Christian Bake Shop Must Serve Gakes

[Katzndogz]

The bakery is no different than a restaurant. A restaurant cannot choose to only serve the people they like. If you're going to go there, then you are suggesting that businesses should not have to serve black people if they didn't want to. Hell I suppose they could refuse to serve Democrats too then. "You can only be served if you wear your white cloth from the KKK". Great!

No one at the bakery refused to serve the gay customer. That's where your whole argument falls down. If the gay customer had walked in and wanted to buy a dozen chocolate chip cookies and been refused, THEN you would have a valid comparison.

The law doesn't provide for the business to have separate offerings for straight couples and gay couples just as they can't have separate offerings for blacks and for white and for interracial couples.

The law says "full and equal".

It's not about whether they would refuse to sell the gay customer a cupcake while offering wedding cakes only to heterosexuals. It's about refusing to sell the same goods offered.

Establishments cannot have separate menus based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, and marital status - under the Colorado law.



>>>>

A special order is a special order. However, I agree if the bakery advertises wedding cakes to the general public they should have to make wedding cakes for same sex couples. The answer is then to stop advertising wedding cakes completely. You can get one IF you know the baker or know someone who could vouch for you. The baking of wedding cakes could move underground with the best cakes depending on who you know. Or, just walk in and take your cake off the shelf.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The law doesn't provide for the business to have separate offerings for straight couples and gay couples just as they can't have separate offerings for blacks and for white and for interracial couples.

The law says "full and equal".

It's not about whether they would refuse to sell the gay customer a cupcake while offering wedding cakes only to heterosexuals. It's about refusing to sell the same goods offered.

Establishments cannot have separate menus based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, and marital status - under the Colorado law.

Another sissy squid chapter of internet lawyering.... The cake was a "custom" order...how many more times? As Katz has pointed out repeatedly, the queers weren't denied anything another customer could buy.

That's why they won their hearing right? Oh wait!

Another customer (i.e. different-sex couple) could buy a wedding cake, this customer (same-sex couple) was refused the same thing. So that logic that they could buy anything that another customer could buy is false.

"Custom Order" has nothing to do with it. The store routinely did "custom orders" and advertized specifically for "wedding cakes".

The fact that they feel they might be justified in selling "wedding cakes" to same race couples but only cupcakes to interracial couples does not mean they didn't break the law.


>>>>

 

[WorldWatcher]

No one at the bakery refused to serve the gay customer. That's where your whole argument falls down. If the gay customer had walked in and wanted to buy a dozen chocolate chip cookies and been refused, THEN you would have a valid comparison.

The law doesn't provide for the business to have separate offerings for straight couples and gay couples just as they can't have separate offerings for blacks and for white and for interracial couples.

The law says "full and equal".

It's not about whether they would refuse to sell the gay customer a cupcake while offering wedding cakes only to heterosexuals. It's about refusing to sell the same goods offered.

Establishments cannot have separate menus based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, and marital status - under the Colorado law.



>>>>

A special order is a special order. However, I agree if the bakery advertises wedding cakes to the general public they should have to make wedding cakes for same sex couples. The answer is then to stop advertising wedding cakes completely. You can get one IF you know the baker or know someone who could vouch for you. The baking of wedding cakes could move underground with the best cakes depending on who you know. Or, just walk in and take your cake off the shelf.

Yep. It would just require them to change their business model to comply with the law.



>>>>

 

[Katzndogz]

The law doesn't provide for the business to have separate offerings for straight couples and gay couples just as they can't have separate offerings for blacks and for white and for interracial couples.

The law says "full and equal".

It's not about whether they would refuse to sell the gay customer a cupcake while offering wedding cakes only to heterosexuals. It's about refusing to sell the same goods offered.

Establishments cannot have separate menus based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, and marital status - under the Colorado law.



>>>>

A special order is a special order. However, I agree if the bakery advertises wedding cakes to the general public they should have to make wedding cakes for same sex couples. The answer is then to stop advertising wedding cakes completely. You can get one IF you know the baker or know someone who could vouch for you. The baking of wedding cakes could move underground with the best cakes depending on who you know. Or, just walk in and take your cake off the shelf.

Yep. It would just require them to change their business model to comply with the law.



>>>>

It would require a change in the business model but only slightly. It is highly unlikely that they would suffer more than a slight loss in income. They will still be making wedding cakes, just not offering wedding cakes to the general public.

Having businesses move part or even all of their operations underground operating by word of mouth and personal recommendation only is an expected response to tyranny and an overbearing government. The more laws that are passed, the more creative people have to be in maneuvering around the oppressive laws.

