Confederate statue removed from historic North Carolina courthouse

[Correll]

Now count how many of the Confederate Statues, celebrate slavery, and I'll be happy to see you match that number with statues about slaves. God. There are other stories you boring fucker.

The Confederacy was more about maintaining slavery than noble Generals on horseback

True.

The focus on the impressive military valor of the Confederate Army, instead of the less noble cause of the war, is the type of thing an healthy society does, when looking at itself.


So, RW, what other cultures, do you attack like this?

Attack a culture dedicated to maintaining slavery?
Yes

Are you pretending to be too stupid to understand a simple question, or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Your question is absurd
Befitting of a poster who supports the institution of slavery and wants to erect monuments to a slave society

And here we see all you have to offer. Increasingly desperate dodging, covered by increasingly dishonest race baiting.



There is nothing absurd about asking what other cultures, do you reserve to yourself, the right to judge if the way they honor their ancestors, is ok or not, and that you will move to stop them, if you don't like how they do it.


Is this something you do with all cultures? Or just a few? And if not all of then, then how do you decide which cultures needs judged and which do not?



Cause from over here, it looks like you are just being a hypocritical asshole.


My question is giving you a chance to explain how and why you do what you are doing.

 

[Pogo]

We do not honor Nazi heritage

Honoring a heritage dedicated to the preservation of slavery is unwarranted

Nazis were big on wars of conquest and genocide.

What nations did the Confederates conquer? What peoples did they commit genocide on?

Or, instead of it being a good analogy, was it just a buzz word that you shit out of your face anus?

Uh black people.

Really? Germany, after the Nazis genocides, has ZERO POINT TWO PERCENT, reporting as Jewish.

America, after the Confederacy, has over TWELVE percentage black population.

Do you even know what the word "genocide" means? Or is it just a buzzword to you, to use to smear people you hate?

Do you understand the crimes and inhumanity that was done by the Confederacy.

Do you understand the fucking stupidity of a Nazi analogy, and pretending that 12 percent is the same as fucking ZERO POINT TWO percent?

I mean, I was talking to RW. He is the fucking moron that made that comparison, and stood by it. And that is the conversation you jumped into. If you want to comment on his fucking stupid post, then address his fucking stupid post.


I am discussing the rest of this issue, in the rest of this thread. THIS bit, is about the stupid shit you people say, and me calling you on it.

If you don't want to discuss how fucking stupid you libs are, when you just use buzz words, with no understanding of what the words actually mean, because you are fucking retarded,

THEN DON'T.

What you fucking don't fucking underfuckingstand in this fuckingly fucked analogy, is that fucking bad actors don't fucking all fucking work the same fucking way. Just because fucking Nazis fucking dealt in fucking genocide while fucking slaveholders fucking enslaved people, doesn't fucking affuckingfect the fucking fact that fucking Germany doesn't fucking hang up fucking statues and fucking monuments trying to fucking dilute and fucking sanitize and fucking whitewash the fucking inhufuckingmanity of their own fucking past, as do the fucking UDC edifices. Fucking both of them lost their fucking wars, did they fucking not?

Goodness gracious, that is a specious comparison.

 

[rightwinger]

We do not honor Nazi heritage

Honoring a heritage dedicated to the preservation of slavery is unwarranted

Nazis were big on wars of conquest and genocide.


What nations did the Confederates conquer? What peoples did they commit genocide on?


Or, instead of it being a good analogy, was it just a buzz word that you shit out of your face anus?

Uh black people.

Really? Germany, after the Nazis genocides, has ZERO POINT TWO PERCENT, reporting as Jewish.


America, after the Confederacy, has over TWELVE percentage black population.


Do you even know what the word "genocide" means? Or is it just a buzzword to you, to use to smear people you hate?

Do you understand the crimes and inhumanity that was done by the Confederacy.

Do you understand the fucking stupidity of a Nazi analogy, and pretending that 12 percent is the same as fucking ZERO POINT TWO percent?


