Casting Aspersions On U. S. "Exceptionalism(?)" Let's Start With Abraham Lincoln!

[Darkwind]

The OP proves that America IS an exceptional country. We even have exceptional idiots like this.

How could Putin not see it?

 

[mascale]

Far away from a Putin world again, wherein "Lincoln and Assad, Sittin' in a tree, K.i.s.s.i.n.g.," might be construed propaganda: Still in fact that two have major points in common--each perpetrating atrocity in a Civil War.

From the posted link in this thread:
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Lincoln was certainly aware of the measures being taken in his administration's name, but it was only after the 1864 elections that he felt he could do something about them. Lincoln had tried to persuade the military commander in the area to consider ending martial law earlier in the war, but he had been rebuffed. "The peace of the State rests on military power," the officer had replied. "To relinquish this power would be dangerous."

"As the war began to wind down and the threat of Confederate invasion dwindled, Lincoln decided to try again. In the fall of 1864, after he had won re-election, Lincoln appealed to the general in control of the state to repeal martial law. "Please gather information," he wrote, "and consider whether an appeal to the people there to go to their homes, and let one another alone . . . may not allow you to withdraw the troops."

"What Lincoln didn't realize, scholars say, was just how much the fierce fighting in Missouri had hardened attitudes there—and how much the leaders of Lincoln's own party had grown accustomed to the status quo.

The first signs of trouble appeared in the state's election results. More than 165,000 Missourians had voted in the 1860 presidential election, with only 17,000 voters supporting Lincoln. But four years later, Lincoln had received 70 percent of just over 100,000 votes cast. The question, of course, was not just how Lincoln had grown so popular, but what had happened to the rest of the voters. "Essentially," writes Neely, "much of the Democratic Party in the electorate in Missouri, likely a majority, had disappeared."

Neely, for one, believes Lincoln probably understood what had happened: The state's Republicans had used their newfound war powers not just to shut down newspapers and arrest those they considered disloyal but to intimidate and disenfranchise the Democrats, many of whom supported slavery and some of whom were sympathetic to the Confederacy. The Republicans, in other words, reigned supreme in Missouri. They had the Army at their backs, and they liked it that way. "What Lincoln had attempted to guard against in his internal security policy had come to pass," writes Neely.
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The perception of Lincoln, the tyrant dictator, would eventually lead to his assassination. Had he been inclined to swastika-laden brown shirts, with cute little lip hair, then the world would easily have treated that event likely differently.

Putin possibly knows that Assad has certain regime-control problems of his own. Lincoln's "orders" were not bound-in-law, and so Lincoln's commanders were at-large in the field, rogue commanders.

Lincoln's war of atrocity, against all U. S. Nationals, was not entirely under his complete control--possibly like in Syria.

In Lincoln there is shown the "Exceptionalist" behavior and outcome--easily compared to Hitler of the German Third Reich.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(What passes for many as "Love" in the world--even leaves many blind!)

 

[velvtacheeze]

Far away from a Putin world again, wherein "Lincoln and Assad, Sittin' in a tree, K.i.s.s.i.n.g.," might be construed propaganda: Still in fact that two have major points in common--each perpetrating atrocity in a Civil War.

From the posted link in this thread:
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Lincoln was certainly aware of the measures being taken in his administration's name, but it was only after the 1864 elections that he felt he could do something about them. Lincoln had tried to persuade the military commander in the area to consider ending martial law earlier in the war, but he had been rebuffed. "The peace of the State rests on military power," the officer had replied. "To relinquish this power would be dangerous."

"As the war began to wind down and the threat of Confederate invasion dwindled, Lincoln decided to try again. In the fall of 1864, after he had won re-election, Lincoln appealed to the general in control of the state to repeal martial law. "Please gather information," he wrote, "and consider whether an appeal to the people there to go to their homes, and let one another alone . . . may not allow you to withdraw the troops."

