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For Progressives, there are no guiding principles, only what they say is true at the moment.
Conservatives, i.e., the Founders, believed that there are moral truths, right and wrong, and that these truths are permanent....and enshrined in the Constitution.
The result of infracting these truths will be atrocities and social disaster.

Progressives believe in a privatization of morality so complete that no code of conduct is generally accepted, to the point of ‘do what you can get away with’. These beliefs are aimed at the gratification of appetites and exhibit anarchistic impulses.
And, therefore, the Constitution must be eradicated.

" Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. …"
Woodrow Wilson




1. As far as Progressives are concerned, they are so very much smarter than the Founders, and, therefore, their understanding of the needs of society, summarized as 'social justice,' must not be denied!

Of course it is fairly simple to prove that the Founders were wiser, and, in fact, that the Progressives were corrupt and unethical: the Founders provided a mechanism to change the Constitution if necessary....Article five, the amendment process.

But for Progressives, substituting their caprice, known as 'case law,' if a far more streamlined process. Efficacy over ethics.

Neither the Constitution nor the will of the people should stand in their way!




2. The 'Progressive Era' began prior to Saturday, March 4, 1933, the date of Franklin Roosevelt's inauguration....but make no mistake: this friend of Joseph Stalin was central to the destruction of the Constitution.

Other players included three Progressives already on the Court: Louis Brandeis, who provided the mechanism for Woodrow Wilson's election in 1912, and Harlan Stone, and Benjamin Cardozo.

The fading hopes for America rested on the shoulders of four Madisonian justices: Pierce Butler,James McReynolds, George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter.
In the middle, Owen Roberts and Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes.




3. Two cases began the evisceration: in Article 1, section 10, which stated that no state may pass any " Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,..."

a. In the 1934 U.S. Supreme Court case Home Building & Loan Association v. Blaisdell, the “Four Horsemen” — the Madisonians — banded together in an unsuccessful attempt to hold back the forces of statism and collectivism, the Progressives.

b. The Blaisdells, like so many other Americans in the early 1930s, lacked the money to make their mortgage payments. They defaulted and the bank foreclosed, selling the home at the foreclosure sale. The Minnesota legislature had enacted a law that provided that a debtor could go to court and seek a further extension of time in which to redeem the property.

c. Did the Minnesota redemption law impair the loan contract between the building and loan association and the Blaisdells? It would seem rather obvious that it did. But in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held otherwise:it ruled in express contravention of the constitutional prohibition. And their leader, Franklin Roosevelt, was leading their charge on a national level.



Did I mention that Progressives on the courts feel no responsibility to obey the 'law of the land, the United States Constitution?
 
So which is your opinion and which is cutnpaste PoliticalSpice? I need to know before I destroy your argument.
 
For Progressives, there are no guiding principles, only what they say is true at the moment.
Conservatives, i.e., the Founders, believed that there are moral truths, right and wrong, and that these truths are permanent....and enshrined in the Constitution.
The result of infracting these truths will be atrocities and social disaster.

Progressives believe in a privatization of morality so complete that no code of conduct is generally accepted, to the point of ‘do what you can get away with’. These beliefs are aimed at the gratification of appetites and exhibit anarchistic impulses.
And, therefore, the Constitution must be eradicated.

" Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. …"
Woodrow Wilson




1. As far as Progressives are concerned, they are so very much smarter than the Founders, and, therefore, their understanding of the needs of society, summarized as 'social justice,' must not be denied!

Of course it is fairly simple to prove that the Founders were wiser, and, in fact, that the Progressives were corrupt and unethical: the Founders provided a mechanism to change the Constitution if necessary....Article five, the amendment process.

But for Progressives, substituting their caprice, known as 'case law,' if a far more streamlined process. Efficacy over ethics.

Neither the Constitution nor the will of the people should stand in their way!




2. The 'Progressive Era' began prior to Saturday, March 4, 1933, the date of Franklin Roosevelt's inauguration....but make no mistake: this friend of Joseph Stalin was central to the destruction of the Constitution.

Other players included three Progressives already on the Court: Louis Brandeis, who provided the mechanism for Woodrow Wilson's election in 1912, and Harlan Stone, and Benjamin Cardozo.

The fading hopes for America rested on the shoulders of four Madisonian justices: Pierce Butler,James McReynolds, George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter.
In the middle, Owen Roberts and Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes.




3. Two cases began the evisceration: in Article 1, section 10, which stated that no state may pass any " Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,..."

a. In the 1934 U.S. Supreme Court case Home Building & Loan Association v. Blaisdell, the “Four Horsemen” — the Madisonians — banded together in an unsuccessful attempt to hold back the forces of statism and collectivism, the Progressives.

b. The Blaisdells, like so many other Americans in the early 1930s, lacked the money to make their mortgage payments. They defaulted and the bank foreclosed, selling the home at the foreclosure sale. The Minnesota legislature had enacted a law that provided that a debtor could go to court and seek a further extension of time in which to redeem the property.

c. Did the Minnesota redemption law impair the loan contract between the building and loan association and the Blaisdells? It would seem rather obvious that it did. But in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held otherwise:it ruled in express contravention of the constitutional prohibition. And their leader, Franklin Roosevelt, was leading their charge on a national level.



