Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[georgephillip]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

German capitalists killed millions of socialists in Russia and Ukraine.

Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia

"The failure of Operation Barbarossa proved a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich.[25]

"Most importantly, the operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history.

"The Eastern Front became the site of some of the largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of both World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century.

"The German armies captured 5,000,000 Red Army troops, who were denied the protection guaranteed by the Hague Conventions and the 1929 Geneva Convention.

"A majority of Red Army POWs never returned alive.

"The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million prisoners of war, as well as a huge number of civilians (through the 'Hunger Plan' which aimed at largely replacing the Slavic population with German settlers).[26]

"Einsatzgruppen death-squads and gassing operations murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[27]"

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

Why did the National Socialists invade the USSR?

 

[danielpalos]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

the socialism of command economics took us to the Moon, last millennium.

the private sector has yet to discover a profit motive.

 

[georgephillip]

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

George is a liar, as all Communists are.

His numbers count Somalia, Liberia, and Angola as "capitalist".

Debate can only happen among honest men. georgephillip is not honest, nor anywhere near honest.

George is a liar, as all Communists are.

His numbers count Somalia, Liberia, and Angola as "capitalist".

Debate can only happen among honest men. georgephillip is not honest, nor anywhere near honest

What would a right-wing, racist maggot like you know about honesty?

You won’t say it, so I will: capitalism is the underlying cause of mass shootings in the US

"There is a story inoculated into your mind at a very young age in the U.S. The story that competition and individualism are the prerequisites to liberty or freedom.

"This is a story told by neoliberalism, the defining political ideology of our time.

"Neoliberalism’s ideology has seeped into our language. Its tendrils so deep that not a single aspect of our lives isn’t touched by it.

"At its heart is a radical belief in the ultimate personal freedom at the expense of everyone.

"Friedrich Hayek, an Austrian economist, first created the ideology in the mid-1900s.

"It was simple.

"That redistribution of wealth, political freedom, and human equality were harmful.

"Those ideas restrict the freedom of the rich and powerful.

"Who, he argued, would drive humanity forward with their opulent spending, their freedom to push the boundaries of human existence."

Such idiocy.

If I buy an apple from a street vendor, wealth has been redistributed.

You know less than nothing of Hayek, nor of economics in general, Austrian or otherwise.

Such idiocy.

If I buy an apple from a street vendor, wealth has been redistributed.

You know less than nothing of Hayek, nor of economics in general, Austrian or otherwise.

Philip Pilkington: The Origins of Neoliberalism, Part I – Hayek’s Delusion | naked capitalism

"Friedrich Hayek was an unusual character.

"Although well known to be a libertarian political philosopher, he is also commonly associated with being an economist.

"And it’s certainly true that at one time Hayek’s focus was solely on economics.

"In the 1920s Hayek was still within the fold of pure economics, publishing papers and works that were taken seriously by the discipline.

"However, by the 1930s Hayek’s theories had started to come apart at the seams.

"Exchanges between Hayek and John Maynard Keynes and Piero Sraffa show Hayek as confused and even somewhat desperate. It was around this time that Hayek discontinued making any substantial contributions to economics.

"Not coincidentally this overlapped with the time when most economies, mired as in Great Depression, demonstrated that Hayek’s theories were at best impractical, at worst a complete perversion of facts."

 

[Uncensored2008]

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

German capitalists killed millions of socialists in Russia and Ukraine.

Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia

"The failure of Operation Barbarossa proved a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich.[25]

"Most importantly, the operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history.

"The Eastern Front became the site of some of the largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of both World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century.

"The German armies captured 5,000,000 Red Army troops, who were denied the protection guaranteed by the Hague Conventions and the 1929 Geneva Convention.

"A majority of Red Army POWs never returned alive.

"The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million prisoners of war, as well as a huge number of civilians (through the 'Hunger Plan' which aimed at largely replacing the Slavic population with German settlers).[26]

"Einsatzgruppen death-squads and gassing operations murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[27]"

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

Why did the National Socialists invade the USSR?

Like all socialists they wanted to rule the world, force everyone to bend to their will, Same reason Stalin invaded Poland and the Baltic's.

 

[georgephillip]

Or to a far greater degree, Obama who you worship as a literal god....

You're projecting. That's how Republicans/Trumpers look at Trump. I do NOT see politicians that way. Ever.