 

[Barb]

A special order is a special order. However, I agree if the bakery advertises wedding cakes to the general public they should have to make wedding cakes for same sex couples. The answer is then to stop advertising wedding cakes completely. You can get one IF you know the baker or know someone who could vouch for you. The baking of wedding cakes could move underground with the best cakes depending on who you know. Or, just walk in and take your cake off the shelf.

Yep. It would just require them to change their business model to comply with the law.



>>>>

It would require a change in the business model but only slightly. It is highly unlikely that they would suffer more than a slight loss in income. They will still be making wedding cakes, just not offering wedding cakes to the general public.

Having businesses move part or even all of their operations underground operating by word of mouth and personal recommendation only is an expected response to tyranny and an overbearing government. The more laws that are passed, the more creative people have to be in maneuvering around the oppressive laws.

Sheets and pillow cases can be bought pretty cheap if the thread count isn't too high.

People of conscience DO have the opportunity to shop elsewhere if assholes properly identify themselves.

I see that as a win / win.

 

[Nosmo King]

A special order is a special order. However, I agree if the bakery advertises wedding cakes to the general public they should have to make wedding cakes for same sex couples. The answer is then to stop advertising wedding cakes completely. You can get one IF you know the baker or know someone who could vouch for you. The baking of wedding cakes could move underground with the best cakes depending on who you know. Or, just walk in and take your cake off the shelf.

Yep. It would just require them to change their business model to comply with the law.



>>>>

It would require a change in the business model but only slightly. It is highly unlikely that they would suffer more than a slight loss in income. They will still be making wedding cakes, just not offering wedding cakes to the general public.

Having businesses move part or even all of their operations underground operating by word of mouth and personal recommendation only is an expected response to tyranny and an overbearing government. The more laws that are passed, the more creative people have to be in maneuvering around the oppressive laws.

It would not require a single change in the business model. No business person would ever be so fiscally suicidal.

The supplies to make a straight cake happen to be the exact same supplies it takes to make a gay cake. The mixers, the ovens, the ingredients, the skilled artisans and craftsman. The notion of going underground as a retail baker just so you can deny a small portion of the potential business that contacts you is ridiculous. In the competitive marketplace can one business afford to eliminate advertising or offering a service widely recognized as a tent pole service like wedding cakes? For what? So you cannot only lose the gay business, but all that straight walk in trade too?

Just so you can believe one of two utterly moronic notions namely: I offend God when I do business with sinners OR, I hate gays and this is the way I show it.

Are there business people stupid enough to take the low road and expect to come out on top? Are there such manic ideologes that they would sacrifice their own success just to adhere to dogma driven by fear?

You see, the only change in the business model has to happen between people's ears, not their bottom line.

 

[Katzndogz]

If you believe that participating in a same sex wedding is a sin, a small, probably temporary loss in income is a small price to pay. After all men and women have been tortured and killed for their faith. There is a Christian pastor in an Iranian prison right now who is refusing to renounce his faith. Is someone so hypocritical that they will betray their own principles for the price of a wedding cake? I hope they are few.

What the US should do is start throwing a few Christians in prison for refusing to renounce their faith and commit this kind of sin. Show the whole world that we are no better than the totalitarian regimes we pretend to oppose. Certainly do it soon there is an election coming up.

 

[Katzndogz]

By the way PLENTY of bakeries don't make wedding cakes now. They do just fine. Or they might do wedding cakes for special friends.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yep. It would just require them to change their business model to comply with the law.



>>>>

It would require a change in the business model but only slightly. It is highly unlikely that they would suffer more than a slight loss in income. They will still be making wedding cakes, just not offering wedding cakes to the general public.

Having businesses move part or even all of their operations underground operating by word of mouth and personal recommendation only is an expected response to tyranny and an overbearing government. The more laws that are passed, the more creative people have to be in maneuvering around the oppressive laws.

It would not require a single change in the business model. No business person would ever be so fiscally suicidal.

The supplies to make a straight cake happen to be the exact same supplies it takes to make a gay cake. The mixers, the ovens, the ingredients, the skilled artisans and craftsman. The notion of going underground as a retail baker just so you can deny a small portion of the potential business that contacts you is ridiculous. In the competitive marketplace can one business afford to eliminate advertising or offering a service widely recognized as a tent pole service like wedding cakes? For what? So you cannot only lose the gay business, but all that straight walk in trade too?

Just so you can believe one of two utterly moronic notions namely: I offend God when I do business with sinners OR, I hate gays and this is the way I show it.

Are there business people stupid enough to take the low road and expect to come out on top? Are there such manic ideologes that they would sacrifice their own success just to adhere to dogma driven by fear?

You see, the only change in the business model has to happen between people's ears, not their bottom line.

Does your brain even process information? I am just asking because I have specifically addressed this drivel from you more than once, yet you keep insisting that you are right, and that no other opinion even counts as being a real opinion.

