Capitalism or Communism? Is communism really that horrible?

[LibertyLemming]

Jake should be paid by the government for propaganda.

 

[tooAlive]

The theory of communism was created by Karl Marx who was called the destitute economist, Marx lived during the industrial revolution and witnessed how workers who toiled in factories where exploited by the factory owners. It was a dream where the worker was the focus of society and that the workers would enjoy the full profits created by their toil, a state where there was only a working class who collectively shared all property and wealth. After the Russian revolution Communism was the model which replaced the Russian ruling nobility and it was a dream of creating a Utopia for all common men. But was time progressed men like Lenin and Stalin turned this communist state into a totalitarian nightmare where dissidents where either enslaved or punished and communism became an authoritarian system of rule which abandoned concepts such as human rights and freedom of speech. Communism which began as a dream of the liberation of the working class from exploitation became a force of oppression and dehumanization.

But the working class is the most important element of any nation since the workers grow our food, build our goods and go about the task of running society with their hard work. So the worker should be rewarded for his labor and not watch all the profits of his labor go to a quasi economic aristocracy who where given power and influence for the most part by birthright and not ability. The majority of the world's money, which is the only true power, is held in very few hands. What ideal should guide nations, the welfare of its citizens or simply the endlessly earning of profit? The free market gave the West the best standard of living in human history, but are sure most will submit that capitalism has its flaws to. Who knows.

Excellent post.

You've illustrated why socialism and communism will never work. Because there will always be men that want to seize control. The same greed that exists in capitalism also exists in socialism and communism.

Since greed will always exist, political systems that require it's absence to function correctly are doomed from the beginning.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why would a patriot like me who combats mindless parrots like you, LL, want to be paid for doing his patriotic duty?

 

[tooAlive]

Why a patriot like me who combats mindless parrots like you, LL, want to be paid for doing his patriotic duty?

Patriot?

Please. Your anti-capitalist, pro-communist views couldn't be further than those of our Founding Fathers.

You're as much of a patriot as Barack Obama is white.

 

[francoHFW]

The problem of hysterical RWers is they don't know the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is democratic- try to remember.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why a patriot like me who combats mindless parrots like you, LL, want to be paid for doing his patriotic duty?

Patriot? Please. Your anti-capitalist, pro-communist views couldn't be further than those of our Founding Fathers. You're as much of a patriot as Barack Obama is white.

Silly loon.

 

[bripat9643]

Why a patriot like me who combats mindless parrots like you, LL, want to be paid for doing his patriotic duty?

Patriot?

Please. Your anti-capitalist, pro-communist views couldn't be further than those of our Founding Fathers.

You're as much of a patriot as Barack Obama is white.

Obama is half white. Fakey is 100% boot licking Stalinist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why a patriot like me who combats mindless parrots like you, LL, want to be paid for doing his patriotic duty?

Patriot?

Please. Your anti-capitalist, pro-communist views couldn't be further than those of our Founding Fathers.

You're as much of a patriot as Barack Obama is white.

Obama is half white. Fakey is 100% boot licking Stalinist.

projection, little one, projection. You hate constitutional, electoral process.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your anti-capitalist, pro-communist views couldn't be further than those of our Founding Fathers.

Liberals spied for Stalin and yet desperately need to claim a place at our American founding as a propaganda ploy. They need to pretend they belong here and to fool us into thinking communism belongs here too.

In obvious reality the American revolution was about freedom from big liberal government while treasonous liberals and Stalin were 100%for big liberal government.

 

[Euroconservativ]

Socialism, though, often called social democracy now so as to not madden the dinos, is the future, simply fair and intelligent capitalism.Which we will have in 2014 thank god. lol

If you want a social democracy, try to be open and honest: there are not enough rich people to pay for it.

I guess you mean european-style social democracy. I tell you a couple of necessary conditions to have a social democracy:

1) A 20-25% national VAT. Unlike the sales tax, the VAT is collected at each stage of the economy.

2) Personal income tax rates of 20-30% on the lower and middle class.

What are your qualifications to make such statements? But first I think you better define "socialism" and "social democracy", then give us examples of how they apply to the USA.

Can you name many examples of an advanced social democracy with low VAT and low tax rates on the middle class? No, you cannot.

