Circumcision

[anotherlife]

On another thread the other day, thread topic involved Female Genital Mutilation, one of the great evils, someone responded to me "what about male genital multilation?"

I said to them that there was no similarity at all between Female Genital Mutilation and male circumcision, for there to be essentially the entire penis pretty much would have to be removed.

Here is the link to the FGM thread I refer to:

Increased "risk" of female genital mutilation?

The response though has me curious, male genital "mutilation"

So for the males who've been circumcised, do you think you've been mutilated?

Would you have preferred to have been given a choice to have been circumcised, rather than your parents make that choice for you as a baby and/or child?

Or are you quite happy with the situation?

Edited to add link.

The reason why a lot of boys are circumcised is for cleanliness sake. It makes it easier for a little boy to clean. Some men who are not circumcised actually end up being circumcised as adults. I think it is much less painful and traumatizing when they are newborns and can't remember. They also heal faster. Circumcision can also help prevent the spread of STDs.

Is that because girls just don't trust men to wash their dicks? Even if men wash it?

 

[Iceweasel]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

No. The New Testament makes a point to stop circumcision, when Jesus argues in the gospels that it doesn't make men more moral.

So the ten commandments no longer matter? Sure the law was done away with but the fact is OT principles are very much embraced in Christianity. God had them circumcised for a reason and God knows best.

 

[Anong]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

Yes, 80++% of them are circumcised, hence they are gay. They want to be circumcised because they want to be gay. In America, being a queered fag poofter gay dick is the fastest way to make money. Most of my clients are gay men. They have more money than anyone else. If you are from Asia, let us know what the Asian preference is, circumcision, or keeping the dick in its original form? Which way does it look better, anyway?

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

 

[anotherlife]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

No. The New Testament makes a point to stop circumcision, when Jesus argues in the gospels that it doesn't make men more moral.

So the ten commandments no longer matter? Sure the law was done away with but the fact is OT principles are very much embraced in Christianity. God had them circumcised for a reason and God knows best.

Galatians 5:2 against circumcision:

2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4

 

[anotherlife]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

Yes, 80++% of them are circumcised, hence they are gay. They want to be circumcised because they want to be gay. In America, being a queered fag poofter gay dick is the fastest way to make money. Most of my clients are gay men. They have more money than anyone else. If you are from Asia, let us know what the Asian preference is, circumcision, or keeping the dick in its original form? Which way does it look better, anyway?

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

 

[Iceweasel]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

No. The New Testament makes a point to stop circumcision, when Jesus argues in the gospels that it doesn't make men more moral.

So the ten commandments no longer matter? Sure the law was done away with but the fact is OT principles are very much embraced in Christianity. God had them circumcised for a reason and God knows best.

Galatians 5:2 against circumcision:

2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4

He was talking about the bigger issue. You can cherry pick for any point but being circumcised didn't have meaning to god anymore since the law was null and void, payed in full as the theme goes.

However, you are assuming Christianity wasn't a religion that established tradition. I'm not saying it's right but the church is the church.

History of Circumcision
In the Western world, circumcision has long been associated with the Jew Abraham (c. 2000 BC) and the Jewish people. It must be noted that during a famine in Judea, Abraham sojourned in Egypt in c. 2000 BC and became friends with the Pharaoh. (Genesis 12:10-20) Perhaps he learned about circumcision there. Because Abraham is the father of all who have faith in the one God and in His Son Jesus, the Messiah, (Romans 4:16) Christians revere Abraham and many have always circumcised their children. Jesus of Nazareth was circumcised:

 

[strollingbones]

son should be like father....if a man is clean he is clean regardless...if a man is nasty ..he is nasty regardless...sadly you just cant have an apple head without that pesky foreskin being gone...

 

[Iceweasel]

son should be like father....if a man is clean he is clean regardless...if a man is nasty ..he is nasty regardless...sadly you just cant have an apple head without that pesky foreskin being gone...

Sure you can. Just polish the apple.

 

[strollingbones]

its just not the same.....take my word for it...and how do you know about apple polishing?

 

[anotherlife]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

No. The New Testament makes a point to stop circumcision, when Jesus argues in the gospels that it doesn't make men more moral.

So the ten commandments no longer matter? Sure the law was done away with but the fact is OT principles are very much embraced in Christianity. God had them circumcised for a reason and God knows best.

Galatians 5:2 against circumcision:

2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4

He was talking about the bigger issue. You can cherry pick for any point but being circumcised didn't have meaning to god anymore since the law was null and void, payed in full as the theme goes.

However, you are assuming Christianity wasn't a religion that established tradition. I'm not saying it's right but the church is the church.