Did I mention that Progressives on the courts feel no responsibility to obey the 'law of the land, the United States Constitution?

Social Security is constitutional.
 
For Progressives, there are no guiding principles, only what they say is true at the moment.
Conservatives, i.e., the Founders, believed that there are moral truths, right and wrong, and that these truths are permanent....and enshrined in the Constitution.
The result of infracting these truths will be atrocities and social disaster.

Progressives believe in a privatization of morality so complete that no code of conduct is generally accepted, to the point of ‘do what you can get away with’. These beliefs are aimed at the gratification of appetites and exhibit anarchistic impulses.
And, therefore, the Constitution must be eradicated.

" Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. …"
Woodrow Wilson




1. As far as Progressives are concerned, they are so very much smarter than the Founders, and, therefore, their understanding of the needs of society, summarized as 'social justice,' must not be denied!

Of course it is fairly simple to prove that the Founders were wiser, and, in fact, that the Progressives were corrupt and unethical: the Founders provided a mechanism to change the Constitution if necessary....Article five, the amendment process.

But for Progressives, substituting their caprice, known as 'case law,' if a far more streamlined process. Efficacy over ethics.

Neither the Constitution nor the will of the people should stand in their way!




2. The 'Progressive Era' began prior to Saturday, March 4, 1933, the date of Franklin Roosevelt's inauguration....but make no mistake: this friend of Joseph Stalin was central to the destruction of the Constitution.

Other players included three Progressives already on the Court: Louis Brandeis, who provided the mechanism for Woodrow Wilson's election in 1912, and Harlan Stone, and Benjamin Cardozo.

The fading hopes for America rested on the shoulders of four Madisonian justices: Pierce Butler,James McReynolds, George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter.
In the middle, Owen Roberts and Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes.




3. Two cases began the evisceration: in Article 1, section 10, which stated that no state may pass any " Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,..."

a. In the 1934 U.S. Supreme Court case Home Building & Loan Association v. Blaisdell, the “Four Horsemen” — the Madisonians — banded together in an unsuccessful attempt to hold back the forces of statism and collectivism, the Progressives.

b. The Blaisdells, like so many other Americans in the early 1930s, lacked the money to make their mortgage payments. They defaulted and the bank foreclosed, selling the home at the foreclosure sale. The Minnesota legislature had enacted a law that provided that a debtor could go to court and seek a further extension of time in which to redeem the property.

c. Did the Minnesota redemption law impair the loan contract between the building and loan association and the Blaisdells? It would seem rather obvious that it did. But in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court held otherwise:it ruled in express contravention of the constitutional prohibition. And their leader, Franklin Roosevelt, was leading their charge on a national level.



Did I mention that Progressives on the courts feel no responsibility to obey the 'law of the land, the United States Constitution?

Social Security is constitutional.



Now...why would you bring that up, as the subject has yet to be brought up?

Overly sensitive?

Of course it is not.....but you proved this, from the OP:
But for Progressives,substituting their caprice (for the words of the Constitution), known as 'case law,' if a far more streamlined process.
Efficacy over ethics.

Remember yesterday, where I showed that 'ethics' is an unknown concept for Democrats/Liberals....
Democrat s Moral Corruption US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
 
We are not the ones who created an OP that falls on its face as a logical fallacy.

The moron is the OP.
 
So, no one can deny that the Progressive court completely contravened Article 1, section 10, which stated that no state may pass any " Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,..." in anointing Blaisdell as constitutional.....


Must be the only time, huh?


Hardly.



4. The court also ruled against in Article 1, section 10 in finding that Congress's retroactive voiding of 'gold clauses' in contracts was constitutional. Congress was following Roosevelt's plan to take America off the gold standard, and remove the ability of Americans to hold, and use, gold: at the time, "gold clauses" were common, and they give creditors the option of receiving gold in payment of debts.

Four cases came before the Court in 1935, the "Gold Clause Cases," and in each the Court found it constitutional to 'impair loan contracts.'


The above is a perfect example of Progressive's use of the term 'interpret' the Constitution, when they actual rule counter to it.
(Covered in Charles Murray's "By The People")

The question in not whether the court was correct about right or wrong in each of these cases....but whether their decision was the exact opposite of the rule in the Constitution.
It was.




a. In 1935, the Supreme Court upheld the New Deal repudiation of gold payments in government contracts and private contracts .... Justice McReynolds declared in a dissenting opinion that "the Constitution as we have known it is gone." The Brookshire Times from Brookshire Texas Page 2




b. "For an originalist, direct evidence of the actual use of a word is the most important source of the word’s meaning. It is more important than referring to the ‘broader context,’ or the ‘larger context,’ or the ‘underlying principles,’ which is the means by which some jurists are able to turn ‘black’ into ‘white’, and ‘up’ into ‘down.’" “Originalism,” Steven Calabresi



The point:
If the Constitution is 'the law of the land,' how can those Progressive Justices not be counted as criminals???
 