BTW, most of us don't really like Trump, but we like his agenda and accomplishments.

You fuckers defend him like he was your 3 yr old child (which in many ways he is) and his agenda is no better than his personality. His accomplishments are nil.

Lol
We’ve had career politicians as president for decades and decades, What do we have to show for it... failure

What do we have to show for electing a reality TV host?

Failure

Lol
Only in your opinion. Rural America actually has some hope for once in many, many decades.

There is no doubt Trump is far from an saint, And his personal life was not to be admired, But that was before he became an elected official. While in office his personal life has been drama free. But the part that matters he governs like a conservative… Rural America will never succeed under the thumb of urban America. Under Obama rural America Was dying on the vine just like every other career politician before him.

I understand that you want to pit rural against urban...red state against blue

But Trump is screwing all of us.

Check out the Governor of South Dakota.

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said Friday that President Donald Trump’s trade wars have “devastated” her state, and though she agreed that countries like China were not following fair trade practices, she urged the Trump administration to quickly wrap up its trade talks there.


“South Dakota has been devastated by the trade wars that are going on,” Noem said at POLITICO’s State Solutions Conference, noting that agriculture is “by far” the largest industry in the state. The Republican governor warned that the trade woes of farmers can trickle down to the rest of the state, impacting “every main street business, everybody that has another entity out there that relies on a successful ag industry.”

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said Friday that President Donald Trump’s trade wars have “devastated” her state, and though she agreed that countries like China were not following fair trade practices, she urged the Trump administration to quickly wrap up its trade talks there.

Governor Noem is not alone in pointing out the devastation inherent in Trump's economy:
"'Unhinged madman': Former U.S. budget director says Trump is 'conducting 4 wars on the economy...'"

'Unhinged madman': Former U.S. budget director says Trump is 'conducting 4 wars on the economy'

"'We have a delusional, unhinged madman in the Oval Office, and anything is possible,' David Stockman, the former director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) under President Ronald Reagan, told Yahoo Finance’s The Ticker (video above). “He's conducting four wars on the American economy, and it's not going to make it great again.”

"Stockman, who just published Peak Trump: The Undrainable Swamp And The Fantasy Of MAGA, argued that Trump is waging a trade war, a border war, a political war against the Fed, and a war on the nation’s solvency."

 

[JGalt]

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

German capitalists killed millions of socialists in Russia and Ukraine.

Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia

"The failure of Operation Barbarossa proved a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich.[25]

"Most importantly, the operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history.

"The Eastern Front became the site of some of the largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of both World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century.

"The German armies captured 5,000,000 Red Army troops, who were denied the protection guaranteed by the Hague Conventions and the 1929 Geneva Convention.

"A majority of Red Army POWs never returned alive.

"The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million prisoners of war, as well as a huge number of civilians (through the 'Hunger Plan' which aimed at largely replacing the Slavic population with German settlers).[26]

"Einsatzgruppen death-squads and gassing operations murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[27]"

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

Why did the National Socialists invade the USSR?

Like all socialists they wanted to rule the world, force everyone to bend to their will, Same reason Stalin invaded Poland and the Baltic's.

That, and Hitler despised Slavik peoples. The Red Army wasn't much of a force when his invasion started, and he thought it would be easy.

Of course, once we started shipping lend-lease weapons and vehicles to Russia, they started putting up a fight.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

German capitalists killed millions of socialists in Russia and Ukraine.

Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia

"The failure of Operation Barbarossa proved a turning point in the fortunes of the Third Reich.[25]

"Most importantly, the operation opened up the Eastern Front, in which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history.

"The Eastern Front became the site of some of the largest battles, most horrific atrocities, and highest casualties (for Soviet and Axis forces alike), all of which influenced the course of both World War II and the subsequent history of the 20th century.

"The German armies captured 5,000,000 Red Army troops, who were denied the protection guaranteed by the Hague Conventions and the 1929 Geneva Convention.

"A majority of Red Army POWs never returned alive.

"The Nazis deliberately starved to death, or otherwise killed, 3.3 million prisoners of war, as well as a huge number of civilians (through the 'Hunger Plan' which aimed at largely replacing the Slavic population with German settlers).[26]

"Einsatzgruppen death-squads and gassing operations murdered over a million Soviet Jews as part of the Holocaust.[27]"

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

The National Socialists were "capitalists?"