I mean, I was talking to RW. He is the fucking moron that made that comparison, and stood by it. And that is the conversation you jumped into. If you want to comment on his fucking stupid post, then address his fucking stupid post.



I am discussing the rest of this issue, in the rest of this thread. THIS bit, is about the stupid shit you people say, and me calling you on it.


If you don't want to discuss how fucking stupid you libs are, when you just use buzz words, with no understanding of what the words actually mean, because you are fucking retarded,

THEN DON'T.

The Confederacy was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany

 

[Nostra]

Well, during WWII, they helped save the world from Nazis. So there is that.



You filthy crackhead.

So they saved the world from Nazis, but back home they hated their fellow Americans because they had a different skin color. Smfh.

I have no idea of the racial views of the southern troopers of WWII. I can speak to those of the North, at least the ones I knew personally growing up.


You asked a question and I answered it. Do you have something to say in response, or is this where you admit that you don't give a fuck about the facts of the matter, you just spew hate?

You have no idea of the racial views of folks from the south?

Do you think a system of Jim Crow (legal apartheid) just popped up out of nowhere despite the objections of all of those "southern troopers"??

Do you think black men who also fought for this country in that same world war were lynched and their racist murderers not even convicted despite the objections of all of those "southern troopers"??

You folks really twist yourself into pretzels to defend your confederate fetish

"Southern Troopers"? Is that what you are calling Robert KKK Byrd and the boys these days?

Ask your confederate statue circle jerk teammate...he is the one who used the term "southern troopers"

Yea, Robert Byrd was a racist back in those days...probably a racist up until his death......I wonder how pissed he was to see how Democrats changed from being the conservative racists to the party of liberal civil righters ......

I know it definitely pissed off all of them confederate lovers -- maybe that is why so many of them became republicans...

maybe that's why they always manage to show up at Trump rallies instead of Bernie rallies...

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Yeah, Byrd was so pissed at the Dims that he served right along side the rest of the Dimwinger racists until he went toes up in 2010.

 

[Polishprince]

Now count how many of the Confederate Statues, celebrate slavery, and I'll be happy to see you match that number with statues about slaves. God. There are other stories you boring fucker.

The Confederacy was more about maintaining slavery than noble Generals on horseback

True.

The focus on the impressive military valor of the Confederate Army, instead of the less noble cause of the war, is the type of thing an healthy society does, when looking at itself.


So, RW, what other cultures, do you attack like this?

Attack a culture dedicated to maintaining slavery?
Yes

Are you pretending to be too stupid to understand a simple question, or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Your question is absurd
Befitting of a poster who supports the institution of slavery and wants to erect monuments to a slave society

Monuments to Washington and Jefferson are the same, as those men had slaves.

Should the Washington monument be trashed or moved? How about moving it to one of the strip properties in Vegas on to private property, like they did with the Statue of Liberty?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Indeed it was, and indeed it was long ago. Which has ZERO to do with a propaganda drive subsequently blanketed over the land to redefine what was behind the conflict it in the first place.

Nice try, deflector shields fail.

So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?


What gives you the right to attack this culture?


Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

Why would I accept a culture that enslaved, maimed, raped, lynched and murdered my ancestors.

Because otherwise, this nation is over. And the sooner you admit that you have no plan to live in peace with your fellow citizens, the sooner we can work on what to do about that.


All I am asking is that your side stop with the lies.

We live in peace now, I don't need to see statues and honor those who harmed black folks to do that.

What did I lie about?

You're a scholar and a Gentleman - But I suspect your knowledge of African American History is limited to what Big Brother has drilled into your head for the purpose of keeping you on the plantation. Do you know who the first slave holder in USA was ... a Black Man ... do you know that the Roots saga [Alex Haley] is pure fiction ... do you that slavers did not go ashore & capture Africans - too risky, they bought them mostly from moslems --- who still practice slavery today. Do you know the story of whipped William and how he was used to rile up Northern whites to fight against the south ? So far as the statues go --- I don't really care - that's just Big Brother trying to create issues to keep us at each others throats

I assume you are a dumb ass who read a meme about Anthony Johnston and didn't read further....the slave? John Casor...