History of Circumcision
In the Western world, circumcision has long been associated with the Jew Abraham (c. 2000 BC) and the Jewish people. It must be noted that during a famine in Judea, Abraham sojourned in Egypt in c. 2000 BC and became friends with the Pharaoh. (Genesis 12:10-20) Perhaps he learned about circumcision there. Because Abraham is the father of all who have faith in the one God and in His Son Jesus, the Messiah, (Romans 4:16) Christians revere Abraham and many have always circumcised their children. Jesus of Nazareth was circumcised:

I think circumcision has become more about gay envy in modern times instead of God's laws. I know that circumcised men marvel in my uncircumcised one to the point, that they even exercise mine pushing it up and down. This strong is their gay envy to recapture what was taken away from them. It is possible, that they wouldn't be gay, if they hadn't been circumcised and made envious thereby in the first place.

 

[Iceweasel]

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

No. The New Testament makes a point to stop circumcision, when Jesus argues in the gospels that it doesn't make men more moral.

So the ten commandments no longer matter? Sure the law was done away with but the fact is OT principles are very much embraced in Christianity. God had them circumcised for a reason and God knows best.

Galatians 5:2 against circumcision:

2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4

He was talking about the bigger issue. You can cherry pick for any point but being circumcised didn't have meaning to god anymore since the law was null and void, payed in full as the theme goes.

However, you are assuming Christianity wasn't a religion that established tradition. I'm not saying it's right but the church is the church.

History of Circumcision
In the Western world, circumcision has long been associated with the Jew Abraham (c. 2000 BC) and the Jewish people. It must be noted that during a famine in Judea, Abraham sojourned in Egypt in c. 2000 BC and became friends with the Pharaoh. (Genesis 12:10-20) Perhaps he learned about circumcision there. Because Abraham is the father of all who have faith in the one God and in His Son Jesus, the Messiah, (Romans 4:16) Christians revere Abraham and many have always circumcised their children. Jesus of Nazareth was circumcised:

I think circumcision has become more about gay envy in modern times instead of God's laws. I know that circumcised men marvel in my uncircumcised one to the point, that they even exercise mine pushing it up and down. This strong is their gay envy to recapture what was taken away from them. It is possible, that they wouldn't be gay, if they hadn't been circumcised and made envious thereby in the first place.

I think no one is manning your wheelhouse.

 

[Agit8r]

Circumcision causes gayness. It cuts away your neuro-sensors for sex, so the only way you can make yourself whole again is to take it from other dicks. This is the sub-conscious psycho-analysis of circumcision, and of the process of becoming gay. Would you like to be gay?

um, what?

 

[anotherlife]

Circumcision causes gayness. It cuts away your neuro-sensors for sex, so the only way you can make yourself whole again is to take it from other dicks. This is the sub-conscious psycho-analysis of circumcision, and of the process of becoming gay. Would you like to be gay?

um, what?

What, you don't like my newly printed clinical psychology degree?

 

[Agit8r]

Circumcision causes gayness. It cuts away your neuro-sensors for sex, so the only way you can make yourself whole again is to take it from other dicks. This is the sub-conscious psycho-analysis of circumcision, and of the process of becoming gay. Would you like to be gay?

um, what?

What, you don't like my newly printed clinical psychology degree?

It might make guys more misogynistic, but lots of straight guys are misogynistic. It might make a guy more dependent on visual stimulus, but if one doesn't like looking at dudes, that isn't going to swing things in that favor.

 

[PK1]

Jesus of Nazareth was circumcised

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"Jesus of Nazareth was circumcised"

How do you know that?
1) What's your source?
2) What is the source of the person claiming that in your source?
3) Was Jesus observed naked, or was it assumed he was circumcised because he came from a Jewish family?
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[PK1]

... muslims are circumcised-------
Hindus are not circumcised----

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Wikipedia agrees with you about who is circumcised:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated that globally one-third of males aged 15 years and over are circumcised, with almost 70% of those being Muslims.

Prevalence of circumcision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, unless one is a Muslim or Jew, it's not a big deal to be natural.
.

I have read that at one point in America that 90% of males had been circumcised, this was from turn of 20th Century until about the mid-1960s, this now has diminished significantly. Canada though didn't mimic her American neighbours, Canada never had a high rate of circumcision, I don't know if this is because they followed the lines of their Commonwealth kin.

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I've often wondered why there's been such a high circumcision rate (70-80%) in USA, whereas most immigrants came from countries with low rates.

I've concluded one main factor is MONEY ... for the medical profession (& Dental which loves X-rays).
In USA, money is king. Follow the money to understand decisions by the rich & powerful.
Circumcision procedure = income.

USA doctors also advise their patients to use anesthesia, even when not necessary.
In my own case, i had a colonoscopy without anesthesia, although anesthesia is standard procedure in USA but not in other countries.
I also had my wisdom teeth pulled while conscious, against the doc's advise. The alternative, NO2 (laughing gas), was a lot of fun & the procedure only took 12 minutes!
I'm sure my doctor's colleagues were not happy that i reduced their income.

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colonoscopy is done routinely without anesthesia-------as is extraction of wisdom teeth-------

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You are INCORRECT.
I was speaking from my own experience and that of my doctor's.

This writer's experience mirrors mine:
"I’m one of an elite group of American patients. Only about one percent of us undergo colonoscopy without sedation.
...
Dr. Horst says he performs about two to five percent of colonoscopies without sedation, “higher than the general rate because I have a small reputation for success at that.” ...
in Europe very roughly half of all colonoscopies are unsedated."

