Carney: White House aides insulated Obama from IRS scandal

[tinydancer]

Carney: White House aides insulated Obama from IRS scandal




The Washington Times

Monday, May 20, 2013

Top White House aides first learned of a draft report detailing IRS abuses in targeting conservative groups in late April, but they chose to insulate President Obama by not informing him until it exploded in the press, the president’s spokesman said Monday.

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters Monday that White House counsel Kathy Ruemmler learned about an IRS inspector general’s draft report looking into the singling out of conservative groups on April 24. She advised senior White House staff including chief of staff Denis McDonough — about the then-draft report, but Mr. Carney said she believed that Mr. Obama shouldn’t be told and other staffers followed her advice.

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So his admin doesn't inform the president? Fuck looks like Obama isn't doing his job.

I have a couple of questiions.

• Who are the people who decide what Obama doesn't need to know?
• Who is running the government?

I find it really disturbing that the President would have been kept in the dark about this scandal.


And I'm with you big time on the question of "who decides" what the President needs to know.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Sorry, LL. I've been following the Tornados in Moore OK today. That sucker plowed 36 square miles on a path two miles wide in some places.

Well,

The press briefing took place several hours before the tornado hit.

Carney simply stated that WH counsel was aware of the report being compiled on April 24. But, as it was incomplete and the details known were very "broad" in nature, advising the POTUS was not protocol.

Insulated? My ass.

Apparently you are the one that did not listen. What actually happened is that the White House counsel knew about the findings, thought the president should get a heads up, so they informed Obama's Chief of Staff.

The best part is that this comes from MSNBC.

But in Monday’s briefing, he revealed that after White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler was informed that the probe was coming to its conclusion, she told White House chief of staff Denis McDonough and other senior White House staff. Carney also said that Ruemmler was made aware of the report’s key finding: that IRS personnel had improperly targeted conservative groups for special scrutiny. And he added that the White House then held meetings with the Treasury Department to discuss strategy for responding to the report.
“There were conversations with White House chief of staff and with Treasury about the anticipated timing of the release of the report and the potential findings,” Carney said.

White House story on IRS targeting evolves ? MSNBC

Love to see you dismiss this as a right wing conspiracy.

No. I listened to it. Sorry. You have not provided the entire transcript of Carney's remarks.

My characterization is accurate. I did not say anything about a right wing conspiracy. I said that the suggestion that Obama was INSULATED.....as in purposefully protected in som nefarious way.....is bullshit.

 

[Sarah G]

Carney: White House aides insulated Obama from IRS scandal




The Washington Times

Monday, May 20, 2013

Top White House aides first learned of a draft report detailing IRS abuses in targeting conservative groups in late April, but they chose to insulate President Obama by not informing him until it exploded in the press, the president’s spokesman said Monday.

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters Monday that White House counsel Kathy Ruemmler learned about an IRS inspector general’s draft report looking into the singling out of conservative groups on April 24. She advised senior White House staff including chief of staff Denis McDonough — about the then-draft report, but Mr. Carney said she believed that Mr. Obama shouldn’t be told and other staffers followed her advice.

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So his admin doesn't inform the president? Fuck looks like Obama isn't doing his job.

I wonder if any one yet has told him he really is the president.

Somebody like the Washington Times?

 

[mudwhistle]

Valarie Jarrett said on election day that they were gonna get even with everyone that pissed them off. Wonder why she would say that when they already were. Guess it's just an ongoing program of threats and intimidation.

I really love being a Banana Republic. Don't you?

No wonder Russia sneers at us. They know we're just as bad as they were.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

 

[Sarah G]

The Washington Times is even less credible than Fox News if that's possible.

 

[Sarah G]

But then again, there is World Nut Daily that none of you mind posting "news" from..

 

[Sarah G]

And who could forget Breitbart/Drudge? What an embarrassing bunch..

 

[mudwhistle]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

Instead of campaigning Obama could try something he's never done before.

His job.


Being informed is kind of important for a president.

He has to be the most uninformed and inept president in the last 100 years, according to his staff.

 

[NoNukes]

Pigs can fly,the moon is made of cheese,and Jimmy Hoffa lives in the house down the road.

This "plausible deniability" Crap needs to stop with Barry and, more importantly, these bootlicking communists that worship him need to finally come to terms with the FACT that their boy is a crooked SOB.

Who are you appealing to when you make a point using a racial slur?

 

[LoneLaugher]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

Instead of campaigning Obama could try something he's never done before.

His job.


Being informed is kind of important for a president.

He has to be the most uninformed and inept president in the last 100 years, according to his staff.

Please answer the question.

 

[hortysir]

Well,

The press briefing took place several hours before the tornado hit.

Carney simply stated that WH counsel was aware of the report being compiled on April 24. But, as it was incomplete and the details known were very "broad" in nature, advising the POTUS was not protocol.

Insulated? My ass.

Apparently you are the one that did not listen. What actually happened is that the White House counsel knew about the findings, thought the president should get a heads up, so they informed Obama's Chief of Staff.

The best part is that this comes from MSNBC.

But in Monday’s briefing, he revealed that after White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler was informed that the probe was coming to its conclusion, she told White House chief of staff Denis McDonough and other senior White House staff. Carney also said that Ruemmler was made aware of the report’s key finding: that IRS personnel had improperly targeted conservative groups for special scrutiny. And he added that the White House then held meetings with the Treasury Department to discuss strategy for responding to the report.
“There were conversations with White House chief of staff and with Treasury about the anticipated timing of the release of the report and the potential findings,” Carney said.

White House story on IRS targeting evolves ? MSNBC

Love to see you dismiss this as a right wing conspiracy.

