Civil War could have been avoided through negotiation

[WinterBorn]

And Joe is not?!
Joe's third-world flood, that he has caused, will be the #1 reason if there's a violent uprising!

There won't be a violent uprising. There might be bluff and bluster, but that is all.

 

[rightwinger]

Lincoln had no intention of ending slavery
He couldn’t if he wanted to

The reason the South panicked and formed a Confederacy was that they were losing when it came to adding new Slave States. New States did not want slavery and the Senate and House would move from 50/50 to radically against slavery.

Forming a country to assure slavery would exist forever was their best option

 

[john doe 101]

Trump is right, we needed more statesmen back then who were willing to negotiate in order to prevent war from breaking out. So many lives lost for nothing. Lincoln should be remembered for that.

---He added Lincoln could have negotiated to avoid the war, but he would not have been as well-known as he is today.---

Trump says Civil War could have been negotiated

Former President Trump said he believed the Civil War could have been avoided through negotiation, though that would’ve changed the legacy of former President Lincoln. Trump, at an Iowa rally Saturday, said he finds the conflict “fascinating” but “so horrible.” He also noted the high death toll...

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You fucking idiot they tried to negotiate for years and nothing worked. Open a book you fucking moron.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump is right, we needed more statesmen back then who were willing to negotiate in order to prevent war from breaking out. So many lives lost for nothing. Lincoln should be remembered for that.

---He added Lincoln could have negotiated to avoid the war, but he would not have been as well-known as he is today.---

Trump says Civil War could have been negotiated

Former President Trump said he believed the Civil War could have been avoided through negotiation, though that would’ve changed the legacy of former President Lincoln. Trump, at an Iowa rally Saturday, said he finds the conflict “fascinating” but “so horrible.” He also noted the high death toll...

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Trump is wrong, as usual.

And any ‘negotiation’ wouldn’t be, the slave states would retain slavery pursuant to some ‘compromise’ – such as slavery would remain lawful for another 20 years at which time there would be another ‘negotiation.’

That Trump and his supporters would allow slavery to continue comes as no surprise.

 

[Moonglow]

Trump is right, we needed more statesmen back then who were willing to negotiate in order to prevent war from breaking out. So many lives lost for nothing. Lincoln should be remembered for that.

---He added Lincoln could have negotiated to avoid the war, but he would not have been as well-known as he is today.---

Trump says Civil War could have been negotiated

Former President Trump said he believed the Civil War could have been avoided through negotiation, though that would’ve changed the legacy of former President Lincoln. Trump, at an Iowa rally Saturday, said he finds the conflict “fascinating” but “so horrible.” He also noted the high death toll...

news.yahoo.com

Trump couldn't talk his way out of a fraud trial.

 

[Moonglow]

Trump should have mentioned the beginning of the nation since he's such a stable genuis.

 

[StoneCold]

Book. He can't/won't read no stinking book!
His lord and master spewed the message that only HE could have negotiated a deal! If HE said it, it is the new gospel!

You fucking idiot they tried to negotiate for years and nothing worked. Open a book you fucking moron.

 

[konradv]

Trump is right, we needed more statesmen back then who were willing to negotiate in order to prevent war from breaking out. So many lives lost for nothing. Lincoln should be remembered for that.

---He added Lincoln could have negotiated to avoid the war, but he would not have been as well-known as he is today.---

Trump says Civil War could have been negotiated

Former President Trump said he believed the Civil War could have been avoided through negotiation, though that would’ve changed the legacy of former President Lincoln. Trump, at an Iowa rally Saturday, said he finds the conflict “fascinating” but “so horrible.” He also noted the high death toll...

news.yahoo.com

The South didn’t want to negotiate. They were kind of proto-MAGA that way.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump is making statements that only a person knowing he would lose would make in this campaign.

Negotiations continued from November 1860 to April 1861 when the South broke them off by firing on Ft Sumter.

 

[john doe 101]

Trump should have mentioned the beginning of the nation since he's such a stable genuis.

Some people say "Birth of a Nation" is Trumps favorite movie.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Lincoln had no intention of ending slavery

Correct.

He made that clear in his first inaugural address – telling the South that slavery was constitutional, that he had no intention of interfering with slavery in the South, and begging the slave states to not start a war out of an unwarranted fear that the Federal government would interfere.

But the states in lawless rebellion started the treasonous insurrection of 1861 regardless, solely for the purpose of preserving slavery.

 

[postman]

You fucking idiot they tried to negotiate for years and nothing worked. Open a book you fucking moron.

They had the Great compromise, the 3/5ths compromise, the Missouri compromise. They ran out of compromises.

 

[rightwinger]

Correct.

He made that clear in his first inaugural address – telling the South that slavery was constitutional, that he had no intention of interfering with slavery in the South, and begging the slave states to not start a war out of an unwarranted fear that the Federal government would interfere.

But the states in lawless rebellion started the treasonous insurrection of 1861 regardless, solely for the purpose of preserving slavery.

Slavery was safe for at least a few decades

But the hotheads in the South forced secession, hotheads forced an attack on Ft Sumpter, hotheads assured the North could not beat them in a war

 

[rightwinger]

They had the Great compromise, the 3/5ths compromise, the Missouri compromise. They ran out of compromises.

They also compromised with the South on the Fugitive Slave Act and Dred Scott

Whatever they gave the South on slavery wasn’t enough

 

[JWBooth]

So you support breaking up the country ?

I support self determination, kinda like it says in the Declaration of Independence. So, yes, “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them”

 

[rightwinger]

I support self determination, kinda like it says in the Declaration of Independence. So, yes, “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them”

It was more of a “Take my ball and go home” response to not getting your way.

The true Tyranny was in the South

 

[Libby von H]

So Trump could have prevented the Civil War. Holy crap. Holy crap.

And yet, he's CREATING one now. That's a little ironic.

YOU and your sort are creating one now

 

[Mac1958]

YOU and your sort are creating one now

You don't know "my sort".

And if you get violent, it will be on you. Your responsiblity. Remember that word, "responsibility"?

I doubt you people have the balls.

 

[rightwinger]

The South ranted about “States Rights”

But States Rights did not apply to northern states who banned slavery in their states. The South insisted their slaves were still their property in free states

 

[BlindBoo]

I support self determination, kinda like it says in the Declaration of Independence. So, yes, “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them”

They didn't stop there.

" Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-