He wasn't the first slave owner, he was "AMONG" the first to go to court and declare his indentured servant be deemed slave for life...


After that, all slaves brought here from Africa were no longer declared indentured servants but slaves for life or until the owner frees them....

Is this supposed to make slavery ok because you think a black person owning another black person makes it ok??

During the Nazi/Jewish holocaust, white folks murdered other white folks, did that make the holocaust not as bad??

 

[Correll]

The "treason" such as it was, was long ago forgiven. It is not credible that you don't know this, or even care about it.

They have long ago, been readmitted to the Union and are now honored as part of the larger American heritage and culture.

Indeed it was, and indeed it was long ago. Which has ZERO to do with a propaganda drive subsequently blanketed over the land to redefine what was behind the conflict it in the first place.

Nice try, deflector shields fail.

So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?
What gives you the right to attack this culture?
Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

ZERO in the post you quoted had anything to do with "cultures", "heritages" or "multiculturalism". Which is ironic since what the post called out was your attempt to deflect. It's not every brainiac that would try to counter a charge of deflection with yet another deflection.

Historical statues and celebrating history and being proud of your groups history, is part of any group's culture and heritage.


As you well know. So, that was just a dodge. and consider your dodge mocked and dismissed.


My questions stand.


So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?
What gives you the right to attack this culture?
Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

I'm sorry to hear that if you don't have a statue in front of you on public property, you forget everything about history.

Nice strawman.


My question about how you leftards decide which cultures you will judge and which you consider legitimate enough to get a pass, stands, you hypocritical asshole.



So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?
What gives you the right to attack this culture?
Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

 

[Polishprince]

Nazis were big on wars of conquest and genocide.


What nations did the Confederates conquer? What peoples did they commit genocide on?


Or, instead of it being a good analogy, was it just a buzz word that you shit out of your face anus?

Uh black people.

Really? Germany, after the Nazis genocides, has ZERO POINT TWO PERCENT, reporting as Jewish.


America, after the Confederacy, has over TWELVE percentage black population.


Do you even know what the word "genocide" means? Or is it just a buzzword to you, to use to smear people you hate?

Do you understand the crimes and inhumanity that was done by the Confederacy.

Do you understand the fucking stupidity of a Nazi analogy, and pretending that 12 percent is the same as fucking ZERO POINT TWO percent?


I mean, I was talking to RW. He is the fucking moron that made that comparison, and stood by it. And that is the conversation you jumped into. If you want to comment on his fucking stupid post, then address his fucking stupid post.



I am discussing the rest of this issue, in the rest of this thread. THIS bit, is about the stupid shit you people say, and me calling you on it.


If you don't want to discuss how fucking stupid you libs are, when you just use buzz words, with no understanding of what the words actually mean, because you are fucking retarded,

THEN DON'T.

The Confederacy was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany

That's sort of a stupid statement. The Confederacy didn't have Socialized Medicine, Gun Control or Genocide- the 3 pillars of national Socialism.

 

[Nostra]

The "treason" such as it was, was long ago forgiven. It is not credible that you don't know this, or even care about it.

They have long ago, been readmitted to the Union and are now honored as part of the larger American heritage and culture.

Indeed it was, and indeed it was long ago. Which has ZERO to do with a propaganda drive subsequently blanketed over the land to redefine what was behind the conflict it in the first place.

Nice try, deflector shields fail.

So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?


What gives you the right to attack this culture?


Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

What is wrong with people who would want to remember that sort of heritage? Hundreds of years of history and they want to be remembered for starting and losing a war for one of the worst reasons anyone ever fought for.

So, generations of good southern Americans, and you want to define them by one loser?



Hey, that's cool.


If I get to define you by this guy.

