Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

[jc456]

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

the first doesn't mention ocean water at all.

The second and third are climate denier websites (i.e. NOT AT ALL SCIENTIFIC)

So again we are back to you spouting political faith, that is devoid of any supporting scientific evidence.

can you supply a link to an experiment that proves otherwise?

Er, um, well...no, DENIER!!!

he'll say the oceans themselves, right?

 

[flacaltenn]

Goldyrocks just can't help blaming EVERY natural event on Global Warming. Because James Hansen and the crazy lady from Rutgers told him to observe and SEE the daily damage.. ((When their actual scientific work says don't expect to see ANYTHING for decades)))

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Neptune 1,500 mph winds...global warming

 

[westwall]

Flood, droughts, is there anything that CO2 can't do?

Also, it is destroying life in our oceans:

Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

the first doesn't mention ocean water at all.

The second and third are climate denier websites (i.e. NOT AT ALL SCIENTIFIC)

So again we are back to you spouting political faith, that is devoid of any supporting scientific evidence.

That's because it was an EXPERIMENT. It wasn't based on computer models which is all that your precious sources present. So here is a case where scientists actually DID an experiment in the real world and you, the clownboy, prefers science fiction to empirical data.

You're dismissed.

 

[flacaltenn]

One of the effects of a warming climate is that the forests dry out. And we have longer and warmer summers. That equals a longer and more intense fire season. And bigger and more intense fires. All of which we are currently seeing. And this summer, we sure have hit the jackpot.

But all you denier asses can do is sit and deny that it is happening, or try to blame the people that are doing their best to deal with a problem that you helped create.

Flood, droughts, is there anything that CO2 can't do?

Also, it is destroying life in our oceans:

Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Can tell what to consider..

1) Look to see exactly how much we currently know about NATURAL variation of PH in tidal basins and shallow ocean shelves.. Look to see how much know about they adapt to ever-changing PH. It's not a lot.

2) Warmer water doesn't absorb as much CO2. You really can't have warmer oceans AND fastly and largely increasing CO2 absorption from the atmosphere. Really got to pick one.

3) The NW oyster scare that started all this fuss about seeing EFFECTS TODAY of ocean acidification was due to greedy oyster farmers trying to spawn oysters YEAR ROUND in waters that would NEVER NATURALLY support that kind of oyster procreation. Particularly not for a NON NATIVE specie they were using because the Feds REQUIRED them to use a specie that would not escape and be invasive..

NATURALLY -- oysters spawn en masse on particular days of the year, when the temperature, PH, salinity, and everything else is JUST RIGHT. Not like the failed farming attempts that LED to these phoney stories..

Then NOAA really tried hard to PROVE it was CO2 and acidification and dosed baby oysters with MASSIVE amounts and failed to kill them. In fact, they found that a slightly RAISED PH is better than what PH was in the 1800s..

 

[Agit8r]

Also, it is destroying life in our oceans:

Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

the first doesn't mention ocean water at all.

The second and third are climate denier websites (i.e. NOT AT ALL SCIENTIFIC)

So again we are back to you spouting political faith, that is devoid of any supporting scientific evidence.

That's because it was an EXPERIMENT. It wasn't based on computer models which is all that your precious sources present. So here is a case where scientists actually DID an experiment in the real world and you, the clownboy, prefers science fiction to empirical data.

You're dismissed.

All it takes is a modicum of critical thinking. Why are the websites that are paid for with petro-dollars at variance with the Academies of Science of every developed country in the world? Oh right, it is because they are paid for by petroleum companies.

 

[Crick]

Carbonate solubility is a function of absolute temperature. In the last 150 years, absolute temperature has risen roughly 0.314%. The level of CO2 dissolved in the oceans is a function of the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere. Over the same period, that has risen by 42%.


Impressive science work there dude.

 

[jc456]

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

the first doesn't mention ocean water at all.

The second and third are climate denier websites (i.e. NOT AT ALL SCIENTIFIC)

So again we are back to you spouting political faith, that is devoid of any supporting scientific evidence.

That's because it was an EXPERIMENT. It wasn't based on computer models which is all that your precious sources present. So here is a case where scientists actually DID an experiment in the real world and you, the clownboy, prefers science fiction to empirical data.

