Can we just stop with all the "Republicans hate Obama because he's black" bullshit

[TemplarKormac]

Oh, and let me remind you all that Obama voted FOR TARP and other Bush spending programs. So, instead of taking a stand against excess spending, he voted to let it continue. He became part of the problem. Also, a lot of key appropriations bills were being stonewalled by Democrats in Bush's last years in office, until Obama entered office in 2009. Obama then proceeded to push through an $830 billion stimulus bill that year, which consisted of mostly spending.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And, here are the last five budgets proposed by Obama using CBO estimations:

2009: $3.27 trillion

2010: $3.46 trillion

2011: $3.60 trillion

2012: $3.65 trillion

2013: $3.72 trillion

 

[TemplarKormac]

The facts about the growth of spending under Obama - The Washington Post

The facts about the growth of spending under Obama, Part 2 - The Washington Post

The facts about the growth of spending under Obama, Part 3 - The Washington Post

 

[Redfish]

The fiscal year does not end in January. You are a typical low information voter. The GOP own at least $14 trillion of the GOP national debt.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

LOL, no they don't. It took 42 presidents and roughly 230+ years to amass that much debt. It took Obama 5 years to accrue HALF of that amount.

Debt on September 30, 2009: $11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt as of today: $17,413,220,474,647.90

Moving it up 9 months does not change the fact that Obama has spent more money, and put us in more debt than Bush.

Current U.S. Federal Budget Deficit
How It Impacts the US Economy

For Fiscal Year 2014 (October 1, 2013 -September 30, 2014) the U.S. Federal budget deficit will be $280 billion. That's because U.S. government spending, budgeted at $3.318 trillion is higher than projected U.S. government revenue, only $3.034 trillion. This is the lowest deficit since the recession, and is tiny compared to the record budget deficit of $1.4 trillion set in FY 2009.

It's also lower than the President's budget, which projected a $744 billion deficit. The lower amount is because Congress cut small amounts of the discretionary budgets for most departments.

What Caused The Recent Massive Budget Deficits?:

Most people blame the deficits on the 2008 financial crisis. However, that's only half the real story. These huge deficits were a result of four factors, and only the first two were related to the recession.

First, the $787 billion economic stimulus package was launched by newly-elected President Obama in March 2009. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects to create jobs directly. This expansionary fiscal policy was needed to kick-start the economy out of recession, which it did in the second quarter of 2009.

Second, the recession reduced Federal income. As the economy tanked, so did tax revenues. Government income fell from its all-time record of $2.568 trillion in FY 2007 to $2.1 trillion in FY 2009. It still hadn't recovered by FY 2012, reaching only $2.45 trillion.

The third reason has more to do with the attacks on 9/11 than the recession. The War on Terror drove military spending to a pre-recession record of $671 billion in FY 2007. Despite declines in revenue from the recession, defense and security-related spending increased as follows:

FY 2008 - $686 billion.
FY 2009 - $808 billion.
FY 2010 - $851 billion.
FY 2011 - $847 billion.
FY 2012 - $810 billion.
FY 2013 - $780.7 billion.
FY 2014 - $793.2 billion.

The fourth reason is that mandatory spending has increased. Spending to pay benefits for Social Security, Medicare and other mandated programs has been more than $2 trillion a year since FY 2011. These payments consume most of the revenue in each year. They cannot be changed without an act of Congress. This is difficult to do politically, since any benefits that are cut will take money out of the pockets of current beneficiaries.(Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, FY 2014 Budget Summary Table S-12)

It is very easy to say - look ... Obama did it!

It is not as easy as that....

before you continue to make a fool of yourself please look up deficit and debt----they are not the same thing.

 

[Redfish]

The fiscal year does not end in January. You are a typical low information voter. The GOP own at least $14 trillion of the GOP national debt.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

LOL, no they don't. It took 42 presidents and roughly 230+ years to amass that much debt. It took Obama 5 years to accrue HALF of that amount.

Debt on September 30, 2009: $11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt as of today: $17,413,220,474,647.90

Moving it up 9 months does not change the fact that Obama has spent more money, and put us in more debt than Bush.

The president doesn't 'spend the money', that's absurd.

the president signs budget and appropriation bills. his signature authorizes the spending. 7 trillion in debt belongs to obama.

 

[Ava]

Republicans have opposed EVERY democrat president, staunchly even.


Claiming all this crap is race related just shows your inability to form a coherent argument to promote your positions.

It is still effective with lo-info voters, from what I can tell.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

LOL, no they don't. It took 42 presidents and roughly 230+ years to amass that much debt. It took Obama 5 years to accrue HALF of that amount.

Debt on September 30, 2009: $11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt as of today: $17,413,220,474,647.90

Moving it up 9 months does not change the fact that Obama has spent more money, and put us in more debt than Bush.