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem lies in the belief that selling a wedding cake to a gay couple is a sin. It's not. Even if you believe gay sex is wrong, doing business with sinners is not wrong.

Would this baker refuse to make a wedding cake for a man who left his wife to marry his mistress? These people are sinners so using this baker's logic, he would be committing a sin by baking their cake.

Baking a cake is not a sin. The baker is just trying to use his religion to justify his prejudice.

 

[Katzndogz]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

 

[Asclepias]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

 

[BullKurtz]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

None of you atheist humps get to decide what is and what is not a sin to a Christian....I know that's hard on you with all your recent successes in throwing religion out of the schools and public venues. How's that working out? Sandy Hook and Columbine is on you, not the nation's gun-owners. You've given children nothing to believe in or be fearful of should they decide to murder their classmates. You've taught them their hatred is justifiable if the targets represent what is okay to hate. When you sanctified abortion you cheapened life to the extent a court could even overrule a family's desire to keep their comatose daughter alive.

You've packed the courts with bookworm statists who no longer require a "so help me God" before lying on the stand. Nobody gets prosecuted for perjury anymore because you atheist humps consider lying an artform not a transgression on the legal process. The other day an atheist hump judge let a kid who killed 4 people in a car wreck walk because he was spoiled...he'd never learned right from wrong. That is now considered a valid defense in a murder trial.

There is literally nothing you atheist humps can't turn into a parody claiming as a "progressive" you're smarter and care more than regular people and can thus tinker with anything society has found to work. What's ironic is those who are doing this damage in your name, couldn't care less if you walk into the crossfire. They will sacrifice your atheist hump ass on a whim to keep themselves in charge of your life as well as those you're setting them upon.

p.s. Business licenses are given for any legal enterprise for the purpose of collecting tax revenue. That's it. They do not spell out how or in what way the owner should conduct his business. Be very careful trying to toy around with business. Without free enterprise, there is not tax money. Without tax money, your statist masters can't get a paycheck or be paid any attention to. And that guts you like a trout in your quest to mind everybody else's business for them.

 

[Asclepias]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

None of you atheist humps get to decide what is and what is not a sin to a Christian....I know that's hard on you with all your recent successes in throwing religion out of the schools and public venues. How's that working out? Sandy Hook and Columbine is on you, not the nation's gun-owners. You've given children nothing to believe in or be fearful of should they decide to murder their classmates. You've taught them their hatred is justifiable if the targets represent what is okay to hate. When you sanctified abortion you cheapened life to the extent a court could even overrule a family's desire to keep their comatose daughter alive.

You've packed the courts with bookworm statists who no longer require a "so help me God" before lying on the stand. Nobody gets prosecuted for perjury anymore because you atheist humps consider lying an artform not a transgression on the legal process. The other day an atheist hump judge let a kid who killed 4 people in a car wreck walk because he was spoiled...he'd never learned right from wrong. That is now considered a valid defense in a murder trial.

There is literally nothing you atheist humps can't turn into a parody claiming as a "progressive" you're smarter and care more than regular people and can thus tinker with anything society has found to work. What's ironic is those who are doing this damage in your name, couldn't care less if you walk into the crossfire. They will sacrifice your atheist hump ass on a whim to keep themselves in charge of your life as well as those you're setting them upon.

p.s. Business licenses are given for any legal enterprise for the purpose of collecting tax revenue. That's it. They do not spell out how or in what way the owner should conduct his business. Be very careful trying to toy around with business. Without free enterprise, there is not tax money. Without tax money, your statist masters can't get a paycheck or be paid any attention to. And that guts you like a trout in your quest to mind everybody else's business for them.

All that effort put into a long rant must have put a tremendous strain on your brain. Stll you forgot or are unaware of 2 important points.

I am not an atheist.

You are not a Christian.

 

[Katzndogz]

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

None of you atheist humps get to decide what is and what is not a sin to a Christian....I know that's hard on you with all your recent successes in throwing religion out of the schools and public venues. How's that working out? Sandy Hook and Columbine is on you, not the nation's gun-owners. You've given children nothing to believe in or be fearful of should they decide to murder their classmates. You've taught them their hatred is justifiable if the targets represent what is okay to hate. When you sanctified abortion you cheapened life to the extent a court could even overrule a family's desire to keep their comatose daughter alive.

You've packed the courts with bookworm statists who no longer require a "so help me God" before lying on the stand. Nobody gets prosecuted for perjury anymore because you atheist humps consider lying an artform not a transgression on the legal process. The other day an atheist hump judge let a kid who killed 4 people in a car wreck walk because he was spoiled...he'd never learned right from wrong. That is now considered a valid defense in a murder trial.

