Congress threatens to jail those who don't comply with subpoenas

[Billy_Bob]

Placing this in what would be a court of law let's take a look at it.

House Inquiry = Gathering Information and Evidence
There are laws against not cooperating with the Police in an investigation or lying to the Police to evade prosecution. And it IS punishable by law and can involve both fines and imprisonment.

House Impeachment = Grand Jury
This hasn't happened yet. Right now, the House is operating much like the investigating Branch of a DAs office. But when they think they have a solid enough case, they can become what is essentially a Grand Jury and vote to make the charges formal.

Senate Impeachment Vote = Part of the Trial
Not the whole trial. The Senate can vote to condemn the President or drop all or part of all charges and elect not to remove from office. They aren't voting to impeach. That's already been done. They are voting for removal of office. The Senate cannot do anything else. It's either remove or not remove a President from Office. But they do confirm or deny the charges from the House.

Judicial Criminal Trial = The rest of the Trial
Once the President is removed or has resigned, the new President's Judicial Department has a lot of leeway as does the President. In Nixon's case, he was pardoned by Ford but he had half of his retirement taken and was stripped of his Law License in X number of states along with a fine. In Clinton's case, he was fined 60,000 dollars, lost his legal license in X number of states for 5 years in a deal with the new incoming President Bush, Jr. Even though neither were convicted by the Senate (neither would have been either) the Civil side was not satisfied and the Legal Boards wanted their pound of flesh. Both could have been tried after they left office without those pardons. And both pretty much got what they would have got had they been tried openly as civilians. The only difference was, the Nation wasn't put through any more embarrassment.

So, even after the Removal from Office, it's not done. Rump had better beware of how he treats the "Other Side". There is a chance (no matter how remote you might believe that may be) that he will be at their mercy (whether it is in 2021 or 2025). After viewing his actions, I firmly believe he thinks he will continue to win every battle for the rest of his life and die in office. That may be true. But also remember, most Narcissists die by their own hands or in the case of a violent Dictator, they......... I believe we need to have a full time Suicide Watch on Rump. If you think a failed Impeachment looks bad on the Nation, ever wonder what a Presidential Suicide would look like?

Daryl is so far off base.. none of this is relevant in an impeachment inquiry..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

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Mark Levin wasn’t one of the founding fathers….sorry. You failed. Laughably.

What an ignorant little twat!

Levin explains it in great detail, why your an ignorant fool and why what democrats are doing is illegal and depriving Trump of his right to a competent defense ..

You said the constitution afforded him “due process”….still waiting for the quote from the Constitution to back that up.

That you’ve been reduced to impotently calling people names is just a continuation of last evening’s proceedings I presume.

ALL AMERICANS ARE AFFORDED DUE PROCESS! You really are an ignorant fool.. Why do you demand Trump have no rights?

 

[candycorn]

Just explaining the difference between lying while under oath and the pains and penalties of perjury and lying in other settings. You don’t seem to know the difference.

I understand the difference entirely. That wasn't my point. Clearly you aren't that retarded.....are you?

Here is your quote showing you don’t know the difference…

"Why? They lie to us every day and none of them get punished for it"

 

[candycorn]

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

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Mark Levin wasn’t one of the founding fathers….sorry. You failed. Laughably.

What an ignorant little twat!

Levin explains it in great detail, why your an ignorant fool and why what democrats are doing is illegal and depriving Trump of his right to a competent defense ..

You said the constitution afforded him “due process”….still waiting for the quote from the Constitution to back that up.

That you’ve been reduced to impotently calling people names is just a continuation of last evening’s proceedings I presume.

ALL AMERICANS ARE AFFORDED DUE PROCESS! You really are an ignorant fool.. Why do you demand Trump have no rights?

Again, quote the constitution….

Do you not know what it says?

 

[Rustic]

This is definitely uncharted territory for congress. But once you jail someone, then they have a right to an attorney.

Tlaib says Democrats have discussed detaining White House officials who don't testify

Jailing someone for not complying with a subpoena issued from an illegal investigation. Oh yea, this will be fun.

Lol
Ain’t socialism/communism great?

 

[j-mac]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Mark Levin Audio Rewind - 10/9/19 - Mark Levin Audio Rewind - Omny.fm

Mark Levin wasn’t one of the founding fathers….sorry. You failed. Laughably.

