Congress threatens to jail those who don't comply with subpoenas

[Billy_Bob]

If DEAMON-RATS would stop lying and making shit up to try and impeach him...

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

Trump has the right to see all evidence the House collects. ALL OF IT! Not just the stuff they want us to see and this is why the Judiciary Committee is supposed to be doing this. Schiff is using his position on the intelligence committee to hide the evidence found from sight so only the stuff they want us to see is let out. and that is the violation of DUE PROCESS.

You need to read the Constitution.

LOL..

I have and your interpretation is wrong! The precedent tells us I am right..

 

[Superbadbrutha]

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

Trump has the right to see all evidence the House collects. ALL OF IT! Not just the stuff they want us to see and this is why the Judiciary Committee is supposed to be doing this. Schiff is using his position on the intelligence committee to hide the evidence found from sight so only the stuff they want us to see is let out. and that is the violation of DUE PROCESS.

You need to read the Constitution.

LOL..

I have and your interpretation is wrong! The precedent tells us I am right..

Explain.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If Rump would stop using his Position to prevent the "Due Process" then I would agree. But he constantly blocks it. If a private citizens were to act like that, they would be sitting in prison for the next 4 lifetimes.

If DEAMON-RATS would stop lying and making shit up to try and impeach him...

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

Trump has the right to see all evidence the House collects. ALL OF IT! Not just the stuff they want us to see and this is why the Judiciary Committee is supposed to be doing this. Schiff is using his position on the intelligence committee to hide the evidence found from sight so only the stuff they want us to see is let out. and that is the violation of DUE PROCESS.

Put it into prospective like it was a normal Legal Process. Does the Police have to divulge all information to the accused during the investigation? Does the DA have to turn over his entire file over to your lawyer during the investigation? Where they are right now is like the Police and the DA investigating. It hasn't reached the point of Disclosure and Due Process yet. The actual Trial is by the Senate and that is where Disclosure and Due Process comes into being. And the sooner Rump allows it to reach that point the better off he is going to be. Had cooperated 2 years ago, it would have fizzled and gone away. But he decided to obstruct it and then compound it over and over.

I have never seen a President working so hard to not be re-elected as this one. But, then again, he worked just as hard not to be elected in the first place. Guess he's using the same playbook. If he loses in 2020, it's because he threw it away not because of anything the Democrats have done. Stand up, be a man. take it on the chin. Walk erect.

 

[j-mac]

ALL AMERICANS ARE AFFORDED DUE PROCESS! You really are an ignorant fool.. Why do you demand Trump have no rights?

If Rump would stop using his Position to prevent the "Due Process" then I would agree. But he constantly blocks it. If a private citizens were to act like that, they would be sitting in prison for the next 4 lifetimes.

If DEAMON-RATS would stop lying and making shit up to try and impeach him...

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

This is simply untrue...

‘The House of Representatives . . . shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

It’s right there in black-and-white: In article I, section 2, clause 5, our Constitution vests the entirety of the power to call for removal of the president of the United States in a single body — the House.

Not in the Speaker of the House. In the House of Representatives. The institution, not one of its members.

To be sure, Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a very powerful government official: second in the line of succession to the presidency; arguably, the most powerful member of Congress. She wields decisive influence on the business of her chamber. She even has the power to induce the House to vote on whether to conduct an impeachment inquiry.

But she does not have the power to impeach on her own.

In the end, Speaker Pelosi is just one member, a representative elected biannually by one district (in her case, the 12th district of California, centered in San Francisco and not particularly representative of the nation at large). Sure, she enjoys primus inter pares status because she is chosen by a majority of the House’s 435 members. But like each of those other members, her vote counts as just one — in a body that generally requires 218 votes to get the important things done.'

Trump Impeachment Inquiry: House Must Vote or It’s Just a Democratic Stunt | National Review

By the by, you are aware that at least part of the reasoning behind not allowing a vote to start a formal impeachment investigation, is because that would allow for Republican members to also subpeona potential witnesses, and the Democrats just can't have that with their lynching....

So, precedent be damned, due process be damned, all that matters is that they get Trump....is that about right?

 

[j-mac]

If DEAMON-RATS would stop lying and making shit up to try and impeach him...