5. Then, there was this Roosevelt-era case that had the same effect on the Constitution as Dorothy had in throwing a bucket of water on the Wicked Witch.




In it, you'll see the heavy hand of government coercion, so dearly loved by Progressives, the same as all other totalitarians.



"Nebbia v. New York,...(1934),[1]was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States determined that the state of New York could regulate (set and/or otherwise control) the price of milk for dairy farmers, dealers, and retailers.

Justice James C. McReynolds dissented from the majority opinion. His dissent was joined by JusticeWillis Van Devanter, JusticeGeorge Sutherland, and Justice Pierce Butler. These four Justices became nicknamed the Four Horsemen for their rejection of New Deal regulation.

McReynolds.... ultimately concluded that although “regulation to prevent recognized evils in business has long been upheld as permissible legislative action…fixation of the price at which A, engaged in an ordinary business, may sell, in order to enable B, a producer, to improve his condition, has not been regarded as within legislative power,” adding “This is not regulation, but management, control, dictation.”"
Nebbia v. New York - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"....but management, control, dictation."
Recognize what he was saying?
Government dictatorship.

De rigueur for Progressives.
 
6. There are theories as to why Justices, rewarded with life-time tenure, would buckle under and fail to resist Roosevelt and public pressure to obviate the US Constitution.


Some say Roosevelt's threats to pack the court, which didn't occur until early '37,

but more persuasive is the view that Americans suffering in the Depression weren't interested in constitutional limits.




But....when you leave principle behind....for any reason.....well....


"Hard cases make bad lawis anadageorlegal maxim. It means that an extreme case is a poor basis for a general law that would cover a wider range of less extreme cases. In other words, a general law is better drafted for the average circumstance as this will be more common. The word hard, as used here, may refer to those whose situations arouse sympathy."

Hard cases make bad law - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Did you get that 'uh, oh'?




In any case, Justices Roberts and Hughes were seduced into joining the three Progressives, Brandeis, Stone and Cardozo....

...and the Constitution was overwhelmed.



"The result was a series of judicial hammer blows that removed the barriers to federal power that the founders had put in place." Murray, "By The People," p. 16



Justice Roberts, writing in 1951, said in effect: "We voted against the Constitution to save the Court."
 
None of the Leftists have been able to deny the truth of the OP,and the thread....that Progressives, Liberals, have attempted to destroy what this country was meant to be, as memorialized in the Constitution.

And they've been largely successful.
You see, the Constitution is what stood in their way to total power, and the end of any checks and balances.


7. Madison wrote, in Federalist #47, " No political truth is certainly of greater intrinsic value, or is stamped with the authority of more enlightened patrons of liberty, than that on which the objection is founded. The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."
The Federalist 47

Therein lies the description of Roosevelt.


a. In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the President manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation."




8. It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: "Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly,"The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63



Where are the real Americans ready to rise up and re-institute our Constitution???
 
9. " On April 12, 1937, the United States ceased to be a republic of limited constitutional government. The Supreme Court upheld the Wagner Labor Relations Act.
No longer would the enumerated powers of the Constitution apply....now we would be a European model welfare state, in which the national legislature has power to regulate industry, agriculture, and virtually all the activities of the citizens.

The coda came when the court upheld the Social Security Act on May 24, 1937, and, then, the compulsory marketing quotas of the new AAA, on April 17, 1936."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 68-69



The last attempts by an independent Supreme Court can be found here:

10. In invalidating the Guffey-Vinson Coal Act on May 18, 1936, less than a year before Roosevelt attempted to pack the court, Justice Charles Evans Hughes said that federal laws restricting local labor relations provisions were unconstitutional, that "the relations of employer and employee is a local relation" and "the evils are all local evils over which the federal government has no legislative control."


He went on to say "Otherwise in view of the multitude of indirect effects Congress in its discretion could assume control of virtually all of the activities of the people to the subversion of the fundamental principles of the Constitution." And..."... it is not for the court to amend the Constitution by judicial decision."
Manly, p. 70.



a. And in the Bituminous Coal Act of 1935 in conflict with the Constitution, this was said by Chief Justice Hughes:
"If the people desire to give Congress the power to regulate industries within the State, and the relation of employers and employees in those industries, they are at liberty to declare their will in the appropriate manner; but it is not for the Court to amend the Constitution by judicial decision." http://www.barefootsworld.net/nortonuc08.html]

He was saying that said power is in the amendment process.




Sadly, eleven months later, Chief Justice Hughes, spoke for the majority in finding the Wagner Labor Relations Act constitutional. Yes, he said...Congress could regulate labor relations in manufacturing plants.


Constitution. R.I.P.




What have we learned today?
The sad demise of the once great nation, at the hands of Progressives.
The Roosevelt court began with murder in it's heart.....

...and finally perpetrated that crime with the Constitution as its victim.
 

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