You lying fuck.

Why did the National Socialists invade the USSR?

Like all socialists they wanted to rule the world, force everyone to bend to their will, Same reason Stalin invaded Poland and the Baltic's.

we should abolish our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

there is no demand, only supply, supply, supply.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Capitalism got a head start in mass killing:

"A world war erupted — thanks, in large part, as historians agree, to a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">global depression.

"But what caused the Great Depression? Capitalism — the speculative frenzy and inequality of the rip-roaring 1920s.

"Capitalism poured the fuel of fascism all over the world, in nations like Germany and Italy, who were heavily indebted by that point, and it only took a handful of demagogues to set the world alight. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); font-family: medium-content-serif-font, Georgia, Cambria, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; letter-spacing: -0.063px;">How many people died in World War II? 25 million — just soldiers. 50 million — including civilians. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease.

"We’re getting into some spectacular numbers, aren’t we? Let’s take the middle one, just for conservatism’s sake. We’re already at about 70 million."

If Communism Killed Millions, How Many Did Capitalism Kill?

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

George is a liar, as all Communists are.

His numbers count Somalia, Liberia, and Angola as "capitalist".

Debate can only happen among honest men. georgephillip is not honest, nor anywhere near honest.

George is a liar, as all Communists are.

His numbers count Somalia, Liberia, and Angola as "capitalist".

Debate can only happen among honest men. georgephillip is not honest, nor anywhere near honest

What would a right-wing, racist maggot like you know about honesty?

You won’t say it, so I will: capitalism is the underlying cause of mass shootings in the US

"There is a story inoculated into your mind at a very young age in the U.S. The story that competition and individualism are the prerequisites to liberty or freedom.

"This is a story told by neoliberalism, the defining political ideology of our time.

"Neoliberalism’s ideology has seeped into our language. Its tendrils so deep that not a single aspect of our lives isn’t touched by it.

"At its heart is a radical belief in the ultimate personal freedom at the expense of everyone.

"Friedrich Hayek, an Austrian economist, first created the ideology in the mid-1900s.

"It was simple.

"That redistribution of wealth, political freedom, and human equality were harmful.

"Those ideas restrict the freedom of the rich and powerful.

"Who, he argued, would drive humanity forward with their opulent spending, their freedom to push the boundaries of human existence."

Such idiocy.

If I buy an apple from a street vendor, wealth has been redistributed.

You know less than nothing of Hayek, nor of economics in general, Austrian or otherwise.

Such idiocy.

If I buy an apple from a street vendor, wealth has been redistributed.

You know less than nothing of Hayek, nor of economics in general, Austrian or otherwise.

Philip Pilkington: The Origins of Neoliberalism, Part I – Hayek’s Delusion | naked capitalism

"Friedrich Hayek was an unusual character.

"Although well known to be a libertarian political philosopher, he is also commonly associated with being an economist.

"And it’s certainly true that at one time Hayek’s focus was solely on economics.

"In the 1920s Hayek was still within the fold of pure economics, publishing papers and works that were taken seriously by the discipline.

"However, by the 1930s Hayek’s theories had started to come apart at the seams.

"Exchanges between Hayek and John Maynard Keynes and Piero Sraffa show Hayek as confused and even somewhat desperate. It was around this time that Hayek discontinued making any substantial contributions to economics.

"Not coincidentally this overlapped with the time when most economies, mired as in Great Depression, demonstrated that Hayek’s theories were at best impractical, at worst a complete perversion of facts."

Oh, Hayek was "confused" by Keynes?

Hayek took the fool apart.

Marxist revisionism is utterly amusing.

For anyone who actually cares, here are the actual facts.

The Hayek-Keynes Debate, 1931-1971 | Sudha R. Shenoy

 

[georgephillip]

[
What do we have to show for electing a reality TV host?

Failure

Best economy in 60 years, lowest unemployment among minorities in history, Ending the aid to Iran's nuclear weapons program, opening the road to peace and reunification in Korea, no new wars and efforts to bring Obama's war in Syria to a close.

Since you consider that "failure," it's pretty damned clear what your agenda is, Comrade.

Best economy in 60 years, lowest unemployment among minorities in history, Ending the aid to Iran's nuclear weapons program, opening the road to peace and reunification in Korea

Best economy in 60 years if you don't consider the "King of Debt's" contribution

The unhinged lunatic in the White House has the potential to bury the GOP for a generation, at least.

