the south as nothing but a bunch of immoral slave holders while siding with a supposed moral and superior north.

Meanwhile, modern leftists often make this difference while asserting that the northerners like Lincoln, who owned slaves, are the epitome of evil in all of mankind... but, enough of discrediting moronic leftists (which isn't to be confused with a classic American liberal, who is viewed as extremely Conservative by today's standards)....

But, let's get to history...

A few things that are ignored or evaded by commonists who just except baseline, vague, textbook American history on the Civil war include...
1. Both northerners and southerners owned slaves at the time of the war, and most southerners didn't own slaves.
2. Both north and south prominent leaders questioned the morality of slavery
3. Slavery as far as the value of a human wasnt the central issue of the war, economics and federal vs. states rights was.
4. The North wanted to bully many non-slavery-related issues onto the south and created a northern/southern block politically
5. Lincoln owned slaves, acted against Congress criminally, and even attacked his own populace in Maryland.
6. Lincoln sent armed forces to stockade a Confederate (aka foreign) owned base.
7. It was not "illegal" to succeed from the union until states actually succeeded from the union, so those who succeeded broke no rules.

You want discussion by first starting with insults.... er....

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

I can't see what your babbling about. It's history. Get over it.

Ah yes, the "if I disagree with it, the person is 'babbling" defense.

So convincing to the common individual.

what are you BABBLING about Colin

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

You want discussion by first starting with insults.... er....

insults? who did I insult? besides people who call Lincoln the "epimtome of evil", as I stated.

Are you offended that I would call those who label Lincoln as the "epitome of evil" as moronic?

 

[Colin norris]

Ah yes, the "if I disagree with it, the person is 'babbling" defense.

So convincing to the common individual.

what are you BABBLING about Colin

I made my case and youve just confirmed it. Babbling??

 

[Sunsettommy]

Why do you spread disinformation?

The Federal government formally took possession of Fort Sumter on February 22, 1865.

Fort Sumter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Before that, the fort was owned by Carolina and the Confederacy. I reported you for disinformation and explained that fort sumter was occupied by the confedracy until 1865 when the north conquered it.

if there were no double standards, youtube and google would suspend your account.

From YOUR link you didn't read:

"On Saturday, April 13, the fort was surrendered and evacuated."

The North got it back because they occupied most of South Carolina by February 1865.

LINK

You are dreadfully ignorant of Civil War history.

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

I made my case and youve just confirmed it. Babbling??

You didn't even make a single point! LMAO Dude... are you serious?

 

[Muhammed]

You'll have to walk me throw how a federal goverment can "take possession" of something in 1865 that they already owned.

Figure it out yourself, moron.

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

From YOUR link you didn't read:

"On Saturday, April 13, the fort was surrendered and evacuated."

The North got it back because they occupied most of South Carolina by February 1865.

LINK

You are dreadfully ignorant of Civil War history.

Wait a sec. You said "from your own link".. and then linked a site I didn't link.. LMAO

I linked Wikipedia.

You linked 1865 February 17th

LMAO!!!!!!!!

Dude, you can't be this stupid!!!! How do you reply to someone's link with the wrong link??

 

[Sunsettommy]

You didn't present any points to counter to. What a dumb way to debate. I love the topic, but you have to give a point for a response. Most 2nd graders realize this concept.

Post 11 I posted based on links with excerpt which you never countered,

Mine Creek Battlefield

Lincoln attempts to send supplies​

Last Updated on Wed, 01 Dec 2021

Excerpt:

"Determined to avoid a bloody clash if possible, Lincoln notified South Carolina governor Francis Pickens (1805-1869) on April 8 of his plan to send ships carrying food and other supplies to Fort Sumter. Two days later, a small fleet of Union ships headed by Captain Gustavus Fox (1821-1883) set out for the fort from New York to deliver the provisions.

Upon learning of the Union plan to resupply Fort Sumter, Confederate president Jefferson Davis called his cabinet together to discuss their options. The letter that Pickens had received from Lincoln made it clear."

LINK

 

[Colin norris]

You didn't even make a single point! LMAO Dude... are you serious?

I don't have to make a point to respond to you. You did it for me.
There's nothing in the op we didn't know. What's your point dichead?

 

[The_Lyrical_Miracle]

Figure it out yourself, moron.

LMAO!!!!! So you're saying if my car is in my driveway, and someone comes and opens it and sits in it, I only "take posession" of it by an armed approach and capture of it? LMAO!!! Truly, the "victors" write the history books. I don't even live in the south, I live in f*cking Ohio, I'm just not an idiot.