What an ignorant little twat!

Levin explains it in great detail, why your an ignorant fool and why what democrats are doing is illegal and depriving Trump of his right to a competent defense ..

You said the constitution afforded him “due process”….still waiting for the quote from the Constitution to back that up.

That you’ve been reduced to impotently calling people names is just a continuation of last evening’s proceedings I presume.

"The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a due process clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the due process clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[1] "

Due Process Clause - Wikipedia

Did you not know this?

 

[Rustic]

I’m not sure why this isn’t SOP. Lying to Congress should be tantamount to perjury.

Why? They lie to us every day and none of them get punished for it

Like I’ve always said there’s nothing more corrupt than career politicians/deep state... fact

 

[Rustic]

I’m not sure why this isn’t SOP. Lying to Congress should be tantamount to perjury.

Why? They lie to us every day and none of them get punished for it

Lying under oath is a bit different than political spin. You can’t be this retarded. Can you?

The pot calling the kettle black? LOL

 

[Rustic]

I’m not sure why this isn’t SOP. Lying to Congress should be tantamount to perjury.

Why? They lie to us every day and none of them get punished for it

Lying under oath is a bit different than political spin. You can’t be this retarded. Can you?

Congress is not the judiciary, nor is it a court of law and that doesn't change what I said. Political spin is a just a fancy way of saying lie.

...And they have the credibility of an banana republic

 

[Rustic]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Anything to do with freedom of...

 

[candycorn]

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Mark Levin Audio Rewind - 10/9/19 - Mark Levin Audio Rewind - Omny.fm

Mark Levin wasn’t one of the founding fathers….sorry. You failed. Laughably.

What an ignorant little twat!

Levin explains it in great detail, why your an ignorant fool and why what democrats are doing is illegal and depriving Trump of his right to a competent defense ..

You said the constitution afforded him “due process”….still waiting for the quote from the Constitution to back that up.

That you’ve been reduced to impotently calling people names is just a continuation of last evening’s proceedings I presume.

"The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a due process clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the due process clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[1] "

Due Process Clause - Wikipedia

Did you not know this?

Congress is “administrating justice”? Trump is being denied of life, liberty etc…?

LOL

 

[Rustic]

Isn't abuse of power under color of law fun... Until its you that is slammed into a jail cell for this gross abuse of power.

Well…I don’t foresee my getting subpoenaed by Congress any time soon so I’m not too worried about the jail cell.

As for those who are subpoenaed….They should show up and testify. Congress is a co-equal branch to the Executive and the Judiciary. If you ignore a subpoena from a court…you will be arrested. It should be the same with Congress.

LOL..

They have no legal right to subpoena for the inquiry because it has not been authorized. Everything they are doing today is illegal and thus is fruit of the poisonous tree.

Authorized?

Oh now your going to play the "im' ignorant" card!

Priceless, Has the house VOTED to proceed on the Impeachment inquiry?

No.

But the committee is empaneled and has the authority to subpoena witnesses, documents, etc…

Lol
Depends on what the definition of is, is...

 

[Rustic]

Witnesses are sworn in before giving testimony. They are under oath.

Politicians spinning is much different.

Put another way, lying as a petty tyrant on a message board is one thing, lying to the cops is another…agree?

A lie is a lie whether it's to Congress or to the American people. I find the hypocrisy ironic and the fact that you stand up for it rather sad.

The collective knows best...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Just explaining the difference between lying while under oath and the pains and penalties of perjury and lying in other settings. You don’t seem to know the difference.

I understand the difference entirely. That wasn't my point. Clearly you aren't that retarded.....are you?

Sure do wish you would stop comparing some of these people with those that are slower than others. It's down right insulting to people that are legally classes as Retarded, idiots, morons. They have medical conditions that excuse them and oftentimes, medication can help them appear normal. But being stupid has no explanation nor cure and there isn't enough medication in the world to compensate for that.

 

[theHawk]

This is definitely uncharted territory for congress. But once you jail someone, then they have a right to an attorney.

Tlaib says Democrats have discussed detaining White House officials who don't testify

Jailing someone for not complying with a subpoena issued from an illegal investigation. Oh yea, this will be fun.

I’m not sure why this isn’t SOP. Lying to Congress should be tantamount to perjury.