No. I listened to it. Sorry. You have not provided the entire transcript of Carney's remarks.

My characterization is accurate. I did not say anything about a right wing conspiracy. I said that the suggestion that Obama was INSULATED.....as in purposefully protected in som nefarious way.....is bullshit.

So you think he knew all about it, then?

 

[hortysir]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

He could have had the AG's office investigate and ask for the resignations of the guilty parties BEFORE the media pressure pushed him into it

 

[LoneLaugher]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

He could have had the AG's office investigate and ask for the resignations of the guilty parties BEFORE the media pressure pushed him into it

The President does not tell the AG who or what to investigate.

Ask for resignations before the IG report was finished to avoid media scrutiny? That makes for true leadership

You lose.

 

[Jarhead]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

He could have had the AG's office investigate and ask for the resignations of the guilty parties BEFORE the media pressure pushed him into it

The President does not tell the AG who or what to investigate.

Ask for resignations before the IG report was finished to avoid media scrutiny? That makes for true leadership

You lose.

when there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an IG investigation, putting the individual on "leave" is standard operating procedure.

If an officer shoots a suspect and there is reason to believe the shooting may not have been warranted, the officer is put on leave to avoid another incident...just in case the findings are legit.

The same holds true for the IRS.

If someone is being investigated for "wrong doing" in the IRS, he oir she should immediately stop what he or she is doing.

Your defense of how this was handled is absurd.

How many more people were unfairly targeted while they were investigating?

 

[hortysir]

What exactly could the President have done.....what should he have done.......had he been advised of the IMPENDING report? Note that word, impending. It is important.

He could have had the AG's office investigate and ask for the resignations of the guilty parties BEFORE the media pressure pushed him into it

The President does not tell the AG who or what to investigate.

Ask for resignations before the IG report was finished to avoid media scrutiny? That makes for true leadership

You lose.

Notice how I used the word"investigation" BEFORE I used the word "resignations"?
But, go ahead and get caught up on whether I said AG or IG.

The fact remains that you'd be fine with Obama knowing about it and doing nothing.

You win

The Idiotic Post of the Day Award
(tho it's early and I having seen the usual DemBulbs yet)

 

[LoneLaugher]

He could have had the AG's office investigate and ask for the resignations of the guilty parties BEFORE the media pressure pushed him into it

The President does not tell the AG who or what to investigate.

Ask for resignations before the IG report was finished to avoid media scrutiny? That makes for true leadership

You lose.

when there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an IG investigation, putting the individual on "leave" is standard operating procedure.

If an officer shoots a suspect and there is reason to believe the shooting may not have been warranted, the officer is put on leave to avoid another incident...just in case the findings are legit.

The same holds true for the IRS.

If someone is being investigated for "wrong doing" in the IRS, he oir she should immediately stop what he or she is doing.

Your defense of how this was handled is absurd.

How many more people were unfairly targeted while they were investigating?

Do you know when the practice of flagging nutjob groups was stopped.....and when the IG investigation was begun? Let me guess......you have no idea.

Check that out.

 

[Jarhead]

The President does not tell the AG who or what to investigate.

Ask for resignations before the IG report was finished to avoid media scrutiny? That makes for true leadership

You lose.

when there is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an IG investigation, putting the individual on "leave" is standard operating procedure.

If an officer shoots a suspect and there is reason to believe the shooting may not have been warranted, the officer is put on leave to avoid another incident...just in case the findings are legit.

The same holds true for the IRS.

If someone is being investigated for "wrong doing" in the IRS, he oir she should immediately stop what he or she is doing.

Your defense of how this was handled is absurd.

How many more people were unfairly targeted while they were investigating?

Do you know when the practice of flagging nutjob groups was stopped.....and when the IG investigation was begun? Let me guess......you have no idea.

Check that out.

Stop with the childish insults and debate like an adult.

We have a very serious situation here and if you insist on turning a eye to it, it can happen again.

Whether the act of flagging particular groups stopped or not is irrelevant. The fact that it happened is the issue, and whoever may have been doing it should have been immediately releived of their responsibilities until the investigation was completed.

Investigations are not done to "stop" the practice. They are performed to find out WHO participated in it and IF it happened.

If a child claims a teacher inappropriately touched him or her, it is likely that teacher would stop immediately. But the teacher is releived of his or her responsibilities unitl AFTER the investigation is completed.

Toss out your insults and "nut job" comments and I will not respond.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All crime organizations work the exact same way, underlings take the fall for the Boss's decisions and actions. But unlike the MAFIA, the Democrats will kill people thinking of turning states evidence

 

[Granny]

Carney: White House aides insulated Obama from IRS scandal




The Washington Times

Monday, May 20, 2013

Top White House aides first learned of a draft report detailing IRS abuses in targeting conservative groups in late April, but they chose to insulate President Obama by not informing him until it exploded in the press, the president’s spokesman said Monday.

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters Monday that White House counsel Kathy Ruemmler learned about an IRS inspector general’s draft report looking into the singling out of conservative groups on April 24. She advised senior White House staff including chief of staff Denis McDonough — about the then-draft report, but Mr. Carney said she believed that Mr. Obama shouldn’t be told and other staffers followed her advice.

Read more: Carney: White House aides insulated Obama from IRS scandal - Washington Times
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So his admin doesn't inform the president? Fuck looks like Obama isn't doing his job.

Good observation. Who's running the country is a good question. A GOOD leader would want to be fully informed (and continuously updated) of what is going on. It's a pretty good way not to be caught with his pants down and ducking for cover. A GOOD leader, fully informed, could stand in front of his country and speak honestly to the people and assure them that any new information received will be conveyed to them.