Charles Krauthammer and Shep Smith are being HONEST about Trump

[OldLady]

Either way, it still has absolutely nothing to do with the real point of the Don Jr. meeting. It shows willingness--eagerness--by the campaign to accept oppo research as a gift from a foreign government. It is highly frowned upon to allow interference by a foreign country into our campaigns. It also highlights the fact that Don Jr. has been lying about any attempts by the Russians to work with the campaign. Up until now he has been denying it, while he knew all along they had at least tested the theory. The fact that it didn't provide what he hoped for doesn't let him off the hook of "loving it." It's not criminal, probably, although I've heard a few lawyers read the campaign contributions laws as pertaining to oppo research as "something of value" The courts can hash that out if they have a mind to.
It is about attitude and willingness and being (once again) untruthful about Russian attempts to interfere with the campaign. It just colors the whole investigation(s) in a different light. And it doesn't look good for the Trump campaign.

This is nothing more than hyped up media blather as past behavior by Democrats to no cry of scandal proves that foreign governments working with either of our political parties is rare or illegal.

The Dems got help from the Ukrainians and the French and Brits while Obama interfered in Israeli elections just like hew and his party accuse the Russians of doing.

The Dems got help from the Ukrainians and the French and Brits while Obama interfered in Israeli elections just like hew and his party accuse the Russians of doing.
I've asked for this a few times in different threads and never get an answer--you got a link on what you're referring to with the Ukranian thing?
If not a link, just explain what you're talking about?
Never heard of the Brits or French helping the Dems, either.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I've asked for this a few times in different threads and never get an answer--you got a link on what you're referring to with the Ukranian thing?
If not a link, just explain what you're talking about?
Never heard of the Brits or French helping the Dems, either.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Some Election Interference Is More Equal Than Others - How Ukraine Meddled On Behalf Of Clinton | Zero Hedge

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring.

Levin defines intervention as “a costly act which is designed to determine the election results [in favor of] one of the two sides.” These acts, carried out in secret two-thirds of the time, include funding the election campaigns of specific parties, disseminating misinformation or propaganda, training locals of only one side in various campaigning or get-out-the-vote techniques, helping one side design their campaign materials, making public pronouncements or threats in favor of or against a candidate, and providing or withdrawing foreign aid.

In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates the average effect of “partisan electoral interventions” to be only about a 3% increase in vote share.

The U.S. hasn’t been the only one trying to interfere in other countries’ elections, according to Levin’s data. Russia attempted to sway 36 foreign elections from the end of World War II to the turn of the century – meaning that, in total, at least one of the two great powers of the 20th century intervened in about 1 of every 9 competitive, national-level executive elections in that time period.
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Everyone interferes with everyone elses elections to try to spin things more their way to the advantage of their efforts to pursue their own national interests.

This is why politicians and whores are the oldest profession of mankind.

 

[OldLady]

I've asked for this a few times in different threads and never get an answer--you got a link on what you're referring to with the Ukranian thing?
If not a link, just explain what you're talking about?
Never heard of the Brits or French helping the Dems, either.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Some Election Interference Is More Equal Than Others - How Ukraine Meddled On Behalf Of Clinton | Zero Hedge

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring.

Levin defines intervention as “a costly act which is designed to determine the election results [in favor of] one of the two sides.” These acts, carried out in secret two-thirds of the time, include funding the election campaigns of specific parties, disseminating misinformation or propaganda, training locals of only one side in various campaigning or get-out-the-vote techniques, helping one side design their campaign materials, making public pronouncements or threats in favor of or against a candidate, and providing or withdrawing foreign aid.

In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates the average effect of “partisan electoral interventions” to be only about a 3% increase in vote share.

The U.S. hasn’t been the only one trying to interfere in other countries’ elections, according to Levin’s data. Russia attempted to sway 36 foreign elections from the end of World War II to the turn of the century – meaning that, in total, at least one of the two great powers of the 20th century intervened in about 1 of every 9 competitive, national-level executive elections in that time period.
​

Everyone interferes with everyone elses elections to try to spin things more their way to the advantage of their efforts to pursue their own national interests.