There is literally nothing you atheist humps can't turn into a parody claiming as a "progressive" you're smarter and care more than regular people and can thus tinker with anything society has found to work. What's ironic is those who are doing this damage in your name, couldn't care less if you walk into the crossfire. They will sacrifice your atheist hump ass on a whim to keep themselves in charge of your life as well as those you're setting them upon.

p.s. Business licenses are given for any legal enterprise for the purpose of collecting tax revenue. That's it. They do not spell out how or in what way the owner should conduct his business. Be very careful trying to toy around with business. Without free enterprise, there is not tax money. Without tax money, your statist masters can't get a paycheck or be paid any attention to. And that guts you like a trout in your quest to mind everybody else's business for them.

All that effort put into a long rant must have put a tremendous strain on your brain. Stll you forgot or are unaware of 2 important points.

I am not an atheist.

You are not a Christian.

You get to say you are not an atheist. You don't get to judge who is a Christian or not.

 

[Katzndogz]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

The baker was not judging anyone but himself. He was saying "I will not commit this sin". He didn't care what anyone else did.

 

[Camp]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

The baker was not judging anyone but himself. He was saying "I will not commit this sin". He didn't care what anyone else did.

When did baking a cake become a sin? Do we all get to cherry pick the old testement, give the selected portions our own interpretation and determine for ourselves what a "sin" is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The problem lies in the belief that selling a wedding cake to a gay couple is a sin. It's not. Even if you believe gay sex is wrong, doing business with sinners is not wrong.

Would this baker refuse to make a wedding cake for a man who left his wife to marry his mistress? These people are sinners so using this baker's logic, he would be committing a sin by baking their cake.

Baking a cake is not a sin. The baker is just trying to use his religion to justify his prejudice.

Are you God? If not, what the fuck gives you the right to impose your fucking religious beliefs on others?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Baking a cake is not a sin. The gay couple could walk into that bakery and buy any cake they wanted. The baker did not want to participate in a same sex wedding which is different. And would be solved by his electing not to bake wedding cakes anymore except for people he knows or has someone he knows vouch for them.

If the baker KNOWS that a man who divorced his wife to marry his mistress he might very well refuse to make that wedding cake. In this case, he KNEW that the couple was a same sex couple.

We are really becoming just like Iran or Saudi Arabia, we are punishing people for their religious belief. We should just admit it and start putting people who refuse to renounce their faith and sin in prison. Make it official.

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

We can do that right after you show me where the Koran tells us not to judge people. Hell, I will make it easy for you and let you use a book you pretend that you know, show me where the Bible tells us not to judge people. In the meantime, you can stop imposing your religion on others simply because you think there was a massive conspiracy by whitey to hide the fact that ancient Africans came from Mars.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Even better maybe we should start refusing business licensing to people that sin by ignoring Gods instructions to not judge people.

None of you atheist humps get to decide what is and what is not a sin to a Christian....I know that's hard on you with all your recent successes in throwing religion out of the schools and public venues. How's that working out? Sandy Hook and Columbine is on you, not the nation's gun-owners. You've given children nothing to believe in or be fearful of should they decide to murder their classmates. You've taught them their hatred is justifiable if the targets represent what is okay to hate. When you sanctified abortion you cheapened life to the extent a court could even overrule a family's desire to keep their comatose daughter alive.

You've packed the courts with bookworm statists who no longer require a "so help me God" before lying on the stand. Nobody gets prosecuted for perjury anymore because you atheist humps consider lying an artform not a transgression on the legal process. The other day an atheist hump judge let a kid who killed 4 people in a car wreck walk because he was spoiled...he'd never learned right from wrong. That is now considered a valid defense in a murder trial.

There is literally nothing you atheist humps can't turn into a parody claiming as a "progressive" you're smarter and care more than regular people and can thus tinker with anything society has found to work. What's ironic is those who are doing this damage in your name, couldn't care less if you walk into the crossfire. They will sacrifice your atheist hump ass on a whim to keep themselves in charge of your life as well as those you're setting them upon.

p.s. Business licenses are given for any legal enterprise for the purpose of collecting tax revenue. That's it. They do not spell out how or in what way the owner should conduct his business. Be very careful trying to toy around with business. Without free enterprise, there is not tax money. Without tax money, your statist masters can't get a paycheck or be paid any attention to. And that guts you like a trout in your quest to mind everybody else's business for them.

All that effort put into a long rant must have put a tremendous strain on your brain. Stll you forgot or are unaware of 2 important points.

I am not an atheist.

You are not a Christian.

Let me get this straight, you are a Christian that judges other people even though you say it is a sin to judge other people. That either makes you a hypocritical sack of shit, or a lying sack of shit. Which is it?