Isn't abuse of power under color of law fun... Until its you that is slammed into a jail cell for this gross abuse of power.

Well…I don’t foresee my getting subpoenaed by Congress any time soon so I’m not too worried about the jail cell.

As for those who are subpoenaed….They should show up and testify. Congress is a co-equal branch to the Executive and the Judiciary. If you ignore a subpoena from a court…you will be arrested. It should be the same with Congress.

Congress isn’t a court. If someone has done something illegal, refer it to the DoJ and let them question who ever.

Should the executive branch be able to subpoena Congressmen?

 

[Rustic]

A lie is a lie whether it's to Congress or to the American people. I find the hypocrisy ironic and the fact that you stand up for it rather sad.

That part is true.

The penalties while doing it under oath are much more harsh.

Again, you can’t be this retarded….can you?

You're the one who doesn't seem to be grasping my point. Perhaps you should leave the retardation questions for someone else. Besides, I thought it was politically incorrect to call someone a retard. Aren't you being sacrilegious?

Just explaining the difference between lying while under oath and the pains and penalties of perjury and lying in other settings. You don’t seem to know the difference.

An incredibly corrupt congress, The judge and jury? Sounds like socialism/communism to me

 

[Billy_Bob]

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Mark Levin Audio Rewind - 10/9/19 - Mark Levin Audio Rewind - Omny.fm

Mark Levin wasn’t one of the founding fathers….sorry. You failed. Laughably.

What an ignorant little twat!

Levin explains it in great detail, why your an ignorant fool and why what democrats are doing is illegal and depriving Trump of his right to a competent defense ..

You said the constitution afforded him “due process”….still waiting for the quote from the Constitution to back that up.

That you’ve been reduced to impotently calling people names is just a continuation of last evening’s proceedings I presume.

"The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a due process clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the due process clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[1] "

Due Process Clause - Wikipedia

Did you not know this?

She doesn't give a damn. The reason that a vote on impeachment is required is so that both sides have access to all information found. The House is not a one sided grandjury and all of the 64 preceding impeachment inquiries were transparent.

 

[Rustic]

Democrats refuse to give Trump DUE PROCESS afforded him under the US Constitution.. And that is treason!

Quote the constitution that you think is being violated.

Mark Levin Audio Rewind - 10/9/19 - Mark Levin Audio Rewind - Omny.fm

Mark Levin wasn’t one of the founding fathers….sorry. You failed. Laughably.

What an ignorant little twat!

Levin explains it in great detail, why your an ignorant fool and why what democrats are doing is illegal and depriving Trump of his right to a competent defense ..

You said the constitution afforded him “due process”….still waiting for the quote from the Constitution to back that up.

That you’ve been reduced to impotently calling people names is just a continuation of last evening’s proceedings I presume.

Political correctness makes people fucking retarded

 

[candycorn]

This is definitely uncharted territory for congress. But once you jail someone, then they have a right to an attorney.

Tlaib says Democrats have discussed detaining White House officials who don't testify

Jailing someone for not complying with a subpoena issued from an illegal investigation. Oh yea, this will be fun.

I’m not sure why this isn’t SOP. Lying to Congress should be tantamount to perjury.

Isn't abuse of power under color of law fun... Until its you that is slammed into a jail cell for this gross abuse of power.

Well…I don’t foresee my getting subpoenaed by Congress any time soon so I’m not too worried about the jail cell.

As for those who are subpoenaed….They should show up and testify. Congress is a co-equal branch to the Executive and the Judiciary. If you ignore a subpoena from a court…you will be arrested. It should be the same with Congress.

Congress isn’t a court. If someone has done something illegal, refer it to the DoJ and let them question who ever.

Should the executive branch be able to subpoena Congressmen?

The witnesses are under oath.

 

[Rustic]

Just explaining the difference between lying while under oath and the pains and penalties of perjury and lying in other settings. You don’t seem to know the difference.

I understand the difference entirely. That wasn't my point. Clearly you aren't that retarded.....are you?

Sure do wish you would stop comparing some of these people with those that are slower than others. It's down right insulting to people that are legally classes as Retarded, idiots, morons. They have medical conditions that excuse them and oftentimes, medication can help them appear normal. But being stupid has no explanation nor cure and there isn't enough medication in the world to compensate for that.

I know progressives are… LOL