You're dismissed.

All it takes is a modicum of critical thinking. Why are the websites that are paid for with petro-dollars at variance with the Academies of Science of every developed country in the world? Oh right, it is because they are paid for by petroleum companies.

why? Did you answer that or not?

 

[Old Rocks]

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms Abstract Nature

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms
James C. Orr1, Victoria J. Fabry2, Olivier Aumont3, Laurent Bopp1, Scott C. Doney4, Richard A. Feely5, Anand Gnanadesikan6, Nicolas Gruber7, Akio Ishida8, Fortunat Joos9, Robert M. Key10, Keith Lindsay11, Ernst Maier-Reimer12, Richard Matear13, Patrick Monfray1,19, Anne Mouchet14, Raymond G. Najjar15, Gian-Kasper Plattner7,9, Keith B. Rodgers1,16,19, Christopher L. Sabine5, Jorge L. Sarmiento10, Reiner Schlitzer17, Richard D. Slater10, Ian J. Totterdell18,19, Marie-France Weirig17, Yasuhiro Yamanaka8 & Andrew Yool18

Today's surface ocean is saturated with respect to calcium carbonate, but increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations are reducing ocean pH and carbonate ion concentrations, and thus the level of calcium carbonate saturation. Experimental evidence suggests that if these trends continue, key marine organisms—such as corals and some plankton—will have difficulty maintaining their external calcium carbonate skeletons. Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide. In our projections, Southern Ocean surface waters will begin to become undersaturated with respect to aragonite, a metastable form of calcium carbonate, by the year 2050. By 2100, this undersaturation could extend throughout the entire Southern Ocean and into the subarctic Pacific Ocean. When live pteropods were exposed to our predicted level of undersaturation during a two-day shipboard experiment, their aragonite shells showed notable dissolution. Our findings indicate that conditions detrimental to high-latitude ecosystems could develop within decades, not centuries as suggested previously.

Ocean Acidification - Google Books

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification Abstract Nature

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification
Jason M. Hall-Spencer1, Riccardo Rodolfo-Metalpa1, Sophie Martin2, Emma Ransome1, Maoz Fine3,4, Suzanne M. Turner5, Sonia J. Rowley1, Dario Tedesco6,7 & Maria-Cristina Buia8

The atmospheric partial pressure of carbon dioxide (pCO2) will almost certainly be double that of pre-industrial levels by 2100 and will be considerably higher than at any time during the past few million years1. The oceans are a principal sink for anthropogenic CO2 where it is estimated to have caused a 30% increase in the concentration of H+ in ocean surface waters since the early 1900s and may lead to a drop in seawater pH of up to 0.5 units by 2100 (refs 2, 3). Our understanding of how increased ocean acidity may affect marine ecosystems is at present very limited as almost all studies have been in vitro, short-term, rapid perturbation experiments on isolated elements of the ecosystem4, 5. Here we show the effects of acidification on benthic ecosystems at shallow coastal sites where volcanic CO2 vents lower the pH of the water column. Along gradients of normal pH (8.1–8.2) to lowered pH (mean 7.8–7.9, minimum 7.4–7.5), typical rocky shore communities with abundant calcareous organisms shifted to communities lacking scleractinian corals with significant reductions in sea urchin and coralline algal abundance. To our knowledge, this is the first ecosystem-scale validation of predictions that these important groups of organisms are susceptible to elevated amounts of pCO2. Sea-grass production was highest in an area at mean pH 7.6 (1,827

atm pCO2) where coralline algal biomass was significantly reduced and gastropod shells were dissolving due to periods of carbonate sub-saturation. The species populating the vent sites comprise a suite of organisms that are resilient to naturally high concentrations of pCO2 and indicate that ocean acidification may benefit highly invasive non-native algal species. Our results provide the first in situ insights into how shallow water marine communities might change when susceptible organisms are removed owing to ocean acidification.

Real information on ocean acidification at these three sites, not flap yapping of pretend scientists.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Carbonate solubility is a function of absolute temperature. In the last 150 years, absolute temperature has risen roughly 0.314%. The level of CO2 dissolved in the oceans is a function of the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere. Over the same period, that has risen by 42%.


