Citizens open fire on Cleveland Police

[paddymurphy]

As if you have any fucking clue what Due Process of law requires.

You obviously do not if you believe being killed OUTSIDE the system has anything to do with due process.

Denied due process would imply being sentenced without benefit of a trial.

Sort of how you are trying to do to police around the country .

Moron

State and federal laws make it a crime for a person, under color of state authority, to deny another citizen their life, liberty or property without due process of law. It is also the basis for a civil action seeking damages. Only a moron would not be aware of one of the largest bodies of federal law in existence.

of course that's true, which has nothing to do with police officers having the same right to defend themselves as citizens have.

Why would they even be issued guns if it were illegal for them to use them stupid?

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

You obviously do not if you believe being killed OUTSIDE the system has anything to do with due process.

Denied due process would imply being sentenced without benefit of a trial.

Sort of how you are trying to do to police around the country .

Moron

State and federal laws make it a crime for a person, under color of state authority, to deny another citizen their life, liberty or property without due process of law. It is also the basis for a civil action seeking damages. Only a moron would not be aware of one of the largest bodies of federal law in existence.

of course that's true, which has nothing to do with police officers having the same right to defend themselves as citizens have.

Why would they even be issued guns if it were illegal for them to use them stupid?

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

 

[Moonglow]

State and federal laws make it a crime for a person, under color of state authority, to deny another citizen their life, liberty or property without due process of law. It is also the basis for a civil action seeking damages. Only a moron would not be aware of one of the largest bodies of federal law in existence.

of course that's true, which has nothing to do with police officers having the same right to defend themselves as citizens have.

Why would they even be issued guns if it were illegal for them to use them stupid?

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

They are responsible for the prisoner during transport and must restrain him with a safety belt, just like the officer does himself...

 

[paddymurphy]

State and federal laws make it a crime for a person, under color of state authority, to deny another citizen their life, liberty or property without due process of law. It is also the basis for a civil action seeking damages. Only a moron would not be aware of one of the largest bodies of federal law in existence.

of course that's true, which has nothing to do with police officers having the same right to defend themselves as citizens have.

Why would they even be issued guns if it were illegal for them to use them stupid?

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

of course that's true, which has nothing to do with police officers having the same right to defend themselves as citizens have.

Why would they even be issued guns if it were illegal for them to use them stupid?

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

No it is not LOL thousands of people who are in police custody get injured or even killed in incidents that are not the fault of any officers at all.

The mere fact that it happened while in custody does NOT indicate that an officer was responsible for his death.

 

[paddymurphy]

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

No it is not LOL thousands of people who are in police custody get injured or even killed in incidents that are not the fault of any officers at all.

The mere fact that it happened while in custody does NOT indicate that an officer was responsible for his death.

So, you really do not understand the concepts of evidence, circumstantial evidence and proof in a criminal case. The prosecution will offer evidence that will try to prove that the officer or officers engaged in conduct that caused Gray's death. If they cannot produce that evidence, the case will be dismissed. What the fuck is wrong with subjecting police officers to the same process as others. If you showed up with another person in your car with a broken neck and all you could tell them is that when you picked him up, his neck was not broken but, somehow, it now is and you could not explain how that person died, you would be investigated, arrested and charged. Why should they be treated any differently?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

LOL there is ZERO evidence that anyone broke his neck. Get the fuck out of here.

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

No it is not LOL thousands of people who are in police custody get injured or even killed in incidents that are not the fault of any officers at all.

The mere fact that it happened while in custody does NOT indicate that an officer was responsible for his death.

So, you really do not understand the concepts of evidence, circumstantial evidence and proof in a criminal case. The prosecution will offer evidence that will try to prove that the officer or officers engaged in conduct that caused Gray's death. If they cannot produce that evidence, the case will be dismissed. What the fuck is wrong with subjecting police officers to the same process as others. If you showed up with another person in your car with a broken neck and all you could tell them is that when you picked him up, his neck was not broken but, somehow, it now is and you could not explain how that person died, you would be investigated, arrested and charged. Why should they be treated any differently?

Dude, what exactly are you talking about?

I know more about evidence gathering than you could ever possibly learn.

Now, your next task is to show where I have said that LEOs shouldn't be treated the same as anyone else, because I in fact never have said that.

IN FACT it is YOU who proposes treating LEOs differently, as you have already decided that someone is guilty of murdering Gray. You have made that quite clear. You have presumed guilt until proven innocent.

 

[paddymurphy]

Other than the fact that he had a broken neck, sure, you are correct. Are you that stupid?

His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it.