Current U.S. Federal Budget Deficit
How It Impacts the US Economy

For Fiscal Year 2014 (October 1, 2013 -September 30, 2014) the U.S. Federal budget deficit will be $280 billion. That's because U.S. government spending, budgeted at $3.318 trillion is higher than projected U.S. government revenue, only $3.034 trillion. This is the lowest deficit since the recession, and is tiny compared to the record budget deficit of $1.4 trillion set in FY 2009.

It's also lower than the President's budget, which projected a $744 billion deficit. The lower amount is because Congress cut small amounts of the discretionary budgets for most departments.

What Caused The Recent Massive Budget Deficits?:

Most people blame the deficits on the 2008 financial crisis. However, that's only half the real story. These huge deficits were a result of four factors, and only the first two were related to the recession.

First, the $787 billion economic stimulus package was launched by newly-elected President Obama in March 2009. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects to create jobs directly. This expansionary fiscal policy was needed to kick-start the economy out of recession, which it did in the second quarter of 2009.

Second, the recession reduced Federal income. As the economy tanked, so did tax revenues. Government income fell from its all-time record of $2.568 trillion in FY 2007 to $2.1 trillion in FY 2009. It still hadn't recovered by FY 2012, reaching only $2.45 trillion.

The third reason has more to do with the attacks on 9/11 than the recession. The War on Terror drove military spending to a pre-recession record of $671 billion in FY 2007. Despite declines in revenue from the recession, defense and security-related spending increased as follows:

FY 2008 - $686 billion.
FY 2009 - $808 billion.
FY 2010 - $851 billion.
FY 2011 - $847 billion.
FY 2012 - $810 billion.
FY 2013 - $780.7 billion.
FY 2014 - $793.2 billion.

The fourth reason is that mandatory spending has increased. Spending to pay benefits for Social Security, Medicare and other mandated programs has been more than $2 trillion a year since FY 2011. These payments consume most of the revenue in each year. They cannot be changed without an act of Congress. This is difficult to do politically, since any benefits that are cut will take money out of the pockets of current beneficiaries.(Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, FY 2014 Budget Summary Table S-12)

It is very easy to say - look ... Obama did it! oppinionoppinionoppinion

It is not as easy as that....

Okay, so Bush did it? You're kidding right? Bush poured the gas, Obama lit the match. Simple.

But wait!

The facts about the growth of spending under Obama, Part 3 - The Washington Post

I didn't bring Bush into this - nor did I imply in any way that it was "Bush's fault." We needed some way to fund the war - the war had multiple points of responsibility for who wanted it and at this juncture, assigning blame is unproductive.

By the same token Bush neither "poured the gas" and neither did Obama light it - that's an over-simplification that explains nothing.

You're kidding right? - why are you asking me that? I didn't so much offer my opinion, but instead simply reported where all the spending came from. Do you disagree? Lets see the numbers, then - I can't wait.


No, I'm not kidding; I'm offering up a very fair synopses of what I believe to be a very important issue.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

The fiscal year does not end in January. You are a typical low information voter. The GOP own at least $14 trillion of the GOP national debt.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2012

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

LOL, no they don't. It took 42 presidents and roughly 230+ years to amass that much debt. It took Obama 5 years to accrue HALF of that amount.

Debt on September 30, 2009: $11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt as of today: $17,413,220,474,647.90

Moving it up 9 months does not change the fact that Obama has spent more money, and put us in more debt than Bush.

Obama 'spends' about 250 billion a year on interest on the debt. That's every president's debt not just his.

The entire annual expenditure of the budgets of previous presidents did not even exceed 250 billion per year until 1974.

09 fiscal budget is not attributed to Obama - It was submitted by George W Bush and voted on by congress.

The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2009 began as a spending request submitted by President George W. Bush to the 110th Congress. The final resolution written and submitted by the 110th Congress to be forwarded to the President was approved by the House on June 5, 2008. The final spending bills for the budget were not signed into law until March 11, 2009 by President Barack Obama, nearly five and a half months after the fiscal year began.

I know ... I know ... Obama was supposed to veto the budget and re-submit his own. Problem is - that's not how our government works.

The president doesn't get to "make his own budget." If Obama would have vetoed it, we would have went forward WITHOUT a budget.
So, people who are somehow inferring that Obama makes the budget and can do whatever he wants, doesn't know Jack crap about Capitol Hill.

 

[NYcarbineer]

LOL, no they don't. It took 42 presidents and roughly 230+ years to amass that much debt. It took Obama 5 years to accrue HALF of that amount.

Debt on September 30, 2009: $11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt as of today: $17,413,220,474,647.90

Moving it up 9 months does not change the fact that Obama has spent more money, and put us in more debt than Bush.

The president doesn't 'spend the money', that's absurd.

the president signs budget and appropriation bills. his signature authorizes the spending. 7 trillion in debt belongs to obama.