What you and others on the right fail to understand – likely willfully – is that these monuments were created not to recognize ‘generations of good southern Americans’; rather, they were created long after the end of the ‘civil’ War to codify the fear, racism, and hate used to intimidate and control ‘uppity’ black Americans during the turn of the last century – monuments intended to foster Jim Crow, Black Codes, segregation, and lynching.

Jim Crow, Black Codes, segregation, and lynching......ahhhh, more of the Dimwinger Party legacy.

 

[Correll]

The "treason" such as it was, was long ago forgiven. It is not credible that you don't know this, or even care about it.

They have long ago, been readmitted to the Union and are now honored as part of the larger American heritage and culture.

Indeed it was, and indeed it was long ago. Which has ZERO to do with a propaganda drive subsequently blanketed over the land to redefine what was behind the conflict it in the first place.

Nice try, deflector shields fail.

So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?


What gives you the right to attack this culture?


Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

What is wrong with people who would want to remember that sort of heritage? Hundreds of years of history and they want to be remembered for starting and losing a war for one of the worst reasons anyone ever fought for.

So, generations of good southern Americans, and you want to define them by one loser?



Hey, that's cool.


If I get to define you by this guy.

What you and others on the right fail to understand – likely willfully – is that these monuments were created not to recognize ‘generations of good southern Americans’; rather, they were created long after the end of the ‘civil’ War to codify the fear, racism, and hate used to intimidate and control ‘uppity’ black Americans during the turn of the last century – monuments intended to foster Jim Crow, Black Codes, segregation, and lynching.

I've heard that claim made. Seeing as how they were erected, during the early days of Jim Crow, I find it hard to credit that the racist of that day, felt that a couple of status in the park, were needed to let blacks know to be afraid.


Funny you should specifically mention lynching. Yes, if black people are regularly being MURDERED by white supremacists death squads, I think the message of fear is getting conveyed and received just fine.


Plenty of room left over, for some DAUGHTERS to put up some statues to legitimately honor their dead Fathers.

 

[Correll]

The Confederacy was more about maintaining slavery than noble Generals on horseback

True.

The focus on the impressive military valor of the Confederate Army, instead of the less noble cause of the war, is the type of thing an healthy society does, when looking at itself.


So, RW, what other cultures, do you attack like this?

Attack a culture dedicated to maintaining slavery?
Yes

Are you pretending to be too stupid to understand a simple question, or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Your question is absurd
Befitting of a poster who supports the institution of slavery and wants to erect monuments to a slave society

Monuments to Washington and Jefferson are the same, as those men had slaves.

Should the Washington monument be trashed or moved? How about moving it to one of the strip properties in Vegas on to private property, like they did with the Statue of Liberty?

Their time will come. Give it a few years. And by few, I really do mean a few. It will be sooner than you think, if people like RW have their way.

 

[Nostra]

What do Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, New Jersey and the capital of the Union, Washington DC all have in common?

Anyone know? Any guesses?

All were slave states/slaveholders from the North during the Civil War.

Our resident history illiterate Dimwingers think slavery was the only issue of the Civil War.

 

[bodecea]

Indeed it was, and indeed it was long ago. Which has ZERO to do with a propaganda drive subsequently blanketed over the land to redefine what was behind the conflict it in the first place.

Nice try, deflector shields fail.

So, what other groups, do you fight with them, over their heritage?


What gives you the right to attack this culture?


Do you realize that your actions, reveal that the concept of multiculturalism has completely failed?

Why would I accept a culture that enslaved, maimed, raped, lynched and murdered my ancestors.

Because otherwise, this nation is over. And the sooner you admit that you have no plan to live in peace with your fellow citizens, the sooner we can work on what to do about that.


All I am asking is that your side stop with the lies.

We live in peace now, I don't need to see statues and honor those who harmed black folks to do that.

What did I lie about?