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

Trump has the right to see all evidence the House collects. ALL OF IT! Not just the stuff they want us to see and this is why the Judiciary Committee is supposed to be doing this. Schiff is using his position on the intelligence committee to hide the evidence found from sight so only the stuff they want us to see is let out. and that is the violation of DUE PROCESS.

Put it into prospective like it was a normal Legal Process. Does the Police have to divulge all information to the accused during the investigation? Does the DA have to turn over his entire file over to your lawyer during the investigation? Where they are right now is like the Police and the DA investigating. It hasn't reached the point of Disclosure and Due Process yet. The actual Trial is by the Senate and that is where Disclosure and Due Process comes into being. And the sooner Rump allows it to reach that point the better off he is going to be. Had cooperated 2 years ago, it would have fizzled and gone away. But he decided to obstruct it and then compound it over and over.

I have never seen a President working so hard to not be re-elected as this one. But, then again, he worked just as hard not to be elected in the first place. Guess he's using the same playbook. If he loses in 2020, it's because he threw it away not because of anything the Democrats have done. Stand up, be a man. take it on the chin. Walk erect.

Using your analogy, which is wrong btw, but let's just say for the sake of argument that this is like the investigative stage of a criminal investigation...That being the case it is also the right of the accused in these cases NOT to cooperate with investigators too, and that is NOT obstruction....

You people are making the charge, now you have to prove it....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Conservatives are as ignorant as they are dishonest.

Contempt of Congress

Congress has the authority to hold a person in contempt if the person's conduct or action obstructs the proceedings of Congress or, more usually, an inquiry by a committee of Congress.

Contempt of Congress

 

[Crepitus]

This is definitely uncharted territory for congress. But once you jail someone, then they have a right to an attorney.

Tlaib says Democrats have discussed detaining White House officials who don't testify

Jailing someone for not complying with a subpoena issued from an illegal investigation. Oh yea, this will be fun.

They should.

But they can't. The DOJ is who would detain them and it's currently being piloted by a traitor.

 

[Aletheia4u]

They don't have to attend if they have evidence that the hearings are frivolous. If the courts didn't entered the transcripts as evidence. Then it is a hoax. They cannot say that the transcripts are a hoax without any proof backing up their story. They just called public officials of being liars without any proof.

https://www.quora.com/How-is-it-tha...can-congress-take-when-they-ignore-a-subpoena

 

[Aletheia4u]

But to me, that it sounds as if the Dems are trying to character assassinating those that are investigating them. To make it seems like the Republicans are slinging mud at them, just to prevent the public from believing the republican's side of the story but then they could be trying to reach out to the international community. So that they will not interfere when the Dems sends the U.N. troops to takeover this country.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I understand the difference entirely. That wasn't my point. Clearly you aren't that retarded.....are you?

Sure do wish you would stop comparing some of these people with those that are slower than others. It's down right insulting to people that are legally classes as Retarded, idiots, morons. They have medical conditions that excuse them and oftentimes, medication can help them appear normal. But being stupid has no explanation nor cure and there isn't enough medication in the world to compensate for that.

Guess how many fucks I give

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If Rump would stop using his Position to prevent the "Due Process" then I would agree. But he constantly blocks it. If a private citizens were to act like that, they would be sitting in prison for the next 4 lifetimes.

If DEAMON-RATS would stop lying and making shit up to try and impeach him...

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

This is simply untrue...

‘The House of Representatives . . . shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.”

It’s right there in black-and-white: In article I, section 2, clause 5, our Constitution vests the entirety of the power to call for removal of the president of the United States in a single body — the House.

Not in the Speaker of the House. In the House of Representatives. The institution, not one of its members.

To be sure, Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a very powerful government official: second in the line of succession to the presidency; arguably, the most powerful member of Congress. She wields decisive influence on the business of her chamber. She even has the power to induce the House to vote on whether to conduct an impeachment inquiry.

But she does not have the power to impeach on her own.

In the end, Speaker Pelosi is just one member, a representative elected biannually by one district (in her case, the 12th district of California, centered in San Francisco and not particularly representative of the nation at large). Sure, she enjoys primus inter pares status because she is chosen by a majority of the House’s 435 members. But like each of those other members, her vote counts as just one — in a body that generally requires 218 votes to get the important things done.'

Trump Impeachment Inquiry: House Must Vote or It’s Just a Democratic Stunt | National Review

By the by, you are aware that at least part of the reasoning behind not allowing a vote to start a formal impeachment investigation, is because that would allow for Republican members to also subpeona potential witnesses, and the Democrats just can't have that with their lynching....