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

No it is not LOL thousands of people who are in police custody get injured or even killed in incidents that are not the fault of any officers at all.

The mere fact that it happened while in custody does NOT indicate that an officer was responsible for his death.

So, you really do not understand the concepts of evidence, circumstantial evidence and proof in a criminal case. The prosecution will offer evidence that will try to prove that the officer or officers engaged in conduct that caused Gray's death. If they cannot produce that evidence, the case will be dismissed. What the fuck is wrong with subjecting police officers to the same process as others. If you showed up with another person in your car with a broken neck and all you could tell them is that when you picked him up, his neck was not broken but, somehow, it now is and you could not explain how that person died, you would be investigated, arrested and charged. Why should they be treated any differently?

Dude, what exactly are you talking about?

I know more about evidence gathering than you could ever possibly learn.

Now, your next task is to show where I have said that LEOs shouldn't be treated the same as anyone else, because I in fact never have said that.

IN FACT it is YOU who proposes treating LEOs differently, as you have already decided that someone is guilty of murdering Gray. You have made that quite clear. You have presumed guilt until proven innocent.

You know dick about criminal evidence or the burden of proof in a criminal trial. Are you an attorney? Have you tried criminal cases, either as a prosecutor of defense attorney? Of course you have not. I have not decided anyone is guilty. If you had the reading comprehension above a three year old you would have noted that I wrote that The evidence presented at trial will decide whether one, some or all of the officers are guilty. You claimed that him having a broken neck is no evidence that a crime was committed. Of course it is. It is not a natural death. It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. Since I do not have access to the police reports or other investigative materials the district attorney has, I have no idea if they will be able to meet their burden. But, to suggest that the District Attorney should not have presented the case to the 18 people on the Grand Jury who determined there was enough evidence were wrong, when you have no freaking idea what other evidence was presented to them, is the height of stupidity.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This is the USA, did the cops think that people would lay down for a good old fashioned screwin'?

Well...not shooting at cops is reasonable. And cops responding to the call for men waving guns at each other is reasonable. Right?

And executing somone for holding a pellet gun while black is also reasonable, right?

Sad that that little boy was shot, but he wasn't executed and the officer didn't know it was a pellet gun when the boy reached for it in his waistband after being told to put his hands up.

There are MANY cases of police abuse, that wasn't one of them.

Sure it was. That is why he will be charged.

As the saying goes...You can indict a ham sandwich.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

News from The Associated Press


Cleveland police respond to call of multiple people waving guns. They arrive. One runs. They chase...and trade shots with him. During the pursuit....multiple fine citizens opened fire on the cops.

1- Wonder why Cleveland police would ever take calls like "person waving gun" so seriously?
2- We need to demilitarize our cops...they dont face urban gunfights like the military does

Armed civilians in the street shooting at police and you're blaming the police for shooting back?

 

[paddymurphy]

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

No it is not LOL thousands of people who are in police custody get injured or even killed in incidents that are not the fault of any officers at all.

The mere fact that it happened while in custody does NOT indicate that an officer was responsible for his death.

So, you really do not understand the concepts of evidence, circumstantial evidence and proof in a criminal case. The prosecution will offer evidence that will try to prove that the officer or officers engaged in conduct that caused Gray's death. If they cannot produce that evidence, the case will be dismissed. What the fuck is wrong with subjecting police officers to the same process as others. If you showed up with another person in your car with a broken neck and all you could tell them is that when you picked him up, his neck was not broken but, somehow, it now is and you could not explain how that person died, you would be investigated, arrested and charged. Why should they be treated any differently?

Dude, what exactly are you talking about?

I know more about evidence gathering than you could ever possibly learn.

Now, your next task is to show where I have said that LEOs shouldn't be treated the same as anyone else, because I in fact never have said that.

IN FACT it is YOU who proposes treating LEOs differently, as you have already decided that someone is guilty of murdering Gray. You have made that quite clear. You have presumed guilt until proven innocent.

You know dick about criminal evidence or the burden of proof in a criminal trial. Are you an attorney? Have you tried criminal cases, either as a prosecutor of defense attorney? Of course you have not. I have not decided anyone is guilty. If you had the reading comprehension above a three year old you would have noted that I wrote that The evidence presented at trial will decide whether one, some or all of the officers are guilty. You claimed that him having a broken neck is no evidence that a crime was committed. Of course it is. It is not a natural death. It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. Since I do not have access to the police reports or other investigative materials the district attorney has, I have no idea if they will be able to meet their burden. But, to suggest that the District Attorney should not have presented the case to the 18 people on the Grand Jury who determined there was enough evidence were wrong, when you have no freaking idea what other evidence was presented to them, is the height of stupidity.