You're a scholar and a Gentleman - But I suspect your knowledge of African American History is limited to what Big Brother has drilled into your head for the purpose of keeping you on the plantation. Do you know who the first slave holder in USA was ... a Black Man ... do you know that the Roots saga [Alex Haley] is pure fiction ... do you that slavers did not go ashore & capture Africans - too risky, they bought them mostly from moslems --- who still practice slavery today. Do you know the story of whipped William and how he was used to rile up Northern whites to fight against the south ? So far as the statues go --- I don't really care - that's just Big Brother trying to create issues to keep us at each others throats

The first slave holder in America (not the U.S. yet) was John Rolfe in Jamestown....show us that he was a black man. And by the time the U.S. was created in 1776, there were hundreds if not thousands of slaveholders......how do YOU determine which one was "the first"? Eh?

 

[Pogo]

The Confederacy was more about maintaining slavery than noble Generals on horseback

True.

The focus on the impressive military valor of the Confederate Army, instead of the less noble cause of the war, is the type of thing an healthy society does, when looking at itself.

So, RW, what other cultures, do you attack like this?

Attack a culture dedicated to maintaining slavery?
Yes

Are you pretending to be too stupid to understand a simple question, or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Your question is absurd
Befitting of a poster who supports the institution of slavery and wants to erect monuments to a slave society

Monuments to Washington and Jefferson are the same, as those men had slaves.

Should the Washington monument be trashed or moved? How about moving it to one of the strip properties in Vegas on to private property, like they did with the Statue of Liberty?

If you could, y'know, go ahead and essplain to the class what the FUCK either Washington or Jefferson had to do with a Cult of the Lost Cause that didn't even begin until half a century after the latter's death and thereby defied the entire concept of Linear Time, that'd be great.

 

[bodecea]

What do Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, New Jersey and the capital of the Union, Washington DC all have in common?

Anyone know? Any guesses?

All were slave states/slaveholders from the North during the Civil War.

Our resident history illiterate Dimwingers think slavery was the only issue of the Civil War.

New Jersey?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

What's good about folks who raped, maimed, bombed, tortured, lynched, Murdered and denied another group of people basic human rights based on the color of their skin.

Well, during WWII, they helped save the world from Nazis. So there is that.



You filthy crackhead.

So they saved the world from Nazis, but back home they hated their fellow Americans because they had a different skin color. Smfh.

I have no idea of the racial views of the southern troopers of WWII. I can speak to those of the North, at least the ones I knew personally growing up.


You asked a question and I answered it. Do you have something to say in response, or is this where you admit that you don't give a fuck about the facts of the matter, you just spew hate?

You have no idea of the racial views of folks from the south?

Do you think a system of Jim Crow (legal apartheid) just popped up out of nowhere despite the objections of all of those "southern troopers"??

Do you think black men who also fought for this country in that same world war were lynched and their racist murderers not even convicted despite the objections of all of those "southern troopers"??

You folks really twist yourself into pretzels to defend your confederate fetish

Correct. Support for such programs could have been very high. Or they could have relatively weak majorities. Or they could have been somewhat unpopular, but with a strongly motivated minority supporting them against a less motivated majority.


I don't know. I've never looked into the support that policy had at that time period, historically.


But regardless, I was asked something good about Southern Whites, and I gave one example, ie they helped a lot, in defeating HItler and the Nazis.


Do you want to address that fact, or are you just here to bog the thread down in mindless partisan race baiting pap?

Still playing dumb huh??

Ok....let's say there was a policy in the south that made it legal for black folks to go around and lynch and murder white women -- for no other reason than them being white women....they even nick name the policy Jane Crow...and on the rare occasion that someone is arrested for it -- the legal system insures that person gets off...

Obviously, it won't take a genius to deduce that most of the south would be against that.....

However, that is EXACTLY what the policy was in the south in regards to black men women and children-- that you some how claim you don't know much about....

Do you think this man would blow up a church killing four beautiful little girls and not expect legal punishment because he thought the white supremacist policy of Jim Crow wasn't popular??

 

[Polishprince]

True.