Impressive science work there dude.

Lol

Roughly by .314%

Lol

We all know how accurate thermometers were 150 tears ago

 

[westwall]

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms Abstract Nature

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms
James C. Orr1, Victoria J. Fabry2, Olivier Aumont3, Laurent Bopp1, Scott C. Doney4, Richard A. Feely5, Anand Gnanadesikan6, Nicolas Gruber7, Akio Ishida8, Fortunat Joos9, Robert M. Key10, Keith Lindsay11, Ernst Maier-Reimer12, Richard Matear13, Patrick Monfray1,19, Anne Mouchet14, Raymond G. Najjar15, Gian-Kasper Plattner7,9, Keith B. Rodgers1,16,19, Christopher L. Sabine5, Jorge L. Sarmiento10, Reiner Schlitzer17, Richard D. Slater10, Ian J. Totterdell18,19, Marie-France Weirig17, Yasuhiro Yamanaka8 & Andrew Yool18

Today's surface ocean is saturated with respect to calcium carbonate, but increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations are reducing ocean pH and carbonate ion concentrations, and thus the level of calcium carbonate saturation. Experimental evidence suggests that if these trends continue, key marine organisms—such as corals and some plankton—will have difficulty maintaining their external calcium carbonate skeletons. Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide. In our projections, Southern Ocean surface waters will begin to become undersaturated with respect to aragonite, a metastable form of calcium carbonate, by the year 2050. By 2100, this undersaturation could extend throughout the entire Southern Ocean and into the subarctic Pacific Ocean. When live pteropods were exposed to our predicted level of undersaturation during a two-day shipboard experiment, their aragonite shells showed notable dissolution. Our findings indicate that conditions detrimental to high-latitude ecosystems could develop within decades, not centuries as suggested previously.

Ocean Acidification - Google Books

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification Abstract Nature

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification
Jason M. Hall-Spencer1, Riccardo Rodolfo-Metalpa1, Sophie Martin2, Emma Ransome1, Maoz Fine3,4, Suzanne M. Turner5, Sonia J. Rowley1, Dario Tedesco6,7 & Maria-Cristina Buia8

The atmospheric partial pressure of carbon dioxide (pCO2) will almost certainly be double that of pre-industrial levels by 2100 and will be considerably higher than at any time during the past few million years1. The oceans are a principal sink for anthropogenic CO2 where it is estimated to have caused a 30% increase in the concentration of H+ in ocean surface waters since the early 1900s and may lead to a drop in seawater pH of up to 0.5 units by 2100 (refs 2, 3). Our understanding of how increased ocean acidity may affect marine ecosystems is at present very limited as almost all studies have been in vitro, short-term, rapid perturbation experiments on isolated elements of the ecosystem4, 5. Here we show the effects of acidification on benthic ecosystems at shallow coastal sites where volcanic CO2 vents lower the pH of the water column. Along gradients of normal pH (8.1–8.2) to lowered pH (mean 7.8–7.9, minimum 7.4–7.5), typical rocky shore communities with abundant calcareous organisms shifted to communities lacking scleractinian corals with significant reductions in sea urchin and coralline algal abundance. To our knowledge, this is the first ecosystem-scale validation of predictions that these important groups of organisms are susceptible to elevated amounts of pCO2. Sea-grass production was highest in an area at mean pH 7.6 (1,827

atm pCO2) where coralline algal biomass was significantly reduced and gastropod shells were dissolving due to periods of carbonate sub-saturation. The species populating the vent sites comprise a suite of organisms that are resilient to naturally high concentrations of pCO2 and indicate that ocean acidification may benefit highly invasive non-native algal species. Our results provide the first in situ insights into how shallow water marine communities might change when susceptible organisms are removed owing to ocean acidification.

Real information on ocean acidification at these three sites, not flap yapping of pretend scientists.

The last paper actually had some good info. And lo and behold it supports evolution! Hurrah! Some critters do better in certain areas than other critters do. How totally unsurprising. But the first one you provided is yet more science fiction....

From the Abstract...

Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide.


