Company Dumps Healthcare Plan

[Howey]

This was the far left plan in the long run, to make health insurance unaffordable except through the government run exchanges.

is that another intentional lie or are you really that brainwashed and stupid?

if you're capable, read and learn.

thanks.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

Oh the irony of those comments form the far left.

Again the far left uses a far left blog site for the "facts"..

Go figure.

Are you saying the fact that Heritage came up with the mandate isn't true just because the source came from a left wing blog?

How about the original document from Stuart Butler? Will that help clear the cobwebs out of your empty skull?

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

but good that you want to encourage companies to force us to pay for you freeloaders....

Pretty sure it was you who forced us to pay for freeloaders by supporting the passage of ObamaCare which caused this to happened.

typical rightwingnut idiocy.

Now isn't that an ironic statement

 

[Jarhead]

That will work until his best employees leave to join a company that doesn't cut their pay.

In other words, you were too lazy to read what he wrote and too ideologically driven to understand it.

 

[KissMy]

The company & their employees were paying $5.5 million. That was $916.66 a month per employee. That is way higher than other companies charge, including those on Obamacare exchanges. Looks like that greedy insurance company loses $5.5 million in revenue & Obamacare, the company & it's employees win.

 

[LoneLaugher]

That will work until his best employees leave to join a company that doesn't cut their pay.

In other words, you were too lazy to read what he wrote and too ideologically driven to understand it.

I read it and understood it.

Next.

 

[Jarhead]

That will work until his best employees leave to join a company that doesn't cut their pay.

In other words, you were too lazy to read what he wrote and too ideologically driven to understand it.

I read it and understood it.

Next.

You may have read it.

But you did not understand it.

 

[francoHFW]

So what's the gd problem. It's working. Next, year the company offers good affordable insurance, and THEY get help. Competition will bend down costs in the long run.

Taxpayers are ALREADY paying for those with bad or no insurance, just in the stupidest, most expensuive way possible. It's just too bad they had to delay the employer mandate because Pubs had just put out too much lying bs and too many were panicking...

 

[M14 Shooter]

is that another intentional lie or are you really that brainwashed and stupid?

if you're capable, read and learn.

thanks.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

Oh the irony of those comments form the far left.

Again the far left uses a far left blog site for the "facts"..

Go figure.

Are you saying the fact that Heritage came up with the mandate isn't true just because the source came from a left wing blog?

How about the original document from Stuart Butler? Will that help clear the cobwebs out of your empty skull?

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf

How does the original source of the idea make it any better/worse of an idea?

 

[Kosh]

is that another intentional lie or are you really that brainwashed and stupid?

if you're capable, read and learn.

thanks.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

Oh the irony of those comments form the far left.

Again the far left uses a far left blog site for the "facts"..

Go figure.

Are you saying the fact that Heritage came up with the mandate isn't true just because the source came from a left wing blog?

How about the original document from Stuart Butler? Will that help clear the cobwebs out of your empty skull?

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf

Yes I am saying that is all a far left lie, since Edward Kennedy had been pushing the individual mandate back in the late 70's..

So yes a far left blog site lie..

 

[NYcarbineer]

A friend of mine is the benefits manager for a small company (500 employees). He tells me as of 12/31 they will no longer offer health insurance. Why?
Well, currently they spend $4M/yr on health coverage for their employees. The employees kick in another 1.5M. By dropping coverage he pays the $1M penalty. But in return he can give each employee $350/mo towards their own coverage and still come out ahead. Some employees can get more even more if the company wants to keep them. The lower paid employees can qualify for gov't subsidies, which they couldnt before because the company offered a health plan. ANd between subsidies and employer contribution they can pick exactly the coverage they want, so better for them.
All in all it's a win win for employer and employee. But since this is a zero sum game the loser is of coure the taxpayer, who will be subsidizing all the lower paid employees who dont have coverage from their jobs.
This will of course drive up the cost of Obamacare astronomically.