This is why politicians and whores are the oldest profession of mankind.

Thank you for the article on the Ukraine thing.

 

[OldLady]

I've asked for this a few times in different threads and never get an answer--you got a link on what you're referring to with the Ukranian thing?
If not a link, just explain what you're talking about?
Never heard of the Brits or French helping the Dems, either.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Some Election Interference Is More Equal Than Others - How Ukraine Meddled On Behalf Of Clinton | Zero Hedge

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring.

Levin defines intervention as “a costly act which is designed to determine the election results [in favor of] one of the two sides.” These acts, carried out in secret two-thirds of the time, include funding the election campaigns of specific parties, disseminating misinformation or propaganda, training locals of only one side in various campaigning or get-out-the-vote techniques, helping one side design their campaign materials, making public pronouncements or threats in favor of or against a candidate, and providing or withdrawing foreign aid.

In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates the average effect of “partisan electoral interventions” to be only about a 3% increase in vote share.

The U.S. hasn’t been the only one trying to interfere in other countries’ elections, according to Levin’s data. Russia attempted to sway 36 foreign elections from the end of World War II to the turn of the century – meaning that, in total, at least one of the two great powers of the 20th century intervened in about 1 of every 9 competitive, national-level executive elections in that time period.
​

Everyone interferes with everyone elses elections to try to spin things more their way to the advantage of their efforts to pursue their own national interests.

This is why politicians and whores are the oldest profession of mankind.

Quite shocking.

 

[jillian]

Some of America`s top Nazis are now bailing on Trump but he still has those red hatted goobers with him. They still think that they`re getting a free wall to hide behind

No...the nazis never supported Trump...they were too busy vandalizing universities when conservative speakers tried to make speeches there......

yes, the neo-Nazis love the orange sociopath.

why else did the loon keep re-tweeting garbage from white supremacists?

and why else do the racist pondscum on the board love the Donald so much.

stop lying nutter

 

[jillian]

I've asked for this a few times in different threads and never get an answer--you got a link on what you're referring to with the Ukranian thing?
If not a link, just explain what you're talking about?
Never heard of the Brits or French helping the Dems, either.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Some Election Interference Is More Equal Than Others - How Ukraine Meddled On Behalf Of Clinton | Zero Hedge

The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring.

Levin defines intervention as “a costly act which is designed to determine the election results [in favor of] one of the two sides.” These acts, carried out in secret two-thirds of the time, include funding the election campaigns of specific parties, disseminating misinformation or propaganda, training locals of only one side in various campaigning or get-out-the-vote techniques, helping one side design their campaign materials, making public pronouncements or threats in favor of or against a candidate, and providing or withdrawing foreign aid.

In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates the average effect of “partisan electoral interventions” to be only about a 3% increase in vote share.

The U.S. hasn’t been the only one trying to interfere in other countries’ elections, according to Levin’s data. Russia attempted to sway 36 foreign elections from the end of World War II to the turn of the century – meaning that, in total, at least one of the two great powers of the 20th century intervened in about 1 of every 9 competitive, national-level executive elections in that time period.
​

Everyone interferes with everyone elses elections to try to spin things more their way to the advantage of their efforts to pursue their own national interests.

This is why politicians and whores are the oldest profession of mankind.

ukrain's efforts backfired because no one was colluding with them.

your point?

and the fact that we may have done things in other countries (which we did and shouldn't have, but rightwingnts don't care because it was to screw with commies) but it's ok for an adversary to corrupt our elections because you got the loon you wanted?

it would be so nice if trump loons loved their country.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Everyone interferes with everyone elses elections to try to spin things more their way to the advantage of their efforts to pursue their own national interests.
This is why politicians and whores are the oldest profession of mankind.

Quite shocking.

Meh, read up on the history of Tammany Hall politics if you want to see shocking. The political machines of today come from that old way of doing politics.

I take politicians for what they are really; well dress gigilos.