In other words, more science fiction.

 

[Crick]

In the year 2000, the slope of those temperature trends INCREASE dramatically. That increase eventually falls off, but if you want to say it decreases in 2000, then you have no issue with lying.

That perturbation right at 2000 is an artifact of their modeling.. Doesn't exist in the REAL MEASURED data from NOAA. No lying involved. The slope DECREASES over the period of the pause.

Now tell us --- How did the oceans STEAL missing heat from the surface if it SLOWED the rate of it's EATING heat during the pause. ???

Let's see your data.

WTF you talking about Wilbur ?? We're talking about reading an f-ing graph... What data do you need?

Do you know what the slope of a line is? Do you know the difference between DEcelerating and ACcelerating and what that looks like on a graph? Of course you don't. Or wouldn't have asked for "my data"...

How very convenient that AFTER you claim the slope decreases with the pause (which began in 1998) you suggest that you were actually talking about other data (which is the data I wanted to see since this data doesn't do what you say it does) and then you go on to claim its an artifact.

What crap. Your NOAA/NESDIS data only contain one of the three sets BTK shows and it displays a similar launch upward between 2001 and 2004.

The slope DOES decrease during the pause. Can't help you with your complete inability to pull inferences out of visual data.. In order to "decrease during the pause" LOGICALLY it would have had to be LARGER going into the pause. OMG.. Hopeless.
IN EITHER data set.. And if you can't see how much more prevalent all those modeling artifacts are in BTK -- that's also a graph-reading problem..

If you can't answer the question...

Is the SLOPE higher from 1992 to 2000 --- or from 2002 - 2010 -- you shouldn't be posting data and graphs..

Just after 2001, the slope rises dramatically. If you want to keep trying to hide that FACT, feel free. You're the one that looks like an idiot for doing so.

 

[Old Rocks]

One of the effects of a warming climate is that the forests dry out. And we have longer and warmer summers. That equals a longer and more intense fire season. And bigger and more intense fires. All of which we are currently seeing. And this summer, we sure have hit the jackpot.

But all you denier asses can do is sit and deny that it is happening, or try to blame the people that are doing their best to deal with a problem that you helped create.

Flood, droughts, is there anything that CO2 can't do?

Also, it is destroying life in our oceans:

Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

Principia Scientifica Intl.

Stance on Climate Change
PSI regularly publishes commentary which claims that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas and that it could actually cool the planet. For example, in an article published in November 2013, “PSI Staff” wrote:

Scientists at Principia Scientific International (PSI), who peer-reviewed Nahle's paper, are currently advising colleagues that the most reliable data available now confirms that CO2 is shown to act as a coolant in earth's climate. As such, the notion of a so-called 'greenhouse gas' warming effect may be regarded as refuted, while environmental measures by governments and individuals to reduce “carbon emissions” to combat climate change are, in turn, rendered pointless.

In 2013, PSI also began to promote unfounded claims that wind turbines make people sick and that childhood vaccines were “one of the largest most evil lies in history.”

Well, now we see the kind of 'science' that Mr. Westwall supports. Real kinky fruitloop idiocy.

 

[Agit8r]

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

the first doesn't mention ocean water at all.

The second and third are climate denier websites (i.e. NOT AT ALL SCIENTIFIC)

So again we are back to you spouting political faith, that is devoid of any supporting scientific evidence.

That's because it was an EXPERIMENT. It wasn't based on computer models which is all that your precious sources present. So here is a case where scientists actually DID an experiment in the real world and you, the clownboy, prefers science fiction to empirical data.

You're dismissed.

All it takes is a modicum of critical thinking. Why are the websites that are paid for with petro-dollars at variance with the Academies of Science of every developed country in the world? Oh right, it is because they are paid for by petroleum companies.

why? Did you answer that or not?

It was a rhetorical question. No one with a brain would trust petroleum companies to tell them the truth about fossil fuel pollution. That would be like trusting police to tell us the truth about police brutality. Impossible.