The focus on the impressive military valor of the Confederate Army, instead of the less noble cause of the war, is the type of thing an healthy society does, when looking at itself.

So, RW, what other cultures, do you attack like this?

Attack a culture dedicated to maintaining slavery?
Yes

Are you pretending to be too stupid to understand a simple question, or are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Your question is absurd
Befitting of a poster who supports the institution of slavery and wants to erect monuments to a slave society

Monuments to Washington and Jefferson are the same, as those men had slaves.

Should the Washington monument be trashed or moved? How about moving it to one of the strip properties in Vegas on to private property, like they did with the Statue of Liberty?

If you could, y'know, go ahead and essplain to the class what the FUCK either Washington or Jefferson had to do with a Cult of the Lost Cause that didn't even begin until half a century after the latter's death and thereby defied the entire concept of Linear Time, that'd be great.

You don't get it , Pogo.

This is about Slavery. Not just the War of Northern Aggression in the 1860's.

And Washington and Tommy Jeff were both slave owners. And that just isn't right.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Since 40% of the Confederacy was in slavery......

Shouldn’t 40% of Confederate statues depict slaves?

Now count how many of the Confederate Statues, celebrate slavery, and I'll be happy to see you match that number with statues about slaves. God. There are other stories you boring fucker.

The Confederacy was more about maintaining slavery than noble Generals on horseback

True.

In fact, there was nothing noble about ‘confederate’ generals and leaders in any regard – they were traitors, war criminals, and purveyors of slavery.

Lee actually pursued a policy where captured freedmen were returned to slavery; he and the other ‘confederate’ generals were in fact reprehensible and repugnant – in no manner deserving of commemoration.

 

[Nostra]

What do Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, New Jersey and the capital of the Union, Washington DC all have in common?

Anyone know? Any guesses?

All were slave states/slaveholders from the North during the Civil War.

Our resident history illiterate Dimwingers think slavery was the only issue of the Civil War.

New Jersey?

Slavery in New Jersey

 

[Polishprince]

Well, during WWII, they helped save the world from Nazis. So there is that.



You filthy crackhead.

So they saved the world from Nazis, but back home they hated their fellow Americans because they had a different skin color. Smfh.

I have no idea of the racial views of the southern troopers of WWII. I can speak to those of the North, at least the ones I knew personally growing up.


You asked a question and I answered it. Do you have something to say in response, or is this where you admit that you don't give a fuck about the facts of the matter, you just spew hate?

You have no idea of the racial views of folks from the south?

Do you think a system of Jim Crow (legal apartheid) just popped up out of nowhere despite the objections of all of those "southern troopers"??

Do you think black men who also fought for this country in that same world war were lynched and their racist murderers not even convicted despite the objections of all of those "southern troopers"??

You folks really twist yourself into pretzels to defend your confederate fetish

Correct. Support for such programs could have been very high. Or they could have relatively weak majorities. Or they could have been somewhat unpopular, but with a strongly motivated minority supporting them against a less motivated majority.


I don't know. I've never looked into the support that policy had at that time period, historically.


But regardless, I was asked something good about Southern Whites, and I gave one example, ie they helped a lot, in defeating HItler and the Nazis.


Do you want to address that fact, or are you just here to bog the thread down in mindless partisan race baiting pap?

Still playing dumb huh??

Ok....let's say there was a policy in the south that made it legal for black folks to go around and lynch and murder white women -- for no other reason than them being white women....they even nick name the policy Jane Crow...and on the rare occasion that someone is arrested for it -- the legal system insures that person gets off...

Obviously, it won't take a genius to deduce that most of the south would be against that.....

However, that is EXACTLY what the policy was in the south in regards to black men women and children-- that you some how claim you don't know much about....

Do you think this man would blow up a church killing four beautiful little girls and not expect legal punishment because he thought the white supremacist policy of Jim Crow wasn't popular??
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How do you know that suspect didn't expect punishment? He was probably a liberal, at the point in time the crime was committed, Alabama was solidly leftist