Zander
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Fuck Charlie Rangel. He should be in jail.
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I don't like him either. But on this matter I agree with him.Fuck Charlie Rangel. He should be in jail.
Democrats should love that......mandatory military service.
I've always said I think that's a great idea. The military was good for me. If the draft was reinstated, the right wing would be less willing to send young men and women off to war over a lie. They have no problem screwing over a bunch of poor people, but it would be something else if it were their own children. Pretty clear and hard to deny.
I've always said I think that's a great idea. The military was good for me. If the draft was reinstated, the left wing would be less willing to send young men and women off to war over a lie. They have no problem screwing over a bunch of poor people, but it would be something else if it were their own children. Pretty clear and hard to deny.
Hint: the word you're looking for is "censured."Rangel always has wanted the draft reinstated--and even though he has been "censored" on the house floor for tax evasion you liberal keep reelecting him anyway.
Why do we need a draft? There are people lined up for miles trying to get in, both officer and enlisted. The services can take their pick from the best of the best. Plus, we are in a drawdown. As usual, Rangel proves that he is a kook.
Like my son has said, he'd rather have someone fighting next to him that WANTS to be there and not someone forced to be.
FACT: Anyone, draftee or volunteer, who WANTS to get shot at is fucking CRAZY.
Like my son has said, he'd rather have someone fighting next to him that WANTS to be there and not someone forced to be. My husband joined the Marines in 1970, went to Viet Nam and he said you knew who you could count on and who you couldn't. Anyone forced to do something they don't want to do is not going to do their job to the fullest. Unless a World War broke out and we HAD TO have more military, then no, they need to leave it alone!
I was thinking that if the OWS was first to be called, let's do it. But your son and husband have good points. You have changed my mind. Thanks for the post.
I agree with him. I think it's the best thing we could do for a number of reasons, first of which is it would have prevented Bush from lying us into invading Iraq and we would not have emulated Russia's debacle in Afghanistan, which is exactly what we're doing today.
Another reason is we would have an enormous reserve of trained soldiers in the civilian sector who could be called up and deployed in weeks instead of months (as was the case in WW-II) in the event of emergency.
Another very good reason is a conscript army is a Peoples' army, whereas an enlisted army is a mercenary army in service to its employer -- the government.
And anyone who believes a conscripted army is inferior to a volunteer army is disrespectfully ignoring the performance of our troops in WW-II.
why does anyone give a shit what this guy has to say?
Rangel was born in Harlem in New York City, and had a somewhat troubled childhood. He earned a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his service in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, where he led a group of soldiers out of a deadly Chinese Army encirclement during the Battle of Kunu-ri in 1950. Rangel graduated from New York University in 1957, and St. John's University School of Law in 1960. He then worked as a private lawyer, Assistant U.S. Attorney, and legal counsel during the early-mid 1960s. He served two terms in the New York State Assembly, from 1967 to 1970, and then defeated long-time incumbent Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. in a primary challenge on his way to being elected to the House of Representatives.
Charles B. Rangel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyone who would want to be involved in something like Vietnam, is seriously bent.Like my son has said, he'd rather have someone fighting next to him that WANTS to be there and not someone forced to be. My husband joined the Marines in 1970, went to Viet Nam and he said you knew who you could count on and who you couldn't. Anyone forced to do something they don't want to do is not going to do their job to the fullest. Unless a World War broke out and we HAD TO have more military, then no, they need to leave it alone!
Luckily for me I got out of the Corps and completed my Reserve obligation before Vietnam got started. If I had gotten trapped into that debacle I would have done what was required of me but I would have been one pissed off trooper in spite of the fact that I'd enlisted.
I became a Vietnam protester and I can tell you for sure that were it not for the draft it is likely we would have stayed there as long as there were people stupid enough, or deluded enough, or hard-up enough for bonus money to enlist. The majority of those fighting in Vietnam were draftees and a significant percentage of the protesters were draft-eligible young men, their family members, and 'Nam vets, many of whom had been drafted but survived and were pissed off at having been put through it for no good reason. I have absolutely no doubt that because of Vietnam if the draft were still active Bush could not have gotten approval to invade Iraq and we would not be in Afghanistan today.