Will you blame socialism for that?

 

[Edgetho]

Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured

Dead people.

It's all they're capable of producing.

Well, stupidity is its foremost product. Stupid people.

Just look in here. Every one of them is so stupid, they can hardly breathe and walk at the same time.

Capitalism is the worst form of economics ever devised except for all the others that have ever been tried.

It's difficult. It's hard work and many people fail at it.

Look at your average dimocrap scumbag...... Life's failures, most of them. The rank and file, anyway. The uber-rich? Corporatists trying to cement their place in society. Too afraid of competition. Certain in their belief that socialism will protect them from their worst fears -- Competition.

The Age of State Socialism is Dead.

The age of Technocracy is here. Totalitarian Technocracy.

But dimocraps are consistent in one thing -- Their stupidity. That is one thing you can always count on from them.

Technocracy is the next threat to Freedom. And a significant one.

dimocrap scum will jump on that bandwagon as soon as they can open their eyes long enough to see that it's just another bastard child of socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

"the sky is falling", is all the right wing knows.

their use of socialism is for mere dramatic effect not any form of rational argument.

 

[georgephillip]

Like all socialists they wanted to rule the world, force everyone to bend to their will, Same reason Stalin invaded Poland and the Baltic's.

Why did Hitler kill communists and tolerate capitalists?

 

[francoHFW]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Authoritarian dictatorship

Hands down

Socialism requires authoritarian dictatorship, which is why socialism is the deadliest system in modern human history. Oh yes, the Aztecs were probably worse, Babylon was very fond of mass murder as well. But for anything modern, nothing kills as many people as socialism.

And let's face is leach, that is one of the primary attractions to it for you.

everyIn theworld but right wing GOP dupes knows that socialism is not communism and is always democratic. Wake up and smell the coffee. Check any Socialist Party in the modern world.... Brainwashed functional moron

 

[georgephillip]

Communism has murdered over 5 times as many and at least under capitalism, those people had the opportunity to survive. Unlike communism, which didn't offer their victims a choice.

George is a liar, as all Communists are.

His numbers count Somalia, Liberia, and Angola as "capitalist".

Debate can only happen among honest men. georgephillip is not honest, nor anywhere near honest.

George is a liar, as all Communists are.

His numbers count Somalia, Liberia, and Angola as "capitalist".

Debate can only happen among honest men. georgephillip is not honest, nor anywhere near honest

What would a right-wing, racist maggot like you know about honesty?

You won’t say it, so I will: capitalism is the underlying cause of mass shootings in the US

"There is a story inoculated into your mind at a very young age in the U.S. The story that competition and individualism are the prerequisites to liberty or freedom.

"This is a story told by neoliberalism, the defining political ideology of our time.

"Neoliberalism’s ideology has seeped into our language. Its tendrils so deep that not a single aspect of our lives isn’t touched by it.

"At its heart is a radical belief in the ultimate personal freedom at the expense of everyone.

"Friedrich Hayek, an Austrian economist, first created the ideology in the mid-1900s.

"It was simple.

"That redistribution of wealth, political freedom, and human equality were harmful.

"Those ideas restrict the freedom of the rich and powerful.

"Who, he argued, would drive humanity forward with their opulent spending, their freedom to push the boundaries of human existence."

Such idiocy.

If I buy an apple from a street vendor, wealth has been redistributed.

You know less than nothing of Hayek, nor of economics in general, Austrian or otherwise.

Such idiocy.

If I buy an apple from a street vendor, wealth has been redistributed.

You know less than nothing of Hayek, nor of economics in general, Austrian or otherwise.

Philip Pilkington: The Origins of Neoliberalism, Part I – Hayek’s Delusion | naked capitalism

"Friedrich Hayek was an unusual character.

"Although well known to be a libertarian political philosopher, he is also commonly associated with being an economist.

"And it’s certainly true that at one time Hayek’s focus was solely on economics.

"In the 1920s Hayek was still within the fold of pure economics, publishing papers and works that were taken seriously by the discipline.

"However, by the 1930s Hayek’s theories had started to come apart at the seams.

"Exchanges between Hayek and John Maynard Keynes and Piero Sraffa show Hayek as confused and even somewhat desperate. It was around this time that Hayek discontinued making any substantial contributions to economics.