So, precedent be damned, due process be damned, all that matters is that they get Trump....is that about right?

It would only mean that the charges would all be made public. Simple as that. And yes, the Republican House will have the chance to contest it at that time. But Rump and his band of merry Criminals are not afforded with that right until it goes to the Senate.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

But to me, that it sounds as if the Dems are trying to character assassinating those that are investigating them. To make it seems like the Republicans are slinging mud at them, just to prevent the public from believing the republican's side of the story but then they could be trying to reach out to the international community. So that they will not interfere when the Dems sends the U.N. troops to takeover this country.

Oh, Please. My side hurts on this one. You really need to write for a late night talk show.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I understand the difference entirely. That wasn't my point. Clearly you aren't that retarded.....are you?

Sure do wish you would stop comparing some of these people with those that are slower than others. It's down right insulting to people that are legally classes as Retarded, idiots, morons. They have medical conditions that excuse them and oftentimes, medication can help them appear normal. But being stupid has no explanation nor cure and there isn't enough medication in the world to compensate for that.

Guess how many fucks I give

No Medicine for you then.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Sixth Amendment

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him"

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The longer this goes on, the more crap comes out. Hell, the more Rump keeps going off on a deep end. Had he allowed it to go in the first place and completely cooperated, they really didn't have enough for impeachment. Not even close. But Rump became that Gift that keeps on Giving. Now they have more than enough and he gives them more each day. If I had a client like Rump I would have him locked in a closet, handcuffed and gagged until after the trial.

This whole thing is improper from the begining...If they were to do this properly then a vote would have been taken on the house floor, then if passed, Trump would have the right to subpeona witnesses, and defend himself...That's what Due Process calls for...Until then it is just a mob...

Rump has the right to do this under the Senates part. The Impeachment isn't part of the Trial. It's the official announcement of charges. When the DA is gathering is portfolio on you you don't get the right to even be made aware of everything in that folder until the actual trial. The real Trial happens with the Senate where the Disclosure Laws do apply along with all the other things you keep bring up. You seem to want to magically give Rump all these extraordinary benefits that no else seems to get. And that sense of entitlement is pretty much what's gotten him where he is right now.

Trump has the right to see all evidence the House collects. ALL OF IT! Not just the stuff they want us to see and this is why the Judiciary Committee is supposed to be doing this. Schiff is using his position on the intelligence committee to hide the evidence found from sight so only the stuff they want us to see is let out. and that is the violation of DUE PROCESS.

Put it into prospective like it was a normal Legal Process. Does the Police have to divulge all information to the accused during the investigation? Does the DA have to turn over his entire file over to your lawyer during the investigation? Where they are right now is like the Police and the DA investigating. It hasn't reached the point of Disclosure and Due Process yet. The actual Trial is by the Senate and that is where Disclosure and Due Process comes into being. And the sooner Rump allows it to reach that point the better off he is going to be. Had cooperated 2 years ago, it would have fizzled and gone away. But he decided to obstruct it and then compound it over and over.

I have never seen a President working so hard to not be re-elected as this one. But, then again, he worked just as hard not to be elected in the first place. Guess he's using the same playbook. If he loses in 2020, it's because he threw it away not because of anything the Democrats have done. Stand up, be a man. take it on the chin. Walk erect.

Using your analogy, which is wrong btw, but let's just say for the sake of argument that this is like the investigative stage of a criminal investigation...That being the case it is also the right of the accused in these cases NOT to cooperate with investigators too, and that is NOT obstruction....

You people are making the charge, now you have to prove it....

That might be true if it weren't for that pesky little law called Obstruction of Justice and Conspiracy. And you are right, the Accused does not have to cooperate but others do. And to instruct others not to cooperate and they follow that "Advice" makes them liable for the Obstruction of Justice and Conspiracy charges which can be easily proven. While Rump may not be bagged for that, himself, his merry band of criminals will be. And that is why so many are rolling over.

