Colorado tries to find middle ground in the gay rights issue

[martybegan]

They choose to to file the complaint to leverage the law.

They don't have to. They know what they're doing.

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The business CHOOSES to break the law. They dont have to.

MLK CHOSE to break the law, he didn't have to.
Rosa Parks CHOSE to break the law, she didn't have to.

And they both faced up to the consequences, they didn't try to say they were exempt because of religion.

So that makes the laws they broke right?

No, it makes it the law, fair or not. Break it and get nailed, so don't whine like a child about it or claim your religion makes the laws of this nation invalid. That you can test that in court, if you are willing to lose everything in the process potentially.

So i guess you want to deport every single illegal alien out there, right?

 

[Papageorgio]

This is interesting. Two bills being promoted right now in Colorado:

Gay marriage opponents propose 2 Colorado ballot measures - Washington Times

The first would redefine same-sex marriages as civil unions.

The second would allow wedding-related businesses opposed to gay marriage to hire a contractor to serve same-sex couples.

That sounds like reasonable middle ground. Personally, I don't care how they're defined, but the second one does allow someone to avoid being "forced" to go against their beliefs.

Good enough? Or is compromise still a dirty word?

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Unnecessary.

If you want to run a business in public, then follow the civil rights act.

Contracting out is perfectly legal.

 

[martybegan]

Incidentally, Jesus Christ was much clearer on the issue of divorce than he was on even mentioning same sex marriage.

Where are the Christian businesses who refuse to do business with people who've been divorced?

Still not your call to make.

 

[martybegan]

Where in the constitution does it state you automatically lose your rights when you try to sell something?

Where is there a right to infringe on a consumer's liberty to engage in commerce..

Also, where does it state that the government, through the commerce clause, cannot create a law diminishing one's ability to discriminate in such ways that deny another their liberty?

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

They need to obey the law.

A weasel answer from a weasel.

 

[BluesLegend]

Gays want the legal right to intentionally target Christians and sue them so no there's no middle ground.

Christians want to engage in public commerce while also avoiding anti bigotry public accommodations laws??

Where in the constitution does it state you automatically lose your rights when you try to sell something?

Where is there a right to infringe on a consumer's liberty to engage in commerce..

Also, where does it state that the government, through the commerce clause, cannot create a law diminishing one's ability to discriminate in such ways that deny another their liberty?

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

One sided?

Christians actually had the LAW on their discriminatory view's side......now that that vile bigotry as mandated by law is over?

GOOD.

So gays are looking for revenge and payback? It seems to me gays have been free to be gays for decades and the sky hasn't fallen. Why all the drama.

 

[daws101]

looks to me like our residents homophobes are in the third stage of grief!
ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

Considering I have no issue with SSM if it was voted in by the State legislatures, your broad brush doesn't hit me.

Try again.

as always you are talking out your ass ...it bitch slapped you so hard it knocked your last real tooth out!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where is there a right to infringe on a consumer's liberty to engage in commerce..

Also, where does it state that the government, through the commerce clause, cannot create a law diminishing one's ability to discriminate in such ways that deny another their liberty?

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

They need to obey the law.

A weasel answer from a weasel.

The fundamental principle of laws is weasely now?

 

[daws101]

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Kind of like the way blacks went after all the racists when they gained their civil rights.

Perfectly understandable, and the racists had it coming to them.

Why do you have to point to blacks and their civil rights struggle, can't you make the argument for gays on its own? Many blacks will tell you they resent gays trying to equate the gay rights struggle with the black civil rights struggle they find that offensive.

why do you need to try to control the way G5000 argues?

 

[BluesLegend]

Where in the constitution does it state you automatically lose your rights when you try to sell something?

Where is there a right to infringe on a consumer's liberty to engage in commerce..

Also, where does it state that the government, through the commerce clause, cannot create a law diminishing one's ability to discriminate in such ways that deny another their liberty?

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

They need to obey the law.

The law is in conflict with the Constitution, several SCOTUS justices say so.

 

[martybegan]

looks to me like our residents homophobes are in the third stage of grief!
ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

Considering I have no issue with SSM if it was voted in by the State legislatures, your broad brush doesn't hit me.

Try again.

as always you are talking out your ass ...it bitch slapped you so hard it knocked your last real tooth out!

I consider your non-answer to show you have nothing real to add, and no response to my position.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Incidentally, Jesus Christ was much clearer on the issue of divorce than he was on even mentioning same sex marriage.

Where are the Christian businesses who refuse to do business with people who've been divorced?

Still not your call to make.