"Not coincidentally this overlapped with the time when most economies, mired as in Great Depression, demonstrated that Hayek’s theories were at best impractical, at worst a complete perversion of facts."

Oh, Hayek was "confused" by Keynes?

Hayek took the fool apart.

Marxist revisionism is utterly amusing.

For anyone who actually cares, here are the actual facts.

The Hayek-Keynes Debate, 1931-1971 | Sudha R. Shenoy

Oh, Hayek was "confused" by Keynes?

Hayek took the fool apart.

Marxist revisionism is utterly amusing.

For anyone who actually cares, here are the actual facts

Philip Pilkington: The Origins of Neoliberalism, Part I – Hayek’s Delusion | naked capitalism

"Von Hayek and his fellow Austrian aristocrats who were forced to flee from the fruits of their economic programs, did a complete revision of history and retold that same story as if the very opposite of reality had happened.

"Once they were safely in England and America, sponsored and funded by oligarch grants, hacks like von Mises and von Hayek started pushing a revisionist history of the collapse of Weimar Germany blaming not their austerity measures, but rather big-spending liberals who were allegedly in charge of Germany’s last government.

"Somehow, von Hayek looked at Chancellor Bruning’s policies of massive budget cuts combined with pegging the currency to the gold standard, the policies that led to Weimar Germany’s collapse, policies that became the cornerstone of Hayek’s cult—and decided that Bruning hadn’t existed."

 

[Edgetho]

Like all socialists they wanted to rule the world, force everyone to bend to their will, Same reason Stalin invaded Poland and the Baltic's.

Why did Hitler kill communists and tolerate capitalists?

Hitler was a socialist. Do you even know the name of his party without looking it up? I doubt it. And, OBTW, HE personally named it.

Hitler killed communist apparatchiks and socialist nomenklatura mostly because they were in rival political parties. Not because of their beliefs but because they were a political threat to his party.

You people are just simply stupid.

socialism is when the government owns the means of production. communism is when there is no government.

Do you know what a 'soviet' is? I doubt that one, too.

This is like reading 3rd graders debate Relativity

 

[Mike473]

Death and misery are the top 2

 

[JGalt]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Authoritarian dictatorship

Hands down

Socialism requires authoritarian dictatorship, which is why socialism is the deadliest system in modern human history. Oh yes, the Aztecs were probably worse, Babylon was very fond of mass murder as well. But for anything modern, nothing kills as many people as socialism.

And let's face is leach, that is one of the primary attractions to it for you.

everyIn theworld but right wing GOP dupes knows that socialism is not communism and is always democratic. Wake up and smell the coffee. Check any Socialist Party in the modern world.... Brainwashed functional moron

Socialism is a step toward the final end, which is communism. Friedrich Engels who wrote the Communist Manifesto along with Marx, wrote a description of "democratic socialists" back in 1847 and explained their usefulness.

Engels described "democratic socialists" as those who "favor some of the same measures the communists advocate." Engels scolded such "democratic socialists" for not pursuing total revolution, but he also listed three points that democratic socialists and communists tend to agree on.

1. "By limiting private property in such a way that it gradually prepares the way for its transformation into social property, e.g., by progressive taxation, limitation of the right of inheritance in favour of the state, etc."

2. "By employing workers in national workshops and factories and on national estates."

3. "By educating all children at the expense of the state."

Engels wrote "In moments of action, the communists will have to come to an understanding with these democratic socialists, and in general to follow as far as possible a common policy with them – provided that these socialists do not enter into the service of the ruling bourgeoisie and attack the communists."

 

[francoHFW]

What you ignore is that in most cases (the countries forced into communism following WWII being the exception) where communism (not socialism) arose...it was because of the FAILURE of unregulated capitalism or systems very like those (Russia)

People didn't just say "Hey let's try this".

Life sucked. Look up serfdom in Russia.

That's not a defense in the least...it's an explanation

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Authoritarian dictatorship

Hands down

Socialism requires authoritarian dictatorship, which is why socialism is the deadliest system in modern human history. Oh yes, the Aztecs were probably worse, Babylon was very fond of mass murder as well. But for anything modern, nothing kills as many people as socialism.