Mandatory spending accounts for over 60% of the budget.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And, here are the last five budgets proposed by Obama using CBO estimations:

2009: $3.27 trillion

2010: $3.46 trillion

2011: $3.60 trillion

2012: $3.65 trillion

2013: $3.72 trillion

You should link to facts and figures that are not of your own invention.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

And, here are the last five budgets proposed by Obama using CBO estimations:

2009: $3.27 trillion

2010: $3.46 trillion

2011: $3.60 trillion

2012: $3.65 trillion

2013: $3.72 trillion

You should link to facts and figures that are not of your own invention.

 

[edthecynic]

And, here are the last five budgets proposed by Obama using CBO estimations:

2009: $3.27 trillion

2010: $3.46 trillion

2011: $3.60 trillion

2012: $3.65 trillion

2013: $3.72 trillion

Obama did not propose a FY 2009 budget!

Obama pulls back the curtain: 10-year budget plan - Feb. 26, 2009

Obama unveils first budget plan

Spending and tax outline proposes dramatic health care overhaul - vows to slash deficit, projected at $1.75 trillion in '09.



NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Obama on Thursday pulled back the curtain on his first detailed vision of the federal budget, revealing an ambitious plan to reform health care and shift tax burdens while vowing to slash the deficit over the long run.
Obama has said repeatedly that his first fiscal plan would have a two-pronged mission: to reduce the $1 trillion-plus deficit he inherited to $533 billion by 2013 and make big investments in the future.

 

[edthecynic]

LOL, no they don't. It took 42 presidents and roughly 230+ years to amass that much debt. It took Obama 5 years to accrue HALF of that amount.

Debt on September 30, 2009: $11,909,829,003,511.75

Debt as of today: $17,413,220,474,647.90

Moving it up 9 months does not change the fact that Obama has spent more money, and put us in more debt than Bush.

The president doesn't 'spend the money', that's absurd.

the president signs budget and appropriation bills. his signature authorizes the spending. 7 trillion in debt belongs to obama.

Obama did not sign bills accumulating $7T in debt. Less than $3T of the GOP national debt belongs to Obama and the other $14+T belongs to Reagan, Bush I and Bush II.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You blame Obama for that budget not being balanced? Most of the items in that budget would require legislation from Congress to be reduced.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You blame Obama for that budget not being balanced? Most of the items in that budget would require legislation from Congress to be reduced.

Are the rose tinted glasses the dnc passes out free of charge or did they make you pay for them?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Gramps, start with those on the Board who vote Republican and who do hate him because he is black.

There are some, maybe even a decent amount, of people on the board who don't like him because he's black, but most of the people on the board that don't like him, don't like him because of his politics, not skin color. You'd admit that if you weren't such a hack.

Republicans have opposed EVERY democrat president, staunchly even.

Has everyone forgotten the "vast rightwing conspiracy" Hillary propagated? Have you forgotten Clintons impeachment? Have you forgotten Limbaughs proclomation of America being "held hostage" from the beginning of Clintons term?
Unless I'm color blind Clinton is WHITE. The gop simply oppose the liberal agenda. Even when Clinton swung back towards the center he was still the target of the right.
Claiming all this crap is race related just shows your inability to form a coherent argument to promote your positions.

Well yeah.

They did close down the government under Carter, Clinton and Obama.

But for some reason Obama's race is mentioned a lot.

Can you remember any other President where that was the case?

ccBy the democrats, not the republicans. Which goes to show who the racists are

 

[HenryBHough]

I re-consider the topic heading and ask the one legitimate question:


WHY?

 

[Jarhead]

I re-consider the topic heading and ask the one legitimate question:


WHY?

Because it takes away from honest debate.

 

[HenryBHough]

I re-consider the topic heading and ask the one legitimate question:


WHY?

Because it takes away from honest debate.

Please don't equate rhetoric with facts.

 

[emilynghiem]

I think this will stop when people stop saying
ALL people voted for Obama just because he is black.

It is pretty even.

yes, there are people who mainly voted for him or against him because of that.
yes, there are people who voted for or against him independent of that.
and yes, there are people on BOTH sides arguing the other votes were based on race.

some were, some weren't.

Republicans have opposed EVERY democrat president, staunchly even.

Has everyone forgotten the "vast rightwing conspiracy" Hillary propagated? Have you forgotten Clintons impeachment? Have you forgotten Limbaughs proclomation of America being "held hostage" from the beginning of Clintons term?
Unless I'm color blind Clinton is WHITE. The gop simply oppose the liberal agenda. Even when Clinton swung back towards the center he was still the target of the right.
Claiming all this crap is race related just shows your inability to form a coherent argument to promote your positions.

regardless, Obama either represents your interests or doesn't.
and from this division, as with Bush, half the nation is excluded and complains.

Could anyone expect to run a household if the Mother and half the kids had complete control for 4-8 YEARS, while excluding input from the Father and the other half, and by the time it is his turn, he runs the house his way for 4-8 YEARS excluding the Mother's side?

Why do we expect to run the nation this way, knowing people represent themselves by party. Would we let two religious groups compete to rule over each other by majority vote?Then blame both groups for namecalling in the media to try to bully down each other?