I'm not making any call. I'm asking how it is that a Christian can ignore one explicit admonition from Jesus Christ on the one hand and then invent a belief that Jesus Christ never actually advocated,

and still expect to be taken seriously enough to be given exemptions from the secular laws of the land.

 

[martybegan]

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

They need to obey the law.

A weasel answer from a weasel.

The fundamental principle of laws is weasely now?

Referring only to "the law" and not the reason behind the law is.

Woolworth's was only following "the law" when it had segregated lunch counters. By your argument, those were right, and just and should be followed, because big daddy government knows best.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where is there a right to infringe on a consumer's liberty to engage in commerce..

Also, where does it state that the government, through the commerce clause, cannot create a law diminishing one's ability to discriminate in such ways that deny another their liberty?

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

They need to obey the law.

The law is in conflict with the Constitution, several SCOTUS justices say so.

Several? How many is that? Like four? Three? lol

 

[daws101]

looks to me like our residents homophobes are in the third stage of grief!
ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

Considering I have no issue with SSM if it was voted in by the State legislatures, your broad brush doesn't hit me.

Try again.

as always you are talking out your ass ...it bitch slapped you so hard it knocked your last real tooth out!

I consider your non-answer to show you have nothing real to add, and no response to my position.

you have no position.

 

[martybegan]

Incidentally, Jesus Christ was much clearer on the issue of divorce than he was on even mentioning same sex marriage.

Where are the Christian businesses who refuse to do business with people who've been divorced?

Still not your call to make.

I'm not making any call. I'm asking how it is that a Christian can ignore one explicit admonition from Jesus Christ on the one hand and then invent a belief that Jesus Christ never actually advocated,

and still expect to be taken seriously enough to be given exemptions from the secular laws of the land.

Not your call to make, and not government's when there is no compelling government interest.

 

[BluesLegend]

Where in the constitution does it state you automatically lose your rights when you try to sell something?

Where is there a right to infringe on a consumer's liberty to engage in commerce..

Also, where does it state that the government, through the commerce clause, cannot create a law diminishing one's ability to discriminate in such ways that deny another their liberty?

You clowns try to pretend gays are looking for common ground with Christians, its laughable. The militant gays are intentionally targeting Christians intending from the start to rub their noses in this, entrap them, leap on them like a pack of wild dogs with law suits, boycotts, and harassment which is exactly what they did to this couple. Its completely one sided with intent to harm and the SCOTUS has opened up a whole can-o-worms that will clog the courts.

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

time to grow up .....

As I predicted there is no middle ground. no tolerance. I personally really don't care I'm just telling you if gays continue to intentionally try to pick fights with Christians that isn't going to end well for them.

 

[Mac1958]

This is interesting. Two bills being promoted right now in Colorado:

Gay marriage opponents propose 2 Colorado ballot measures - Washington Times

The first would redefine same-sex marriages as civil unions.

The second would allow wedding-related businesses opposed to gay marriage to hire a contractor to serve same-sex couples.

That sounds like reasonable middle ground. Personally, I don't care how they're defined, but the second one does allow someone to avoid being "forced" to go against their beliefs.

Good enough? Or is compromise still a dirty word?

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Unnecessary.

If you want to run a business in public, then follow the civil rights act.

Contracting out is perfectly legal.

It's an obvious answer and a good idea.

The PC Police won't be able to complain so that "consequences" can be issued, which means they'll be disappointed, but otherwise it's perfectly reasonable.

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[martybegan]

looks to me like our residents homophobes are in the third stage of grief!
ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")

Considering I have no issue with SSM if it was voted in by the State legislatures, your broad brush doesn't hit me.

Try again.

as always you are talking out your ass ...it bitch slapped you so hard it knocked your last real tooth out!

I consider your non-answer to show you have nothing real to add, and no response to my position.

you have no position.

Wrong. I have explained it several times, so either 1) you can't understand it or 2) you don't want to understand it.

Either way, its not the "hate teh gays" response you are used to, so you can't handle it, and resort to ignoring it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gays have plenty of common ground with the Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots.

And those Christians who have religious conflicts or otherwise disagree with the gay community?

They need to obey the law.

A weasel answer from a weasel.

The fundamental principle of laws is weasely now?

Referring only to "the law" and not the reason behind the law is.

Woolworth's was only following "the law" when it had segregated lunch counters. By your argument, those were right, and just and should be followed, because big daddy government knows best.

First I'll ask you to prove that Woolworth's was required by state law to refuse service to blacks.

Then I would like you to prove to me that once it became against federal law to refuse service to blacks, that Woolworth was somehow not obligated to obey that law.

That's two tasks for you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gee and while we're at it let's find the middle ground on gun rights.

Maybe we'll allow people to own guns 6 months out of the year.