And let's face is leach, that is one of the primary attractions to it for you.

everyIn theworld but right wing GOP dupes knows that socialism is not communism and is always democratic. Wake up and smell the coffee. Check any Socialist Party in the modern world.... Brainwashed functional moron

Socialism is a step toward the final end, which is communism. Friedrich Engels who wrote the Communist Manifesto along with Marx, wrote a description of "democratic socialists" back in 1847 and explained their usefulness.

Engels described "democratic socialists" as those who "favor some of the same measures the communists advocate." Engels scolded such "democratic socialists" for not pursuing total revolution, but he also listed three points that democratic socialists and communists tend to agree on.

1. "By limiting private property in such a way that it gradually prepares the way for its transformation into social property, e.g., by progressive taxation, limitation of the right of inheritance in favour of the state, etc."

2. "By employing workers in national workshops and factories and on national estates."

3. "By educating all children at the expense of the state."

Engels wrote "In moments of action, the communists will have to come to an understanding with these democratic socialists, and in general to follow as far as possible a common policy with them – provided that these socialists do not enter into the service of the ruling bourgeoisie and attack the communists."

Socialism has never led to Communism yet, except with a violent revolution in between. Marx was wrong about everything. People are going to have to evolve for communism to be possible except through violent revolution and total police state. Absolute garbage no one in the United States in their right mind argues for it. Socialism now means fair capitalism and that is all, brainwashed functional moron. And we don't have it here thanks to the scumbag GOP and their brainwashed dupes. We need at least to have healthcare for all.

 

[JGalt]

So which has been responsible for the deliberate murders of hundreds of millions of people throughout history? Unregulated capitalism, or communism and socialism?

Chose wisely now...

Authoritarian dictatorship

Hands down

Socialism requires authoritarian dictatorship, which is why socialism is the deadliest system in modern human history. Oh yes, the Aztecs were probably worse, Babylon was very fond of mass murder as well. But for anything modern, nothing kills as many people as socialism.

And let's face is leach, that is one of the primary attractions to it for you.

everyIn theworld but right wing GOP dupes knows that socialism is not communism and is always democratic. Wake up and smell the coffee. Check any Socialist Party in the modern world.... Brainwashed functional moron

Socialism is a step toward the final end, which is communism. Friedrich Engels who wrote the Communist Manifesto along with Marx, wrote a description of "democratic socialists" back in 1847 and explained their usefulness.

Engels described "democratic socialists" as those who "favor some of the same measures the communists advocate." Engels scolded such "democratic socialists" for not pursuing total revolution, but he also listed three points that democratic socialists and communists tend to agree on.

1. "By limiting private property in such a way that it gradually prepares the way for its transformation into social property, e.g., by progressive taxation, limitation of the right of inheritance in favour of the state, etc."

2. "By employing workers in national workshops and factories and on national estates."

3. "By educating all children at the expense of the state."

Engels wrote "In moments of action, the communists will have to come to an understanding with these democratic socialists, and in general to follow as far as possible a common policy with them – provided that these socialists do not enter into the service of the ruling bourgeoisie and attack the communists."

Socialism has never led to Communism yet, except with a violent revolution in between. Marx was wrong about everything. People are going to have to evolve for communism to be possible except through violent revolution and total police state. Absolute garbage no one in the United States in their right mind argues for it. Socialism now means fair capitalism and that is all, brainwashed functional moron. And we don't have it here thanks to the scumbag GOP and their brainwashed dupes. We need at least to have healthcare for all.

"And we'll never have it here thanks to the scumbag GOP and their brainwashed dupes.."

Fixed that for you. You're welcome.

 

[georgephillip]

Like all socialists they wanted to rule the world, force everyone to bend to their will, Same reason Stalin invaded Poland and the Baltic's.

Why did Hitler kill communists and tolerate capitalists?

Hitler was a socialist. Do you even know the name of his party without looking it up? I doubt it. And, OBTW, HE personally named it.

Hitler killed communist apparatchiks and socialist nomenklatura mostly because they were in rival political parties. Not because of their beliefs but because they were a political threat to his party.

You people are just simply stupid.

socialism is when the government owns the means of production. communism is when there is no government.

Do you know what a 'soviet' is? I doubt that one, too.

This is like reading 3rd graders debate Relativity

Hitler was a socialist. Do you even know the name of his party without looking it up? I doubt it. And, OBTW, HE personally named it.

Hitler picked socialism as a name for his party because the ideology was universally popular at that time from Dresden to Oklahoma. If he was a socialist he would have invaded England instead of Russia.