"What Lincoln didn't realize, scholars say, was just how much the fierce fighting in Missouri had hardened attitudes there—and how much the leaders of Lincoln's own party had grown accustomed to the status quo.

The first signs of trouble appeared in the state's election results. More than 165,000 Missourians had voted in the 1860 presidential election, with only 17,000 voters supporting Lincoln. But four years later, Lincoln had received 70 percent of just over 100,000 votes cast. The question, of course, was not just how Lincoln had grown so popular, but what had happened to the rest of the voters. "Essentially," writes Neely, "much of the Democratic Party in the electorate in Missouri, likely a majority, had disappeared."

Neely, for one, believes Lincoln probably understood what had happened: The state's Republicans had used their newfound war powers not just to shut down newspapers and arrest those they considered disloyal but to intimidate and disenfranchise the Democrats, many of whom supported slavery and some of whom were sympathetic to the Confederacy. The Republicans, in other words, reigned supreme in Missouri. They had the Army at their backs, and they liked it that way. "What Lincoln had attempted to guard against in his internal security policy had come to pass," writes Neely.
_____________________________________________

The perception of Lincoln, the tyrant dictator, would eventually lead to his assassination. Had he been inclined to swastika-laden brown shirts, with cute little lip hair, then the world would easily have treated that event likely differently.

Putin possibly knows that Assad has certain regime-control problems of his own. Lincoln's "orders" were not bound-in-law, and so Lincoln's commanders were at-large in the field, rogue commanders.

Lincoln's war of atrocity, against all U. S. Nationals, was not entirely under his complete control--possibly like in Syria.

In Lincoln there is shown the "Exceptionalist" behavior and outcome--easily compared to Hitler of the German Third Reich.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(What passes for many as "Love" in the world--even leaves many blind!)

We liberals are eventually going to get our hands on the Stone Mountain confederate Memorial too, and when we do, we're not going to be very nice about it. It's coming down.

 

[editec]

The application of the word exceptional without including some indication of HOW it is exceptional?

It's a phase with NO MEANING.

EVery nation is an exception to ever other. Every history is unique. So the fuck what?


But morons like meaningless nonsense that sounds good, so what the hell...its a popular phrase.

 

[Unkotare]

We liberals are eventually going to get our hands on the Stone Mountain confederate Memorial too, and when we do, we're not going to be very nice about it. It's coming down.

If you have decided you represent "liberals," then go do it now. What are you waiting for?

 

[mascale]

Issues of the launching of the U. S. Civil War are usually put into a legal context. Was the United States going to supports its own laws regarding the slave-owning property or not. The Lincoln first innaugural address was not a call to abolition. The White House was not terribly engaged with the slavery issue.

In its defense, the Southern property-owners were not finding all that much support from the federal government. The Radical Republicans had won in the split of the Democratic vote. The ascendancy of the Radical Republicans was very much at the heart of the need to secede, for example in Georgia.

Digital History

Georgia was especially concerned that the northern Republican business interests, enjoying funding largesse from the federal government, were going to set about an imperial rule of the slave-owning South. Georgia acknowledged its own understanding of "The Great Compromise" in the Constitution. Concepts of implementing the end of slavery had yet to be addressed. The Republicans were not on any public record as showing how that would be addressed.

Abraham Lincoln and Civil Liberties in Wartime

So Lincoln could rely on the Constitutional mandate for the Executive to defend the Constitution. There is also the part about assuring that laws be faithfully executed. Lincoln could go on to conduct the war with support of the people, since most of the people were actually already in rebellion at the very thought. Lincoln had to keep faith with the concept of rebellion, however--which implies that the rebels are still regarded U. S. Nationals, subject to U. S. law. Effectively, Lincoln major refused to assure that the laws be faithfully executed.

So there is a Stone Mountain memorial, and then there is the Ivy League which is actually opposed to Civil Liberties: More or less by comparison(?)!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(White Eyes even now in Tea Party: Not dress even like properly attired, concierge-level, Indigenous, Casino U. S. Indians!)