I was an MP for 22 years , I have a Master's degree in criminal law from Princeton, but I know nothing of the law LOL

Now let's pick your last post apart, shall we?


You claimed that him having a broken neck is no evidence that a crime was committed. Of course it is. It is not a natural death. It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner.

That is of course, NOT what I said. I said that his broken neck alone is NOT evidence that any of the cops were responsible, and it isn't. Neither is the fact that the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. Suicide is in fact homicide. That is a fact. Meaning of course that homicide doesn't rule out the possibility that he beat his own head against the truck until he broke his neck.

But, to suggest that the District Attorney should not have presented the case to the 18 people on the Grand Jury who determined there was enough evidence were wrong, when you have no freaking idea what other evidence was presented to them, is the height of stupidity.

I, of course, never said this either. Why do you continue to lie?

Now please go on telling us all who is acting stupid in this thread.

Suicide is homicide? You truly are a moron. There are three legal manners of death,

The fact that his neck was broken while in their custody is certainly circumstantial evidence that one of them was responsible for it. Whether their actions actually did cause it is something that the evidence presented at trial will have to determine.

No it is not LOL thousands of people who are in police custody get injured or even killed in incidents that are not the fault of any officers at all.

The mere fact that it happened while in custody does NOT indicate that an officer was responsible for his death.

So, you really do not understand the concepts of evidence, circumstantial evidence and proof in a criminal case. The prosecution will offer evidence that will try to prove that the officer or officers engaged in conduct that caused Gray's death. If they cannot produce that evidence, the case will be dismissed. What the fuck is wrong with subjecting police officers to the same process as others. If you showed up with another person in your car with a broken neck and all you could tell them is that when you picked him up, his neck was not broken but, somehow, it now is and you could not explain how that person died, you would be investigated, arrested and charged. Why should they be treated any differently?

Dude, what exactly are you talking about?

I know more about evidence gathering than you could ever possibly learn.

Now, your next task is to show where I have said that LEOs shouldn't be treated the same as anyone else, because I in fact never have said that.

IN FACT it is YOU who proposes treating LEOs differently, as you have already decided that someone is guilty of murdering Gray. You have made that quite clear. You have presumed guilt until proven innocent.

You know dick about criminal evidence or the burden of proof in a criminal trial. Are you an attorney? Have you tried criminal cases, either as a prosecutor of defense attorney? Of course you have not. I have not decided anyone is guilty. If you had the reading comprehension above a three year old you would have noted that I wrote that The evidence presented at trial will decide whether one, some or all of the officers are guilty. You claimed that him having a broken neck is no evidence that a crime was committed. Of course it is. It is not a natural death. It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. Since I do not have access to the police reports or other investigative materials the district attorney has, I have no idea if they will be able to meet their burden. But, to suggest that the District Attorney should not have presented the case to the 18 people on the Grand Jury who determined there was enough evidence were wrong, when you have no freaking idea what other evidence was presented to them, is the height of stupidity.

I was an MP for 22 years , I have a Master's degree in criminal law from Princeton, but I know nothing of the law LOL

Now let's pick your last post apart, shall we?


You claimed that him having a broken neck is no evidence that a crime was committed. Of course it is. It is not a natural death. It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner.

That is of course, NOT what I said. I said that his broken neck alone is NOT evidence that any of the cops were responsible, and it isn't. Neither is the fact that the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. Suicide is in fact homicide. That is a fact. Meaning of course that homicide doesn't rule out the possibility that he beat his own head against the truck until he broke his neck.

But, to suggest that the District Attorney should not have presented the case to the 18 people on the Grand Jury who determined there was enough evidence were wrong, when you have no freaking idea what other evidence was presented to them, is the height of stupidity.

I, of course, never said this either. Why do you continue to lie?

Now please go on telling us all who is acting stupid in this thread.

Here is your first lesson in evidence. It is called impeachment through the use of inconsistent statements. You posted above:

"You claimed that him having a broken neck is no evidence that a crime was committed. Of course it is. It is not a natural death. It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. That is of course, NOT what I said. I said that his broken neck alone is NOT evidence that any of the cops were responsible, and it isn't."

Earlier, you posted: "His neck being broke doesn't offer any evidence that any officer was responsible for it." So, you lied about what you posted a few minutes ago.