 

[Crick]

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms Abstract Nature

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms
James C. Orr1, Victoria J. Fabry2, Olivier Aumont3, Laurent Bopp1, Scott C. Doney4, Richard A. Feely5, Anand Gnanadesikan6, Nicolas Gruber7, Akio Ishida8, Fortunat Joos9, Robert M. Key10, Keith Lindsay11, Ernst Maier-Reimer12, Richard Matear13, Patrick Monfray1,19, Anne Mouchet14, Raymond G. Najjar15, Gian-Kasper Plattner7,9, Keith B. Rodgers1,16,19, Christopher L. Sabine5, Jorge L. Sarmiento10, Reiner Schlitzer17, Richard D. Slater10, Ian J. Totterdell18,19, Marie-France Weirig17, Yasuhiro Yamanaka8 & Andrew Yool18

Today's surface ocean is saturated with respect to calcium carbonate, but increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations are reducing ocean pH and carbonate ion concentrations, and thus the level of calcium carbonate saturation. Experimental evidence suggests that if these trends continue, key marine organisms—such as corals and some plankton—will have difficulty maintaining their external calcium carbonate skeletons. Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide. In our projections, Southern Ocean surface waters will begin to become undersaturated with respect to aragonite, a metastable form of calcium carbonate, by the year 2050. By 2100, this undersaturation could extend throughout the entire Southern Ocean and into the subarctic Pacific Ocean. When live pteropods were exposed to our predicted level of undersaturation during a two-day shipboard experiment, their aragonite shells showed notable dissolution. Our findings indicate that conditions detrimental to high-latitude ecosystems could develop within decades, not centuries as suggested previously.

Ocean Acidification - Google Books

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification Abstract Nature

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification
Jason M. Hall-Spencer1, Riccardo Rodolfo-Metalpa1, Sophie Martin2, Emma Ransome1, Maoz Fine3,4, Suzanne M. Turner5, Sonia J. Rowley1, Dario Tedesco6,7 & Maria-Cristina Buia8

The atmospheric partial pressure of carbon dioxide (pCO2) will almost certainly be double that of pre-industrial levels by 2100 and will be considerably higher than at any time during the past few million years1. The oceans are a principal sink for anthropogenic CO2 where it is estimated to have caused a 30% increase in the concentration of H+ in ocean surface waters since the early 1900s and may lead to a drop in seawater pH of up to 0.5 units by 2100 (refs 2, 3). Our understanding of how increased ocean acidity may affect marine ecosystems is at present very limited as almost all studies have been in vitro, short-term, rapid perturbation experiments on isolated elements of the ecosystem4, 5. Here we show the effects of acidification on benthic ecosystems at shallow coastal sites where volcanic CO2 vents lower the pH of the water column. Along gradients of normal pH (8.1–8.2) to lowered pH (mean 7.8–7.9, minimum 7.4–7.5), typical rocky shore communities with abundant calcareous organisms shifted to communities lacking scleractinian corals with significant reductions in sea urchin and coralline algal abundance. To our knowledge, this is the first ecosystem-scale validation of predictions that these important groups of organisms are susceptible to elevated amounts of pCO2. Sea-grass production was highest in an area at mean pH 7.6 (1,827

atm pCO2) where coralline algal biomass was significantly reduced and gastropod shells were dissolving due to periods of carbonate sub-saturation. The species populating the vent sites comprise a suite of organisms that are resilient to naturally high concentrations of pCO2 and indicate that ocean acidification may benefit highly invasive non-native algal species. Our results provide the first in situ insights into how shallow water marine communities might change when susceptible organisms are removed owing to ocean acidification.

Real information on ocean acidification at these three sites, not flap yapping of pretend scientists.

The last paper actually had some good info. And lo and behold it supports evolution! Hurrah! Some critters do better in certain areas than other critters do. How totally unsurprising. But the first one you provided is yet more science fiction....

From the Abstract...

Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide.


In other words, more science fiction.

If you're going to reject models in their entirety, you really need to give up all mainstream science. Oh, I forgot, you have.
But first, if you EVER attempt to make a prediction or a projection of any natural process, we will beat you about the head and shoulders with this post.

The denier tactic of rejecting all models is just one more way you all make yourselves look stupid beyond belief.

 

[westwall]

Flood, droughts, is there anything that CO2 can't do?