One Man’s Sedation-Free Colonoscopy (And Why You Should Try It Too)
.

 

[PK1]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

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Your theory is wrong. Circumcision is not practiced by Christians, unless their Jewish or Islamic doctors influence them for mostly cultural reasons, if not for financial gain (doctor's).
This map shows in yellow the countries & regions that have very low rates of circumcision:

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[irosie91]

... muslims are circumcised-------
Hindus are not circumcised----

---
Wikipedia agrees with you about who is circumcised:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated that globally one-third of males aged 15 years and over are circumcised, with almost 70% of those being Muslims.

Prevalence of circumcision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, unless one is a Muslim or Jew, it's not a big deal to be natural.
.

I have read that at one point in America that 90% of males had been circumcised, this was from turn of 20th Century until about the mid-1960s, this now has diminished significantly. Canada though didn't mimic her American neighbours, Canada never had a high rate of circumcision, I don't know if this is because they followed the lines of their Commonwealth kin.

---
I've often wondered why there's been such a high circumcision rate (70-80%) in USA, whereas most immigrants came from countries with low rates.

I've concluded one main factor is MONEY ... for the medical profession (& Dental which loves X-rays).
In USA, money is king. Follow the money to understand decisions by the rich & powerful.
Circumcision procedure = income.

USA doctors also advise their patients to use anesthesia, even when not necessary.
In my own case, i had a colonoscopy without anesthesia, although anesthesia is standard procedure in USA but not in other countries.
I also had my wisdom teeth pulled while conscious, against the doc's advise. The alternative, NO2 (laughing gas), was a lot of fun & the procedure only took 12 minutes!
I'm sure my doctor's colleagues were not happy that i reduced their income.

.

colonoscopy is done routinely without anesthesia-------as is extraction of wisdom teeth-------

---
You are INCORRECT.
I was speaking from my own experience and that of my doctor's.

This writer's experience mirrors mine:
"I’m one of an elite group of American patients. Only about one percent of us undergo colonoscopy without sedation.
...
Dr. Horst says he performs about two to five percent of colonoscopies without sedation, “higher than the general rate because I have a small reputation for success at that.” ...
in Europe very roughly half of all colonoscopies are unsedated."

One Man’s Sedation-Free Colonoscopy (And Why You Should Try It Too)
.

sorry PK you wrote ANESTHESIA ----not SEDATION. That little shot of
5 or 6 mg of VALIUM is SEDATION----not ANESTHESIA. Getting back to
ANESTHESIA in reference to tooth extraction------the NOVACAINE is----strictly speaking Anesthesia-------when I commented that extraction of wisdom teeth is
done ROUTINELY without anesthesia-----I was thinking GENERAL ANESTHESIA----in fact ---------even I got a shot of novacaine--------NO (nitrous oxide) is---strictly speaking, also a kind of anesthesia. The valium used for colonoscopy is sedation and also used as a muscle relaxant. Most people are awake during colonoscopy. I do not think that either dentists or gastroenterologists make their living off ANESTHESIA

 

[irosie91]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

My theory is it is cultural and comes from Christianity, which comes from Judaism.

---
Your theory is wrong. Circumcision is not practiced by Christians, unless their Jewish or Islamic doctors influence them for mostly cultural reasons, if not for financial gain (doctor's).
This map shows in yellow the countries & regions that have very low rates of circumcision:
View attachment 69959
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in the US-----circumcision is a norm thruout most of the US------unrelated to the religion of the doctor--------it has been considered advisable on medical grounds for
almost the past century-------I doubt that it is a money making procedure. Anyone
know how much hospitals charge?------my kid was snipped at home by a mohel----
the doc did not complain. In some hospitals the procedure is handed to the intern-----like spinal taps. I have done 100s (if not thousands) of spinal taps------I have no idea how the procedure is billed-----I never collected a dime

 

[ChrisL]

On another thread the other day, thread topic involved Female Genital Mutilation, one of the great evils, someone responded to me "what about male genital multilation?"

I said to them that there was no similarity at all between Female Genital Mutilation and male circumcision, for there to be essentially the entire penis pretty much would have to be removed.

Here is the link to the FGM thread I refer to:

Increased "risk" of female genital mutilation?

The response though has me curious, male genital "mutilation"

So for the males who've been circumcised, do you think you've been mutilated?

Would you have preferred to have been given a choice to have been circumcised, rather than your parents make that choice for you as a baby and/or child?

Or are you quite happy with the situation?

Edited to add link.

The reason why a lot of boys are circumcised is for cleanliness sake. It makes it easier for a little boy to clean. Some men who are not circumcised actually end up being circumcised as adults. I think it is much less painful and traumatizing when they are newborns and can't remember. They also heal faster. Circumcision can also help prevent the spread of STDs.

Is that because girls just don't trust men to wash their dicks? Even if men wash it?

Not at all. It just makes it easier. An uncircumcised penis is more prone to infections, as well as STDs. Those are just facts.