There are a couple of rich countries with low VAT: Switzerland, whose top marginal federal income tax rate is 11%. And the very homogeneous and debt-ridden Japan.

 

[Euroconservativ]

Many countries that appear "socialist" by American standards, don't consider themselves to be "socialist." (Canada)[/b]

yes America likes to pretend its capitalist but we've gone so far to the left we can now challenge Europe and Canada in several important areas.

The US fiscal and monetary policies are definitely to the far left by German standards

The Bundesbank probably has more admirers of Von Mises and Hayek than the entire Republican Party

 

[georgephillip]

That's why the government of the Soviet Union put such people in sanitariums and made them wear straight jackets.

We put quite a few people in cages for less than stellar reasons too. :-/

We never put anyone in a cage for his political opinions.

We put a presidential candidate in prison because he spoke out against US involvement in WWI:

"(Eugene Victor) Debs read the works of Karl Marx and learned about socialism in prison, emerging to launch his career as the nation's most prominent Socialist in the first decades of the 20th century. He ran as the Socialist Party's candidate for the presidency in 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, and 1920, the last time from a prison cell.

"Debs was noted for his oratory, and his speech denouncing American participation in World War I led to his second arrest in 1918. He was convicted under the Espionage Act of 1917 and sentenced to a term of 10 years."

Eugene V. Debs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think it can't happen again?

 

[bripat9643]

We put quite a few people in cages for less than stellar reasons too. :-/

We never put anyone in a cage for his political opinions.

We put a presidential candidate in prison because he spoke out against US involvement in WWI:

"(Eugene Victor) Debs read the works of Karl Marx and learned about socialism in prison, emerging to launch his career as the nation's most prominent Socialist in the first decades of the 20th century. He ran as the Socialist Party's candidate for the presidency in 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, and 1920, the last time from a prison cell.

"Debs was noted for his oratory, and his speech denouncing American participation in World War I led to his second arrest in 1918. He was convicted under the Espionage Act of 1917 and sentenced to a term of 10 years."

Eugene V. Debs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think it can't happen again?

He was prosecuted by a progressive administration, wasn't he?

 

[bripat9643]

Patriot?

Please. Your anti-capitalist, pro-communist views couldn't be further than those of our Founding Fathers.

You're as much of a patriot as Barack Obama is white.

Obama is half white. Fakey is 100% boot licking Stalinist.

projection, little one, projection. You hate constitutional, electoral process.

I prefer it compared to system of government you endorse: soviet style communism.

 

[Unkotare]

The theory of communism was created by Karl Marx
.

No it wasn't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama is half white. Fakey is 100% boot licking Stalinist.

projection, little one, projection. You hate constitutional, electoral process.

I prefer it compared to system of government you endorse: soviet style communism.

I could no more be a communist than bripat could be an American patriot.

 

[thanatos144]

We put quite a few people in cages for less than stellar reasons too. :-/

We never put anyone in a cage for his political opinions.

We put a presidential candidate in prison because he spoke out against US involvement in WWI:

"(Eugene Victor) Debs read the works of Karl Marx and learned about socialism in prison, emerging to launch his career as the nation's most prominent Socialist in the first decades of the 20th century. He ran as the Socialist Party's candidate for the presidency in 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, and 1920, the last time from a prison cell.

"Debs was noted for his oratory, and his speech denouncing American participation in World War I led to his second arrest in 1918. He was convicted under the Espionage Act of 1917 and sentenced to a term of 10 years."

Eugene V. Debs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think it can't happen again?

He was a spy......That is illegal you know. Also Wikipedia is a shity source.

 

[georgephillip]

Link?

Or do you make it all up as you go along?

 

[thanatos144]

Link?

Or do you make it all up as you go along?

It was from your link LMAO Jesus what the fuck do you think the espionage act was for?

 

[BOBO]

Events like group Identity, group narcissism, ethnicity discrimination, corruption, elitism, war, poverty, jealousy, class envy, & loss of individual autonomy come with ever growing bigger & bigger g'ment. America is in flux from leaving the socialist/fascist state it is @ current, towards it's communalist destination which is fast approaching. All the above mentioned ills are already with America. The bigger the g'ment gets in America the more ills one can add to the above mentioned ills list.