Also, it is destroying life in our oceans:

Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic

Acidification is a lie. Only true believers and morons give it any creedence. the facts are we could burn every carbon bearing rock on this planet and the net effect would be to lower the pH from 8.1 to 8.0. Still very alkaline.

There have been numerous studies and in every single one the critters have grown thicker shells. EVERY SINGLE ONE! And this in the face of acid levels thousands of times higher than they could ever experience in the real world.

Feel free to cite the scientific articles that you get your information from.

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

Principia Scientifica Intl.

Stance on Climate Change
PSI regularly publishes commentary which claims that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas and that it could actually cool the planet. For example, in an article published in November 2013, “PSI Staff” wrote:

Scientists at Principia Scientific International (PSI), who peer-reviewed Nahle's paper, are currently advising colleagues that the most reliable data available now confirms that CO2 is shown to act as a coolant in earth's climate. As such, the notion of a so-called 'greenhouse gas' warming effect may be regarded as refuted, while environmental measures by governments and individuals to reduce “carbon emissions” to combat climate change are, in turn, rendered pointless.

In 2013, PSI also began to promote unfounded claims that wind turbines make people sick and that childhood vaccines were “one of the largest most evil lies in history.”

Well, now we see the kind of 'science' that Mr. Westwall supports. Real kinky fruitloop idiocy.

Post a paper that supports AGW from any source that DOESN'T get their funding from the fraud of AGW.

Go ahead, I dare you.

 

[westwall]

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms Abstract Nature

Anthropogenic ocean acidification over the twenty-first century and its impact on calcifying organisms
James C. Orr1, Victoria J. Fabry2, Olivier Aumont3, Laurent Bopp1, Scott C. Doney4, Richard A. Feely5, Anand Gnanadesikan6, Nicolas Gruber7, Akio Ishida8, Fortunat Joos9, Robert M. Key10, Keith Lindsay11, Ernst Maier-Reimer12, Richard Matear13, Patrick Monfray1,19, Anne Mouchet14, Raymond G. Najjar15, Gian-Kasper Plattner7,9, Keith B. Rodgers1,16,19, Christopher L. Sabine5, Jorge L. Sarmiento10, Reiner Schlitzer17, Richard D. Slater10, Ian J. Totterdell18,19, Marie-France Weirig17, Yasuhiro Yamanaka8 & Andrew Yool18

Today's surface ocean is saturated with respect to calcium carbonate, but increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations are reducing ocean pH and carbonate ion concentrations, and thus the level of calcium carbonate saturation. Experimental evidence suggests that if these trends continue, key marine organisms—such as corals and some plankton—will have difficulty maintaining their external calcium carbonate skeletons. Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide. In our projections, Southern Ocean surface waters will begin to become undersaturated with respect to aragonite, a metastable form of calcium carbonate, by the year 2050. By 2100, this undersaturation could extend throughout the entire Southern Ocean and into the subarctic Pacific Ocean. When live pteropods were exposed to our predicted level of undersaturation during a two-day shipboard experiment, their aragonite shells showed notable dissolution. Our findings indicate that conditions detrimental to high-latitude ecosystems could develop within decades, not centuries as suggested previously.

Ocean Acidification - Google Books

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification Abstract Nature

Volcanic carbon dioxide vents show ecosystem effects of ocean acidification
Jason M. Hall-Spencer1, Riccardo Rodolfo-Metalpa1, Sophie Martin2, Emma Ransome1, Maoz Fine3,4, Suzanne M. Turner5, Sonia J. Rowley1, Dario Tedesco6,7 & Maria-Cristina Buia8