Every company similiarly situated is doing exactly the same analysis and they will come to exactly the same concliusions: cheaper to kick employees off the plan and just pay them a little extra.

So his current cost is 667 a month per employee and he's going to give them 350 a month cash instead?

lol, well of course he comes out ahead...

uh....and 1 million in fines.

Or did you miss that because you were so hell bent on criticizing someone for making some money?

That's another 167 per month. 350+167 equals $517.

Okay, so he's saving 150/month per employee by cutting their healthcare benefit.

 

[LoneLaugher]

In other words, you were too lazy to read what he wrote and too ideologically driven to understand it.

I read it and understood it.

Next.

You may have read it.

But you did not understand it.

Is that right? You are certain that I did not understand the OP?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I think the next time the author of this thread is going to make up a story, he should crunch the numbers a bit better.

Or, not make up stories.

 

[Jarhead]

So his current cost is 667 a month per employee and he's going to give them 350 a month cash instead?

lol, well of course he comes out ahead...

uh....and 1 million in fines.

Or did you miss that because you were so hell bent on criticizing someone for making some money?

That's another 167 per month. 350+167 equals $517.

Okay, so he's saving 150/month per employee by cutting their healthcare benefit.

You blame the man for doing what the law offered him?

Maybe if Pelosi and Obama gave everyone time to read the law.....

Never mind.

Im a racist. I get it.

 

[francoHFW]

I wonder if the company took into account the tax breaks they get, etc etc etc...Probably GOP management, fear mongered and shortsighted, and trying to make their bs point....

 

[Jarhead]

I read it and understood it.

Next.

You may have read it.

But you did not understand it.

Is that right? You are certain that I did not understand the OP?

Fine.

You read and understood it.

Explains much about things you post on here.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I wonder if the company took into account the tax breaks they get, etc etc etc...Probably GOP management, fear mongered and shortsighted, and trying to make their bs point....

Well......given that this is an imaginary company......maybe the insurance fairy will help them.

 

[francoHFW]

ACA is basically the Nixon, Dole, Heritage plan. Just shows how mindlessly obstructionist the new bs GOP is, and what a joke our corporate media is...

 

[MACAULAY]

This was the far left plan in the long run, to make health insurance unaffordable except through the government run exchanges.

is that another intentional lie or are you really that brainwashed and stupid?

if you're capable, read and learn.

thanks.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

All you are capable of is being a moronic bitch. Obama and his henchmen are on video saying the ultimate goal is single-payer(government run sub par care).

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I second the "moronic bitch" comment.

 

[RDD_1210]

All the more reason why healthcare shouldn't be tied to employment.

If this is a step towards single payer/universal healthcare then I applaud it. Anything that gets us closer to a healthcare system like every other industrialized nation is utilizing is a good thing.

After seeing how well our government handled the VA...

You sure it is such a great idea?

Sure? of course not. But evidence suggests that it can and does work in other countries. But we have seen that a private based system doesn't work for everyone.

 

[Care4all]

The large employer gets assessed at $2000-$3000 per employee per year, (as tax penalty) and this $2000-$3000 per employee is not tax deductible, as paying for insurance would be, and the large employer's employees would not be eligible for any subsidies if he offers them the $350 towards health insurance on the exchange, AND the $350 that he would give employees to buy insurance is also not tax deductible because the law states you must be buying the health insurance for the employee, not for the employee to buy their own, so the IRS would not allow that $350 as a deduction...they could just give them all a $350 raise, then that could be deductible, i suppose....

Most large companies offer health care insurance because their employees demand it, and when they go and get rid of the benefit, it is the beginning of their best employees to a mass exodus, of them leaving and going to companies that do offer it....

Before the Obama care mandate, large corporations could have dropped their insurance any time they wanted, or never have offered it in the first place....there was nothing stopping them, no penalties or any of that...yet most of them offered health care insurance....for recruiting the best employees.

Good luck to your friend's company!