You think that a suicide is a homicide? Your 22 years of waving cars in and out of military bases clearly did not educate you on the cause and manner of death. There are four manners of death. The National Association of Medical Examiners makes the following distinctions between manners of death (9): Natural—‘‘due solely or nearly totally to disease and/or the aging process.’’ Accident—‘‘there is little or no evidence that the injury or poisoning oc curred with intent to harm or cause death. In essence, the fatal outcome was unintentional.’’ Suicide—‘‘results from an injury or poisoning as a result of an intentional, self-inflicted act committed to do self-harm or cause the death of one’s self.’’ Homicide—‘‘occurs when death results from...’’ an injury or poisoning or from ‘‘...a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death. Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for classification as homicide.’’ Could not be determined—‘‘used when the information pointing to one manner of death is no more compelling than one or more other competing manners of death when all available information is considered.’’ Pending investigation—used when determination of manner depends on further information."

Oh, and here are the master's degrees Princeton offers: "The University awards the following as final professional degrees: Master of Architecture (M.Arch.), Master of Engineering (M.Eng.), Master in Finance (M.Fin.), Master of Science in Engineering (M.S.E.), Master of Science in Chemistry (M.S.), Master in Public Affairs (M.P.A.) and Master in Public Policy (M.P.P.). Dual degree programs also are offered in partnership with certain cooperating professional schools." You will notice they do not offer a Master's Degree in Criminal Law.

 

[Pete7469]

There's no way I could be a cop in a place like that.

If those assholes want lawlessness, they can have it. Just don't come crying to me when the cities look like Mogadishu.

 

[rdean]

News from The Associated Press


Cleveland police respond to call of multiple people waving guns. They arrive. One runs. They chase...and trade shots with him. During the pursuit....multiple fine citizens opened fire on the cops.

1- Wonder why Cleveland police would ever take calls like "person waving gun" so seriously?
2- We need to demilitarize our cops...they dont face urban gunfights like the military does

We need law and order. We need safe peaceful streets. We need public-service-minded members of law enforcement. We need justice in our judicial system. We need to enforce laws equally across the board. We need equal punishment for equal crimes. We need members of law enforcement to respect the rights of citizens. We need to get trouble makers off our streets. We need to get gangs and illegal drugs off our streets. We need to hold everyone accountable for their actions, everyone.

We do NOT need out-of-control members of law enforcement. We do NOT need favoritism in out judicial system and court rooms. We do NOT need citizens waving guns on our streets. We do NOT need citizens taunting and unnecessarily challenging members of law enforcement. We do NOT need angry citizens with guns, imposing their misconduct on our communities and on members of law enforcement.

When we blame, we should blame everyone, both sides, for what is now common headlines all across this nation. Our streets are not safe, our communities are not safe, and the manner in which we're attempting to correct the situation, is producing more violence and contempt for members of law enforcement. We've allowed and encouraged rogue police action, thus creating an unsafe, uncivil, and tragic set of circumstances to develop between John Q. Public and law enforcement agencies.

We have allowed the situation to escalate to a point where it's almost war between ordinary citizens and members of law enforcement. In a sense, and it would be hard to argue the point, our judicial system and court rooms have provided the perfect atmosphere and set of circumstances for what we're seeing and experiencing on our streets today. Judicial favoritism breeds contempt, mistrust, anger, and uncivil actions by those wronged. The present situation on our streets will not improve until we fix and correct the wrongs in our court rooms and the entire judicial system. Everyone must be accountable for their actions, and equal justice must be enforced. Everyone should be held accountable and forced to obey all laws, and that includes members of law enforcement.

I can't disagree with any of the above....except for the word "we."

It is the fault of the Left that said problems arose and have been amplified.

Because the left have so many guns

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Because the left refuses to hold ghetto trash responsible for their crimes.....because racism!!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

We need law and order. We need safe peaceful streets. We need public-service-minded members of law enforcement. We need justice in our judicial system. We need to enforce laws equally across the board. We need equal punishment for equal crimes. We need members of law enforcement to respect the rights of citizens. We need to get trouble makers off our streets. We need to get gangs and illegal drugs off our streets. We need to hold everyone accountable for their actions, everyone.

We do NOT need out-of-control members of law enforcement. We do NOT need favoritism in out judicial system and court rooms. We do NOT need citizens waving guns on our streets. We do NOT need citizens taunting and unnecessarily challenging members of law enforcement. We do NOT need angry citizens with guns, imposing their misconduct on our communities and on members of law enforcement.

When we blame, we should blame everyone, both sides, for what is now common headlines all across this nation. Our streets are not safe, our communities are not safe, and the manner in which we're attempting to correct the situation, is producing more violence and contempt for members of law enforcement. We've allowed and encouraged rogue police action, thus creating an unsafe, uncivil, and tragic set of circumstances to develop between John Q. Public and law enforcement agencies.