The atmospheric partial pressure of carbon dioxide (pCO2) will almost certainly be double that of pre-industrial levels by 2100 and will be considerably higher than at any time during the past few million years1. The oceans are a principal sink for anthropogenic CO2 where it is estimated to have caused a 30% increase in the concentration of H+ in ocean surface waters since the early 1900s and may lead to a drop in seawater pH of up to 0.5 units by 2100 (refs 2, 3). Our understanding of how increased ocean acidity may affect marine ecosystems is at present very limited as almost all studies have been in vitro, short-term, rapid perturbation experiments on isolated elements of the ecosystem4, 5. Here we show the effects of acidification on benthic ecosystems at shallow coastal sites where volcanic CO2 vents lower the pH of the water column. Along gradients of normal pH (8.1–8.2) to lowered pH (mean 7.8–7.9, minimum 7.4–7.5), typical rocky shore communities with abundant calcareous organisms shifted to communities lacking scleractinian corals with significant reductions in sea urchin and coralline algal abundance. To our knowledge, this is the first ecosystem-scale validation of predictions that these important groups of organisms are susceptible to elevated amounts of pCO2. Sea-grass production was highest in an area at mean pH 7.6 (1,827

atm pCO2) where coralline algal biomass was significantly reduced and gastropod shells were dissolving due to periods of carbonate sub-saturation. The species populating the vent sites comprise a suite of organisms that are resilient to naturally high concentrations of pCO2 and indicate that ocean acidification may benefit highly invasive non-native algal species. Our results provide the first in situ insights into how shallow water marine communities might change when susceptible organisms are removed owing to ocean acidification.

Real information on ocean acidification at these three sites, not flap yapping of pretend scientists.

The last paper actually had some good info. And lo and behold it supports evolution! Hurrah! Some critters do better in certain areas than other critters do. How totally unsurprising. But the first one you provided is yet more science fiction....

From the Abstract...

Here we use 13 models of the ocean–carbon cycle to assess calcium carbonate saturation under the IS92a 'business-as-usual' scenario for future emissions of anthropogenic carbon dioxide.


In other words, more science fiction.

If you're going to reject models in their entirety, you really need to give up all mainstream science. Oh, I forgot, you have.
But first, if you EVER attempt to make a prediction or a projection of any natural process, we will beat you about the head and shoulders with this post.

The denier tactic of rejecting all models is just one more way you all make yourselves look stupid beyond belief.

I reject shitty models. I tell you what. When you can present a model that can do an accurate hindcast of the weather that occurred a day ago, I will listen to you then. Until then you have a computer modeling industry that produces shit, and nothing but shit.

 

[westwall]

Read and learn something....


CP - Abstract - Water pH and temperature in Lake Biwa from MBT CBT indices during the last 280 000 years

Ocean Acidification Claims are Misleading and deliberately so Principia Scientific Intl

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/corals_acidification.pdf

the first doesn't mention ocean water at all.

The second and third are climate denier websites (i.e. NOT AT ALL SCIENTIFIC)

So again we are back to you spouting political faith, that is devoid of any supporting scientific evidence.

That's because it was an EXPERIMENT. It wasn't based on computer models which is all that your precious sources present. So here is a case where scientists actually DID an experiment in the real world and you, the clownboy, prefers science fiction to empirical data.

You're dismissed.

All it takes is a modicum of critical thinking. Why are the websites that are paid for with petro-dollars at variance with the Academies of Science of every developed country in the world? Oh right, it is because they are paid for by petroleum companies.

why? Did you answer that or not?

It was a rhetorical question. No one with a brain would trust petroleum companies to tell them the truth about fossil fuel pollution. That would be like trusting police to tell us the truth about police brutality. Impossible.

So, by your metric, any company, university, or researcher who likewise receives funding based on their continued support of AGW "theory" is likewise tainted.

Correct?

Can't have it both ways now can we....

 

[Old Rocks]

So now we have Mr. Westwall claiming that all the Scientific Societies in the world, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world are corrupt. And pray tell me what organization is the 'Fraud of AGW'?. Mr. Westwall, you are just as kooky as Mr. CrusaderFrank. Wonderful peer group you have there.

 

[westwall]

So now we have Mr. Westwall claiming that all the Scientific Societies in the world, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities in the world are corrupt. And pray tell me what organization is the 'Fraud of AGW'?. Mr. Westwall, you are just as kooky as Mr. CrusaderFrank. Wonderful peer group you have there.

Do they generate their funding based on supporting the fraud of AGW. Yes or no?

C'mon olfraud. It's an easy question to answer. Funny how you jump all over the military industrial complex for doing the exact same thing yet are blind as the proverbial fucking bat when it is an industry that you support.