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Yeah...nothing says "right" like giving an example of your local city hall!Yes. Jaraxle was right and you were wrong.
I will tell you more. And then you'll be embarrassed over your stupidity and you'll make outrageous claims because your fragile ego won't allow you to admit that you were wrong.cash around (which the government you claim to not want to empower, manipulates),
You think using credit or non-cash payments protects you from government manipulation of the money supply and interest rates? LOL! Tell me more!!!
- People wouldn't be able to evade taxes like they do now (your #1 fear)
- It would all but completely eliminate criminal activity (without cash, how do criminal organizations explain their income/transactions?)
By the way - just because it's a digital transition doesn't mean you surrender privacy. If I sold you a firearm in a private transaction today and you paid me using PayPal, the government would have no clue what I sold you. They would simply know that you and I had a transaction. Nothing more.my only reason for cash is that i like its privacy .
Bank of America customers were shut out from their accounts for several hours Wednesday in a system outage.
Coral Springs resident Eric Sleeper said he got what looked like a phishing email from the bank Wednesday and immediately started calling customer service to see if something was wrong. A message on his online account said it could not pull up his information.
When he called his local branch, a manager said that local managers were all calling each other trying to figure out what caused what appeared to be a national outage and why they were unable to provide certain services.
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, exactly how you arrived at the conclusion that only 1% of has stations charge for using a credit card.Uh...99% of gas stations do not charge the consumer a fee for using credit cards. I think I've seen exactly 2 gas stations in my entire life that have done that. One was out of state and my friend told me how they explicitly avoid that gas station just on principle.When buying gas, a card is usually a 5-6 cent charge.
Thanks for playing. You're dismissed.
Yeah...nothing says "right" like giving an example of your local city hall!Yes. Jaraxle was right and you were wrong.
When you got to Walmart, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope. When you got to McDonald's, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope. When you got to Best Buy, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope. When you got to Staples, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope.
Thanks for playing Toddster. You are dismissed!
Removing physical currency from society will be one of the most impactful and positive events in the history of civilization:
- It almost immediately eliminates criminal activity. Without cash, one has to explain transactions. A prostitute must explain why she had a transaction at 2:00 a.m. when she is not employed. Gambling, narcotics, etc. are all in deep trouble instantly.
- It essentially eliminates robbery. Yes, there will be cybercrime of course. But a person hacking my bank account is a billion times safer than a person sticking a gun in my face to take my cash.
Visa unveils new incentive plan to push cashless transactions
- It instantly eliminates all tax evasion. With a digital record of every transaction, all of the criminals who currently don't pay taxes now show an income. That closes a huge gap for the government and eases the burden on the rest of us who do pay our taxes.
I will tell you more. And then you'll be embarrassed over your stupidity and you'll make outrageous claims because your fragile ego won't allow you to admit that you were wrong.cash around (which the government you claim to not want to empower, manipulates),
You think using credit or non-cash payments protects you from government manipulation of the money supply and interest rates? LOL! Tell me more!!!
As stated multiple times in this thread already, currency is removed from our economy for a multitude of reasons. This causes government to inject currency into the economy without any real idea of how much is still out there. That causes inflation, devalues the dollar, etc. It's constant fluctuation. That lack of stability isn't good for the economy or the citizens.
With pure digital currency, we could know the exact amount and there never be a need for the government to inject more since it cannot be lost, burned in house fires, thrown into wishing wells in Disney World, etc. That brings tremendous stability. In addition:
- We wouldn't waste the tremendous tax dollars on printing and coining currency
- People wouldn't be able to evade taxes like they do now (your #1 fear)
- It would all but completely eliminate criminal activity (without cash, how do criminal organizations explain their income/transactions?)
Look - I get it. You love not paying your taxes and burdening the rest of us with your share. I can understand how someone like you would be freaked out about it. But frankly, I'm tired of carrying your share. There are millions of people not paying their taxes, costing the U.S. government trillions of dollars which they make up by crushing the rest of us. It is a 100% guarantee that we will be an economy that is strictly run on digital transactions someday. It's just a matter of when. In the meantime, you might want to start researching some third world countries where your tax evasion and other criminal activities will be more palatable by the citizens.
- Without cash - individuals are safer. Hackers might steal money, but nobody will be placing a gun to your face to rob you if they know currency doesn't exist.
Yeah...nothing says "right" like giving an example of your local city hall!Yes. Jaraxle was right and you were wrong.
When you got to Walmart, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope. When you got to McDonald's, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope. When you got to Best Buy, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope. When you got to Staples, are you charged a fee for using a credit card? Nope.
Thanks for playing Toddster. You are dismissed!