If you are skeptical about what I've said I suggest you read Ron Kovic's book, Born On The Fourth Of July. He tells it like it is with no Gung Ho bs. And if you don't wish to read the book, see the movie. It comes close.
ANd I thank him for his service and salute his bravery while in the military.why does anyone give a shit what this guy has to say?
Rangel was born in Harlem in New York City, and had a somewhat troubled childhood. He earned a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his service in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, where he led a group of soldiers out of a deadly Chinese Army encirclement during the Battle of Kunu-ri in 1950. Rangel graduated from New York University in 1957, and St. John's University School of Law in 1960. He then worked as a private lawyer, Assistant U.S. Attorney, and legal counsel during the early-mid 1960s. He served two terms in the New York State Assembly, from 1967 to 1970, and then defeated long-time incumbent Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. in a primary challenge on his way to being elected to the House of Representatives.
Charles B. Rangel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I do. He was one of those "troops" you guys bray on such much about supporting.
ANd I thank him for his service and salute his bravery while in the military.why does anyone give a shit what this guy has to say?
Rangel was born in Harlem in New York City, and had a somewhat troubled childhood. He earned a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his service in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, where he led a group of soldiers out of a deadly Chinese Army encirclement during the Battle of Kunu-ri in 1950. Rangel graduated from New York University in 1957, and St. John's University School of Law in 1960. He then worked as a private lawyer, Assistant U.S. Attorney, and legal counsel during the early-mid 1960s. He served two terms in the New York State Assembly, from 1967 to 1970, and then defeated long-time incumbent Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. in a primary challenge on his way to being elected to the House of Representatives.
Charles B. Rangel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I do. He was one of those "troops" you guys bray on such much about supporting.
However, his corruption while in office is of more concern to me now, and is why I have no real interest in anything he has to say.
ANd I thank him for his service and salute his bravery while in the military.I do. He was one of those "troops" you guys bray on such much about supporting.
However, his corruption while in office is of more concern to me now, and is why I have no real interest in anything he has to say.
What corruption?
He got snagged for making a mistake on his taxes.
You want real corruption? Look no further then Newt. That's what corruption looks like. Circa big lobby bucks.
Veteran Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., today became the first U.S. House member in 27 years to be censured after a long trial that resulted in him being convicted on 11 counts of ethics violations.
The censure, the highest punishment short of expulsion, is reserved for serious offenses and requires the member in question to stand before his or her colleagues while a censure resolution is read.
An amendment reducing the punishment to reprimand prior to the final vote failed overwhelmingly.
Not paying taxes on property fo 17 years is not a 'mistake'.Last month, the House ethics committee found Rangel guilty of 11 of 13 violations of House rules, including using official resources improperly to raise funds from businesses and foundations for a center at the City College of New York that's named after him.
He also was found guilty of not paying taxes for 17 years on a rental property he owns in the Dominican Republic, even as he chaired the committee in charge of writing tax laws.
It would certainly level the playing field between the "haves" and have nots"...
ANd I thank him for his service and salute his bravery while in the military.
However, his corruption while in office is of more concern to me now, and is why I have no real interest in anything he has to say.
What corruption?
He got snagged for making a mistake on his taxes.
You want real corruption? Look no further then Newt. That's what corruption looks like. Circa big lobby bucks.
you forgot this already?
Charles Rangel Censured for House Ethics Violations - ABC News
Veteran Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., today became the first U.S. House member in 27 years to be censured after a long trial that resulted in him being convicted on 11 counts of ethics violations.
The censure, the highest punishment short of expulsion, is reserved for serious offenses and requires the member in question to stand before his or her colleagues while a censure resolution is read.
An amendment reducing the punishment to reprimand prior to the final vote failed overwhelmingly.
Not paying taxes on property fo 17 years is not a 'mistake'.Last month, the House ethics committee found Rangel guilty of 11 of 13 violations of House rules, including using official resources improperly to raise funds from businesses and foundations for a center at the City College of New York that's named after him.
He also was found guilty of not paying taxes for 17 years on a rental property he owns in the Dominican Republic, even as he chaired the committee in charge of writing tax laws.