As the President, Rump gets a whole new set of rules. And, I know you think he doesn't have any rules, but he is barred by law to use his office for his own personal gain. That includes obstructing any investigation into him or his actions. He's protected against prosecution as long as he's President but what an Impeachment Trial is all about is to whether he remains President or not. If he is removed from office, all the charges can be or might be totaled up by the next President's Justice Department and Rump may be in serious trouble. Rump had better damn well pray that Biden doesn't become President in 2021. The way Rump has treated Biden, if I were Biden, Rump would be behind bars so fast and so long that you would have plenty of time to forget his name. What Rump doesn't understand is, be careful how you treat your possible replacement because you will be treated at least as unfairly as you treated them. It also WILL happen in 2024 as well so the day of reckoning is coming. We just don't know the exact date.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Sixth Amendment

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him"

Yes, in the event of a Trial, you do have that right. But when your accuser is threatened with loss of life then they can be submitted in such a way that their identity is hidden. And any questions by the Defense to uncover exactly who that person really is will get the Defense Attorney in Prison fast. It can be done by Electronic Means or even Disguises. But you do have the right to confront that accuser. In this case, it's going to be anon because there is reason enough to believe that their life and livelihood have been seriously threatened. When you are dealing with a Mobsters such as Rump then even the US Marshals might have to relocate that person in a Witness Protection Program. You Rumpsters are nothing more than minor Mob Soldiers at this point.

 

[SomeDudeUDunno]

This is definitely uncharted territory for congress. But once you jail someone, then they have a right to an attorney.

Tlaib says Democrats have discussed detaining White House officials who don't testify

Jailing someone for not complying with a subpoena issued from an illegal investigation. Oh yea, this will be fun.

Democrats are treasonous scum nowadays.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Sixth Amendment

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him"

Yes, in the event of a Trial, you do have that right. But when your accuser is threatened with loss of life then they can be submitted in such a way that their identity is hidden. And any questions by the Defense to uncover exactly who that person really is will get the Defense Attorney in Prison fast. It can be done by Electronic Means or even Disguises. But you do have the right to confront that accuser. In this case, it's going to be anon because there is reason enough to believe that their life and livelihood have been seriously threatened. When you are dealing with a Mobsters such as Rump then even the US Marshals might have to relocate that person in a Witness Protection Program. You Rumpsters are nothing more than minor Mob Soldiers at this point.

Nope. Graham already said get this vote on so he can subpoena this accuser to testify in front of the world. They have no right to remain anon.

If they have so much evidence against this president and they are so sure of themselves, why is the entire thing going on behind closed doors in secret?

Love him or hate him at least Gingrich gave Clinton a fair shot with a real vote and a real chance to defend himself.

 

[Dick Foster]

This is definitely uncharted territory for congress. But once you jail someone, then they have a right to an attorney.

Tlaib says Democrats have discussed detaining White House officials who don't testify

Jailing someone for not complying with a subpoena issued from an illegal investigation. Oh yea, this will be fun.

Congress can't jail anyone. Congress may write law but they dont have the ability to enfore it. Enforcement is the administration's job.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Sixth Amendment

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him"

Yes, in the event of a Trial, you do have that right. But when your accuser is threatened with loss of life then they can be submitted in such a way that their identity is hidden. And any questions by the Defense to uncover exactly who that person really is will get the Defense Attorney in Prison fast. It can be done by Electronic Means or even Disguises. But you do have the right to confront that accuser. In this case, it's going to be anon because there is reason enough to believe that their life and livelihood have been seriously threatened. When you are dealing with a Mobsters such as Rump then even the US Marshals might have to relocate that person in a Witness Protection Program. You Rumpsters are nothing more than minor Mob Soldiers at this point.

Nope. Graham already said get this vote on so he can subpoena this accuser to testify in front of the world. They have no right to remain anon.

If they have so much evidence against this president and they are so sure of themselves, why is the entire thing going on behind closed doors in secret?

Love him or hate him at least Gingrich gave Clinton a fair shot with a real vote and a real chance to defend himself.

It was much simpler with Clinton. Clinton never claimed he didn't lie (sort of) to the Grand Jury. the only question became, what was the world "IS" meaning. And it was downright comical all the way. It's tough to convict a President when you are laughing so hard. The whole thing ended up with the Levity of a Men's Locker Room Joke.

Rump just keep denying everything and then keep trying to cover it up by doing more illegal things to try and make us all look the other way. There is nothing humorous about any of this. And Rump keeps going and going. About the time you think you have all the information, Rump does something else. Yes, Rump. The Gift that keeps on Giving.