We have allowed the situation to escalate to a point where it's almost war between ordinary citizens and members of law enforcement. In a sense, and it would be hard to argue the point, our judicial system and court rooms have provided the perfect atmosphere and set of circumstances for what we're seeing and experiencing on our streets today. Judicial favoritism breeds contempt, mistrust, anger, and uncivil actions by those wronged. The present situation on our streets will not improve until we fix and correct the wrongs in our court rooms and the entire judicial system. Everyone must be accountable for their actions, and equal justice must be enforced. Everyone should be held accountable and forced to obey all laws, and that includes members of law enforcement.

"Everyone should be held accountable and forced to obey all laws, and that includes members of law enforcement." That is, really, the only thing that needs to be said.

Ya cause charging 3 cops for arresting a guy that broke the law and later died under someone else's care is justice right?

Justice is not the result, it is the process. Those officers will have justice. It may mean they are acquitted; it may mean they are convicted. Whatever happens to them will happen after a process where their rights will be scrupulously protected. Freddie Gray did not have justice. There was no process that was completed before what happened to him happened to him. He was denied due process.

He was not.

As if you have any fucking clue what Due Process of law requires.

And of course you and your Harvard law degree will now educate us....
I await your next syllable with great expectation.

 

[thereisnospoon]

This is the USA, did the cops think that people would lay down for a good old fashioned screwin'?

So you condone this?

Not really...But the climate has been instigated by too many years of a Drug War not to have insurgents finally fighting back..........legalization will solve much of this problem, just like with the bootleggers and mafia types during alcohol prohibition..

Legalization of WHAT?.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

He was not.

As if you have any fucking clue what Due Process of law requires.

You obviously do not if you believe being killed OUTSIDE the system has anything to do with due process.

Denied due process would imply being sentenced without benefit of a trial.

Sort of how you are trying to do to police around the country .

Moron

State and federal laws make it a crime for a person, under color of state authority, to deny another citizen their life, liberty or property without due process of law. It is also the basis for a civil action seeking damages. Only a moron would not be aware of one of the largest bodies of federal law in existence.

of course that's true, which has nothing to do with police officers having the same right to defend themselves as citizens have.

Why would they even be issued guns if it were illegal for them to use them stupid?

How, exactly, was Freddie Gray threatening the officers when his neck was broken? Are you suggesting that they were acting in self defense when he died? You do realize that is what we discussing, right? And police officers have a greater right to use force than citizens have. They have a greater responsibility as well, given that authority.

So you have seen all the evidence? You were present for the autopsy?
You blather on and on about due process, yet in your mind the cops are guilty. Skip the trial, right?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sad that that little boy was shot, but he wasn't executed and the officer didn't know it was a pellet gun when the boy reached for it in his waistband after being told to put his hands up.

There are MANY cases of police abuse, that wasn't one of them.

Sure it was. That is why he will be charged.

Being charged =/= being guilty of a crime.

Unless you're a LEO I suppose.

You said it was not "abuse". You did not say it was not a crime and I did not say he was guilty of a crime. Seems from the video that he is. But, either way, guilty or not, he abused his authority and should never work as a cop again. No need to drive up two feet away from him; no need to put yourself in such close proximity to him with nothing between you and him that your only option is you perceptive a threat is to shoot to kill.

What if they dont pull up close....and he runs? Now an armed guy running through the community waving a gun at people.

Cops confront bad guys w guns. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.

He was child playing with a toy gun. Why you care so little about the life of this black child is beyond understanding.

Genius.....The kid removed the orange tip which signifies "toy"....BTW,m this is common among youths./ They think the absence of the orange ring makes the toy gun look cool.
According to the video from the police car, the police ordered the kid to drop the weapon several times. The kid refused to comply. He pointed the weapon at the police officer.
You are really screwing yourself here.

 

[thereisnospoon]

This is the USA, did the cops think that people would lay down for a good old fashioned screwin'?

So you condone this?

may as well put 24/7 cameras in cleveland and baltimore, then put them on a cable channel, hey, something to watch when there isnt anything exciting to watch at night. but what should we call the channel?

Crime TV

 

[Rexx Taylor]

This is the USA, did the cops think that people would lay down for a good old fashioned screwin'?

So you condone this?

may as well put 24/7 cameras in cleveland and baltimore, then put them on a cable channel, hey, something to watch when there isnt anything exciting to watch at night. but what should we call the channel?

Crime TV

i wonder if there will be 24/7 score going , like Cops 43.....Thugs 21