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, exactly how you arrived at the conclusion that only 1% of has stations charge for using a credit card.Uh...99% of gas stations do not charge the consumer a fee for using credit cards. I think I've seen exactly 2 gas stations in my entire life that have done that. One was out of state and my friend told me how they explicitly avoid that gas station just on principle.When buying gas, a card is usually a 5-6 cent charge.
Thanks for playing. You're dismissed.
Describe, in detail and with links to sources, exactly how you arrived at the conclusion that only 1% of has stations charge for using a credit card.Uh...99% of gas stations do not charge the consumer a fee for using credit cards. I think I've seen exactly 2 gas stations in my entire life that have done that. One was out of state and my friend told me how they explicitly avoid that gas station just on principle.When buying gas, a card is usually a 5-6 cent charge.
Thanks for playing. You're dismissed.
Almost every station in this area charges $.10 a gallon more for using a credit card. Very few if any don't. Sinclair, Safeway, Tesoro, 76 and on and on. Gas Buddy now has a feature on its apps to show the difference per gallon between cash and credit.
Yep, and due to litigation, anyone can charge a surcharge, except in 10 states-
Update - January 27, 2013: As a result of long-standing litigation against the cards brands, merchants are now permitted to charge customers a surcharge for paying with a credit card
Charging Customers to Use a Credit Card
You soon could be charged extra for using a credit card | Interest.com
I don't use cash at all anymore in normal transactions with a business. And that is fine.
However, when buying something off of an individual, almost always a small amount of money...of course I use cash. The government gets enough tax dollars from me and then some. Way more than they need.
This is nothing more than an attempt to:
1) Increase taxation
2) Pay toll tax to corporations. Of course Visa wants a cashless economy....DUH!!!...they get anywhere from 3%-7% of transactions....so in the end you buy a fishing reel off your neighbor for $20....you need to pay $1.40 to the government, and $.60 to a corporation.
F*ck that
P.S. - And then you would need to pay a middle man like Authorize.net that charges another 6% to perform the secure transaction.
You would have to be a lunatic to be for this.
Yep, and due to litigation, anyone can charge a surcharge, except in 10 states-
Update - January 27, 2013: As a result of long-standing litigation against the cards brands, merchants are now permitted to charge customers a surcharge for paying with a credit card
Charging Customers to Use a Credit Card
You soon could be charged extra for using a credit card | Interest.com
Already happening.
Things started falling apart when the "redeemable in gold" was deleted from what was printed on the dollar bills.I will tell you more. And then you'll be embarrassed over your stupidity and you'll make outrageous claims because your fragile ego won't allow you to admit that you were wrong.cash around (which the government you claim to not want to empower, manipulates),
You think using credit or non-cash payments protects you from government manipulation of the money supply and interest rates? LOL! Tell me more!!!
As stated multiple times in this thread already, currency is removed from our economy for a multitude of reasons. This causes government to inject currency into the economy without any real idea of how much is still out there. That causes inflation, devalues the dollar, etc. It's constant fluctuation. That lack of stability isn't good for the economy or the citizens.
With pure digital currency, we could know the exact amount and there never be a need for the government to inject more since it cannot be lost, burned in house fires, thrown into wishing wells in Disney World, etc. That brings tremendous stability. In addition:
- We wouldn't waste the tremendous tax dollars on printing and coining currency
- People wouldn't be able to evade taxes like they do now (your #1 fear)
- It would all but completely eliminate criminal activity (without cash, how do criminal organizations explain their income/transactions?)
Look - I get it. You love not paying your taxes and burdening the rest of us with your share. I can understand how someone like you would be freaked out about it. But frankly, I'm tired of carrying your share. There are millions of people not paying their taxes, costing the U.S. government trillions of dollars which they make up by crushing the rest of us. It is a 100% guarantee that we will be an economy that is strictly run on digital transactions someday. It's just a matter of when. In the meantime, you might want to start researching some third world countries where your tax evasion and other criminal activities will be more palatable by the citizens.
- Without cash - individuals are safer. Hackers might steal money, but nobody will be placing a gun to your face to rob you if they know currency doesn't exist.
As stated multiple times in this thread already, currency is removed from our economy for a multitude of reasons.
Until you can show our economy is harmed by this, rather than helped, your theory remains unproven.
That causes inflation, devalues the dollar, etc.
If foreigners take $500 billion in USD and use them in Russia, Cuba, Venezuela and any other nation with an untrustworthy currency, how can it cause inflation here?
We wouldn't waste the tremendous tax dollars on printing and coining currency
Printing currency is profitable for the government.
It would all but completely eliminate criminal activity
You already said people could buy things (guns) and the government wouldn't know what they bought.
I enjoy refuting your claims, but it's so much more fun when you refute them yourself.